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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 12:55:58 AM   
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ur wrong,....trump's been a quitter via bankruptcy at LEAST 4 times.....and rumors its been 6 times and sued 100's of times for quitting on payments to people & companies who worked their ass off for him while his not having any of his personal fortune in the game to start with.


I don't understand why you have a problem with this. Everybody know most rich people never invest their own money but always leverage. It's like standard rich people procedure. Being able to do that, is exactly how they are able to grow their personal wealth. Being able to convince other people to use their money for you to go into new businesses is seriously..., not something just anybody can do. When they see a genuine sinking ship, it's not quitting to cut their losses and close down the company. Very different to personal bankruptcy.

A business is a not a charity. Your boss who employed you is not obligated to make you as rich as him or assist you in growing your wealth like he is growing his nor is he obligated to make sure that job is always available for you.

I am sure anybody who chose to deal with him went in with their eyes open and free will. Business is alot of gambling too. Being your own boss, you have to trust your own judgement on who you employ and who you trust to run the show. As an investor, you have to trust your own judgement to choose the right investments and be prepared to lose your money if you pump your own money in.

As suppliers, many businesses rise and fall. Many suppliers also need to do their research and choose the companies with good payment history and only deal with them.

In my country, many businesses struggle and close down within a year of new opening. Mostly killed by trying to service an overly high rental. So suppliers always get screwed, but these companies can't help it right, if their business don't take off, but as suppliers, it is also their right to either demand cash upfront on delivery, to protect themselves, or choose not to supply a new company with no track record yet.

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 4:17:11 AM   
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Good Lord, the hoops you jump through to make excuses for the man!

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 4:51:58 AM   
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Maybe she's hoping he'll be looking for an Asian trophy wife after he dumps Melania?

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 5:09:37 AM   
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Capitalism is entirely based on investing money and taking the risk of losing it. Calitalism is supposed to reward the successful and competent, not seperating profits from investment. It was the discorrelation between between competent contribution and reward that brought down communism. Furthermore, leverage ratios of 10-1 and 50-1 (respectively) were primary causes of the Great Depression and Great Recession

Trumps father used 4 different excuses to keep Donald out of Vietnam. He is a draft dodger, and no draft dodger should insult the parents of a fallen soldier

As for your constant implications against Islam, estimates for ISIS troop numbers are between 20,000 and 80,000. There are a little over a billion Muslims on earth. Even if you round troop and terrorist numbers up to a hundred thousand that means that at most only 1 in 10,000 will take drastic action, and most of those troops joined ISIS were threatened at gun point with torture, rape and death of themselves and their family if they didn't join. Additionally, ISIS is NOT a Muslim group. They use meth and opium regularly; intoxicants are forbidden under Islam (there is still debate on tobacco in Islam, but they don't even imbibe alcohol). ISIS troops also accuse Muslims of being not Muslim enough, which making that accusation falsely is one of the biggest sins in Islam. If you are actually a female from Signapore, maybe your anti Islamic and anti Malaysia sentiment comes from your country and Malaysia's civil war that split you two apart. You say you respect Buddhism, so take a moment and reflect on your verbal transgressions and you country's racism toward Malaysians. But don't say anything bad about your country, they might have you imprisoned. Or do they execute for dissent?

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 5:17:20 AM   
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Maybe she's hoping he'll be looking for an Asian trophy wife after he dumps Melania?

Lol, now that is a low blow. I am sure I deserve a man that is not old enough to my grandfather, plus I am very demanding in the bedroom. Trump looks like a man who doesn't enjoy having sex at all and quite a prude about sex. I mean the dude wants pornography banned. Which doesn't really matter to me whether he does it or not, as it doesn't affect me.

But a man who doesn't like porn, is not a man for me. As I like porn!

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 5:24:36 AM   
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Trumps father used 4 different excuses to keep Donald out of Vietnam. He is a draft dodger, and no draft dodger should insult the parents of a fallen soldier

From what i understood. Mr Clinton himself also escaped draft. This draft dodger thingy is not exclusive to Trump. And which past President have served the Military?

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As for your constant implications against Islam, estimates for ISIS troop numbers are between 20,000 and 80,000. There are a little over a billion Muslims on earth. Even if you round troop and terrorist numbers up to a hundred thousand that means that at most only 1 in 10,000 will take drastic action, and most of those troops joined ISIS were threatened at gun point with torture, rape and death of themselves and their family if they didn't join. Additionally, ISIS is NOT a Muslim group. They use meth and opium regularly; intoxicants are forbidden under Islam (there is still debate on tobacco in Islam, but they don't even imbibe alcohol). ISIS troops also accuse Muslims of being not Muslim enough, which making that accusation falsely is one of the biggest sins in Islam. If you are actually a female from Signapore, maybe your anti Islamic and anti Malaysia sentiment comes from your country and Malaysia's civil war that split you two apart. You say you respect Buddhism, so take a moment and reflect on your verbal transgressions and you country's racism toward Malaysians. But don't say anything bad about your country, they might have you imprisoned. Or do they execute for dissent?

