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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/5/2016 8:01:23 PM   
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Indians, Caucasians or Malaysians Greta?

I love how your racism slips out accidentally when you summarize people. You speak nothing but malice towards certain sub groups then spend enormous time claiming you're not racist. Even how you shorten the name of a people you hate. You are an egocentric with a disturbingly small world view

Singapore is so great, since they imprisoned dissenters, oppressed minorities, and supplemented health care and housing to price gouge everything, it's one of the best places to be a wealthy racist. Every government should condone oppression and racism

Rethink your life Greta. Or would they toss you in jail?

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/6/2016 1:19:11 AM   
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The people are repressed by a communist power.
Same for North Korea, except they are broke and can't afford what China is doing.

China was a monarchy and not communist initally, it started from way back. But the fact that they are fuckin rich right now, buying properties all around the world and paying in hard cold cash. 40mil houses in SG just get snap up by them, all paid in hard cold cash like nothing, is not coincidence, how they got rich, because they hunger for it. It's in their DNA. It's no coincidence, even the most oppressive countries to Chinese people, they still rise up and became the richest in those countries. Indonesia was systematically murdering chinese people, because despite all the oppression, they still became Indonesian richest. In any other countries, the race that other country is often trying genocide on are always stuck in poverty as a result of oppression. Chinese people has this track record of rising up, regardless of any environment and how bad the environment is toward them. Because I feel the sufferings of all work and no play started from childhood. They are trained to survive hardships.

I think current state of Chinese people around the world, in all sorts of different environment is evidence. It starts with their unique upbringing that is not really practice in many other race culture. All work and no play starts from childhood. Don't think you can be a 2 yr old and not be filled with 8 hours of home work everyday! Many chinese kids in Singapore, by 2 yr old, are already attending full day school. And then more tuition and work after school. But you don't see Indians, Caucasians or Malays doing that to their kids.

Oligarchs, corrupt to the core are very often very rich. You are going to have to show me where rich individual Chinese citizens are buying up those homes. To my knowledge, they are not allowed.

Otherwise you speak of the Chinese sovereign wealth fund which is funded by govt. and realized on the back of cheap Chinese labor not from the success of China's entrepreneurs innovating their own new widely sold products and who are still usually corrupt and or taxed very heavily.

As for rising up, it is estimated that the Chinese domestic marketplace is approx. the same size as the American population at around 300 million. That leaves over 1 billion people in China who will never 'rise up.' as is exemplified by the suicides among the poor and oppressed labor.

India has had a corrupt capitalist system for decades now and 750 million of them still live in almost abject poverty due to it. There simply is no escaping the conclusion that power corrupts and the top reap the benefits while the bottom majority languish. While education starts earlier, what does it produce ? Just more efficient oppressed labor upon which the elites and powerful get even richer.

It is the the west that only in the last 30 years, begin to struggle with less economic mobility but there's a long way to go before [it] sinks to the level of the east irrespective of the policies you describe.

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/6/2016 3:05:19 AM   
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Indians, Caucasians or Malaysians Greta? I love how your racism slips out accidentally when you summarize people. You speak nothing but malice towards certain sub groups then spend enormous time claiming you're not racist. Even how you shorten the name of a people you hate.

Actually it is your own ignorance not knowing that "Malay" is the correct term for that specific race. And they identify themselves as "Malays" in Singapore, and definitely not as "Malaysians". You can go on facebook and ask any Singaporean if you don't believe.

Malaysian is a Nationality. Malay is the race.

Get some education dude. Go google "Malay". And you owe me an apology for such baseless accusation. I have never used a "racial slur" ever to denigrate any race.

Malays are an ethnic group of Austronesian peoples


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays_(ethnic_group)

You are like the classic example of left wing people telling blatant lies to smear right leaning people with emotional falsehood like this, rather than talk pragmatically about the facts.



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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/6/2016 3:33:03 AM   
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You are going to have to show me where rich individual Chinese citizens are buying up those homes. To my knowledge, they are not allowed.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-11-02/china-s-money-exodus

http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-wealthy-take-over-international-luxury-real-estate-markets-1750034

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/6/2016 4:43:00 AM   
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An economic superpower is not just in production but is also in such voluminous consumption and pay or borrow for it and that too much of the world...depends on it.