You are assuming ISIS is the only Muslim terrorist group out there and the only radical Muslims that exist out the billions of Muslims.

Whole Islamic countries are brutal and oppressive and oppressing women. That's alot more than just ISIS doing it.

They say about 15% of the 1 billion Muslims are radical Muslims. Well, that's about 150 million dangerous Muslims out there isn't it?

I respect Buddhism for Buddha never killing anybody. I can't say the same about Muhammad. A religion that follows a murderer is not a peaceful religion in my eyes.

That's like saying Muslim who eat pork is not a Muslim, in regards to your drug consumption claims. But we got whole countries of Muslims like Kazakhstan who consume Pork as a staple. You gonna say they aren't Muslims? Poor excuse for ISIS not being Muslims.

ISIS ain't the only bad Muslims around but they are more prominent because they promote murder. Other bad Muslims are those who wants to instill Sharia laws into Western nations. Like the Muslims responsible for having 100 illegal Sharia courts in the UK. THOSE are non ISIS Muslims ya gotta worry about too! Because these illegal courts are probably ill treating Muslim women judged in them!

And FACT of the matter is, death penalty is the punishment for people who wants to leave Islam in Malaysia. And you are forced to be a Muslim, just because one of your parents is a Muslim. Not by your choice. You call this hate towards Malaysians. I call this just stating facts that they still have sharia laws. And couples caught hanging out together without a marriage certificate gets arrested and thrown into jail by the religious police. It's still happening today. No hate, just reality. I hang out and get along with Malaysian Muslims, they treat me well, host me well, but I still hate their religion that prosecute woman. I am their client, I pay for their services, so they treat me well. They want my business. When it's business, it's business. But I don't have to like their religion. When it's business, there is no religion involve, just practical, matter of fact, business and good service, they do a good job, I continue to use their services. It's Malaysia, I can't be in Malaysia without dealing with Muslims. And I am dealing with these people realising that ALL of them are Muslims against their will AS LONG as there is death penalty for leaving Islam. Imagine I was in there during Ramadan, and apparently, there is no choice in fasting. The whole country regulates it. So even if you don't want to fast, people will report you and you will get in trouble. You almost have to sneak and hide if you want to eat! All Muslim eateries will close too, as Muslims aren't suppose to eat during the day. They will make it hard for them to find food. And Muslims aren't' allowed to eat at non-halal places. First being Muslims is NOT A CHOICE. Then once a year, they are forced to starve for a month! That is Islam for you!

You call this hate! I call this reality of a life of Malaysian Muslim. Just stating facts!

So my real war is with the ideology of Islam and their Sharia Laws. It would be interesting to see if Malaysia stop making it a crime for Muslims to leave, and see how many Muslims will denounce Islam.




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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 5:39:35 AM   
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You are assuming ISIS is the only Muslim terrorist group out there and the only radical Muslims that exist out the billions of Muslims.

Why not? A lot of the right leaning media seem to believe that all moslem terror groups are automatically members of Isis, even the groups who are at war with them.

As for buddhism, buddhist fascism is just as unpleasant as moslem fascism, and you have examples of that one pretty close to hand as well. Have you not heard of the 969 movement? How about the buddhist police states in Myanmar, Bhutan, and Sri Lanka?

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 5:44:23 AM   
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You are assuming ISIS is the only Muslim terrorist group out there and the only radical Muslims that exist out the billions of Muslims.

Why not? A lot of the right leaning media seem to believe that all moslem terror groups are automatically members of Isis, even the groups who are at war with them.

I do not see any evidence that right leaning media believe all terror groups are ISIS.
But right leaning media often talk about atrocities that Muslims commit towards their own people in their own country, in the name of Islam. They are aware it's not all ISIS.

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 5:54:37 AM   
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As for buddhism, buddhist fascism is just as unpleasant as moslem fascism, and you have examples of that one pretty close to hand as well. Have you not heard of the 969 movement? How about the buddhist police states in Myanmar, Bhutan, and Sri Lanka?

Why do you silly people always like to use this lame excuse?

Buddhist and Christianity has hope for peace because their leader did not kill. So if any buddhist kill, I will ask them, has Buddha ever killed? A buddhist goal is to live like Buddha. Which is quite a miserable life really. And Buddha has not killed. Buddha has not lead wars. Buddha focus on personal suffering and giving up all his earthly desires. They know they are doing wrong. Just like when Christians kill, did Jesus kill? Did he rally people up to lead a war in retaliation against those who were against him? Nope. Instead he surrendered and sacrificed his own life for peace. There is a reason why it's so easy to condemn Christian brutality. Because they are not following the example of their leader.

Now Muslims, Muhammad was a war lord, promoted vengeful killings and overtaking of other people's land. So can you tell a Muslim, "Hey Muhammad would not have done what you do?" But is that true? Muhammad is pure 7th century terrorism. Like THE definition of 7th century terrorism. All Terrorist will tell you, they are simply doing what Muhammed did during his time. Moderate Muslims like to claim it was all done in self-defense. Well Jesus simply allowed himself to be killed, than kill anybody. Muhammad killed others in "self defense" my ass! Anybody who initiate attack to another city in vengeful claiming retaliation, is not a good religious leader to follow, period ! Moderate Muslims can't even see what's wrong with that picture!

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 6:04:51 AM   
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Actually no: islam's founding idiot did raise an army to seize Mecca, but that was largely achieved through intimidation rather than violence. Trying to portray an ageing bigamist and pedophile who spent the first forty years of his life freeloading off his uncle's family and who seemingly only appointed himself a religious leader as it would make for an even easier life as though he was some sort old testament style warrior king over that is one of the stupider and harder to justify pieces of laughable bullshit moslems like to come out with. Any fuckwit with a title and a bit of spare money could raise an army during the dark ages: just look at some of the idiots who took part in the crusades.

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 6:08:05 AM   
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-guide-to-the-conspiracy-theories-about-donald-trump/

A guide to the conspiracy theories about donald trump from CBS

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 6:09:40 AM   
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And for those defending Malaysia should read this! Stop defending countries that abuse women! Speaking out against Nations that oppress freedom of religion and oppresses women is NOT HATE!

Disgusting rapist rape 14 yr old teenage girl and thanks to Islam archaic nonsense. He escapes jail by marrying her!

Activists say such cases are not uncommon in the conservative Muslim-majority country, where sometimes victims' families would rather a girl marry her rapist instead of her name being tarnished in court.


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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 6:11:12 AM   
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And the latest poll out today or was it yessterday...has Clinton in double digits over Trump,
OF course its way to early to be a reliable poll , *grins* but im just puttin it out there.


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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 6:23:47 AM   
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Trumps father used 4 different excuses to keep Donald out of Vietnam. He is a draft dodger, and no draft dodger should insult the parents of a fallen soldier



There are draft-dodgers and there are draft-dodgers. I know a person who was going to enlist during the (very early) days of Vietnam. When the government sent a draft notice, the hair on the back of his neck went up and he refused to go. He replied to the draft notice, telling the selective service board that he didn't feel the country had a right to draft anyone.

This person was in college, at the time and could have applied for (and probably gotten) a deferment (he went on to earn a PhD.), but that wasn't his stance.

He didn't run to Canadia. He didn't go into hiding. He told the government his stance and was prepared for the consequences (had there been any).

I fully support that person's stance and position.

Donald got four (I'll take your word on the quantity) deferments. ANYONE that was lucky enough to be involved in higher education could have gotten one. That's not "cheating". Now, we could debate the validity of deferments for "rich kids", but then, we'd have to talk about a young Rhodes scholar who took at least two deferments to go to a foreign country to protest against the United States and smoke reefer.

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As for your constant implications against Islam, estimates for ISIS troop numbers are between 20,000 and 80,000. There are a little over a billion Muslims on earth. Even if you round troop and terrorist numbers up to a hundred thousand that means that at most only 1 in 10,000 will take drastic action, and most of those troops joined ISIS were threatened at gun point with torture, rape and death of themselves and their family if they didn't join. Additionally, ISIS is NOT a Muslim group. They use meth and opium regularly; intoxicants are forbidden under Islam (there is still debate on tobacco in Islam, but they don't even imbibe alcohol). ISIS troops also accuse Muslims of being not Muslim enough, which making that accusation falsely is one of the biggest sins in Islam. If you are actually a female from Signapore, maybe your anti Islamic and anti Malaysia sentiment comes from your country and Malaysia's civil war that split you two apart. You say you respect Buddhism, so take a moment and reflect on your verbal transgressions and you country's racism toward Malaysians. But don't say anything bad about your country, they might have you imprisoned. Or do they execute for dissent?



Oooooh! Sorry! You either have no experience with or haven't been keeping up with "the Muslim world". Muslim men, when I was growing up, frequently drank beer, recreationally. They smoked cigarettes and in some "sects" of Islam, Opium is a religious tool.

Also, your ISIS scumbags have given their people "dispensations" for years, so that they can "blend into" the Western world.

That said, you can't use some behaviors of one religious group to damn them and some behaviors of another religious group to excuse them. Why? Well, because you run the risk of clouding lines. Especially on these boards where people like to paint with such a broad brush. There are people here that have "held up" the Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK as "shining examples of Christianity". It's tough to argue: "Well, but twue Muslims don't get high ..." in that kind of environment.



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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 9:02:31 AM   
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Ok Greta, name another terrorist group with 10,000 people? But seriously, there is no reason arguing with you anymore. You will go through the craziest mental gymnastics to not question your own beliefs

Many Islamic countries have banned alcohol, and almost every country where alcohol is illegal is Islamic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_alcohol_prohibition

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 9:05:56 AM   
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Ok Greta, name another terrorist group with 10,000 people? But seriously, there is no reason arguing with you anymore. You will go through the craziest mental gymnastics to not question your own beliefs

Taliban, Easy!

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Many Islamic countries have banned alcohol, and almost every country where alcohol is illegal is Islamic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_alcohol_prohibition

I am not saying that alcohol is legal in Islam dude.

Do you know the bible says Christians shouldn't eat pork too? By your definition, then I guess ALL the Christians today aren't Christians cuz they all eat pork!

To me, a Muslim is a person who follows Muhammad as their prophet. If they acknowledge that Muhammad is their God's prophet, they are a Muslim. Whether they don't pray 5 times a day, eat pork, drink alcohol, take drugs, keep a dog, is irrelevant, because MOST religious people can't keep up with all the religious rules anyway! Malaysian Muslims loves dogs and keep dogs. Singaporean Muslims are not allowed to keep dogs as it's against Islam. Dog saliva like pork meat is against Islam. But as someone who grew up around dogs, it's impossible to have a dog as a pet and avoid it's saliva touching you. So I'd also say, an entire whole Muslim country of Malaysia, believes in making a raped 14 yr old marry her rapists, but somehow, ignore the dog Muslim rule, I mean, it doesn't make Malaysians Muslim less Muslims.

Just like I identify Christians as people who believe that Jesus exist and see themselves as his follower but most of them are probably not turning the other cheek! But it doesn't make them less Christian, if they believe in Jesus.

So ISIS is following Prophet Muhammed actions. They are Muslims.


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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 10:00:13 AM   
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From what i understood. Mr Clinton himself also escaped draft. This draft dodger thingy is not exclusive to Trump.


Difference here is that Bill Clinton was not disrespecting the family of a hero on national TV.

Trump equated the sacrifices that people who die while serving with his own sacrifices-his successes in business.

To me, that indicates a disconnection with reality that I really didn't think even Trump was capable of, and the lack of humanity that people have been commenting on for awhile.

He has no idea what service members go through, what they see, what they give up. Them and their families. To him, starting out as a wealthy man and using his father's connections to develop real estate and becoming wealthier while bankrupting other individuals and companies EQUALS getting killed in war, being kept as POW for five years, losing limbs, etc.

I mean, remember, he likes people who don't get caught (his response to McCain's stint as a POW).

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And which past President have served the Military?

Clinton and Obama have no military service. In recent history, they are the only ones.

In total, there have been 14 presidents that had no military service.

Some of those that did serve, did not see combat. They may have served during peacetime or served in the US during wars abroad.

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 10:10:23 AM   
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Just like I identify Christians as people who believe that Jesus exist and see themselves as his follower but most of them are probably not turning the other cheek! But it doesn't make them less Christian, if they believe in Jesus.

Actually it does. If they think that a few swipes from the talmud trump everything that Christ said in the new testament, then they can call themselves whatever the fuck they want, but they are not Christians, and never will be.

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 10:11:22 AM   
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-guide-to-the-conspiracy-theories-about-donald-trump/

A guide to the conspiracy theories about donald trump from CBS

Ooh, one I had not seen yet.
On the other hand, Trump does now have a true die-hard political following, which could turn to an audience and/or consumer base for whatever he does next. To that point, Vanity Fair reported in June that Trump is toying with the idea of creating his own news network. His campaign spokesperson, Hope Hicks, adamantly denied that the mogul was considering anything like that, but with Fox News in the midst of Roger Ailes' chaotic exit, there might be room for a Trump network should he lose in November.

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RE: Serious question.. How long before Trump drops out? - 8/4/2016 10:13:08 AM   
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Actually it does.

Actually it doesn't. All one need do to be a Christian is accept Yeshua bar Yusef as the messiah. That's it that's all.

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