So remind me again: if China isn't an economic superpower, how much of your national debt do they control, and how much of the produce for your consumer society are they manufacturing? Would you (or anybody else for that matter) still have a computer industry if Foxconn and their competitors stopped exporting?
I appreciate that it's an embarrassing thing to have to admit, but the consumer society in the 'States is currently dependent on Chinese manufacturing, and will remain so until more of America's manufacturing base is shifted out of that country. Some industries a concerted attempt is being made to shift production out of China, but it seems to be lower grade and less lucrative at the manufacturing end stuff that's been moved to Pakistan and south east Asia so far.

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 12:19:54 PM   
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Wrong Greta, Malaysian refers people to people nationally or ethnically Malaysian. Malays refers to the native peoples of Malaysia, Sumatra, Borneo and SINGAPORE. You know, that group you talk badly about all day everyday until you get called out about it

Check Britannica, not wikipedia

Considering the Muslim population of Malaysia, Malaysians and Malays you statement that you wanted to get rid of all Islam is just your most blatant dislike for them and their way of life

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 1:01:18 PM   
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I gotta say, I feel like my race is very power hungry and ambitious by DNA. Their slow progress is due to infighting within the country where a power hungry race have a hard time unifying and working together towards the same goal, since everybody wants to be on top of each other. So they keep pulling each other down.

I don't think Russia is any concern at all.

China, I have no doubt, has lofty goals to become the next world's super power.

China is selling more and more weapons to the rest of the world, a new study says.

Its exports of major arms soared 88% between the 2006-2010 period and 2011-2015, according to a report published Monday by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

The country has been securing a bigger slice of an expanding pie.

Other nations -- including the U.S., Russia and Britain -- also saw their arms exports increase over the same period, SIPRI said, although nowhere near as rapidly as China's.

The Chinese military, meanwhile, is buying fewer and fewer weapons from abroad as the country's homegrown programs progress.

It has fallen from "by far the largest importer" at the start of the century to third place behind India and Saudi Arabia in the most recent period, according to the study.

"China is increasingly capable of producing its own advanced weapons and has become less dependent on arms imports," it said, noting that Beijing still needs to shop overseas for certain key items, like large transport aircraft and engines.


Which in time, they will produce their own too.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/22/news/china-arms-exports-rising/?iid=EL


China has had its day in the sun in the past, 'nothing to say it won't happen again.

There were three factors in the European expansion, and one of them was a Chinese invention: gunpowder.

Every dog gets its day, and sooner or later it'll be China's turn again.


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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 3:44:26 PM   
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You are going to have to show me where rich individual Chinese citizens are buying up those homes. To my knowledge, they are not allowed.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-11-02/china-s-money-exodus

http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-wealthy-take-over-international-luxury-real-estate-markets-1750034

So now and they are and yet still way behind and as I thought...illegally moving money ($$/Euros) out of China to buy up houses. There is as likely a chance they could be sanctioned by the govt. and lose them too. Now they could be part of the high ranking oligarchs but they had better enjoy while they can.

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 4:19:49 PM   
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An economic superpower is not just in production but is also in such voluminous consumption and pay or borrow for it and that too much of the world...depends on it.

So remind me again: if China isn't an economic superpower, how much of your national debt do they control, and how much of the produce for your consumer society are they manufacturing? Would you (or anybody else for that matter) still have a computer industry if Foxconn and their competitors stopped exporting?
I appreciate that it's an embarrassing thing to have to admit, but the consumer society in the 'States is currently dependent on Chinese manufacturing, and will remain so until more of America's manufacturing base is shifted out of that country. Some industries a concerted attempt is being made to shift production out of China, but it seems to be lower grade and less lucrative at the manufacturing end stuff that's been moved to Pakistan and south east Asia so far.

The Chinese hold less than 10% of American debt, make parts cheaper to most of our consumer products and yes, the US would still have a computer industry without the Chinese. China was not even in the PC/laptop market themselves in until they bought that from IBM. They do not export very many products of their own.

The Chinese have a relatively small home consumer market. The higher profits available in the US consumer market is dependent on Chinese manufacturing.

Vietnam and others are now in fact offering their version of virtual slave labor in competition to China. Much of China's technology has come from forcing many western companies to extend that to them in order to partner with them which in most cases...is required.

China hardly shows itself as an economic superpower when it's economic size and growth is dependent on as many as 300 million virtual if not outright...slave labor. HERE A few million of which are formal.

The camps’ prisoners are just the formal slaves. In a more general sense, all of China’s one and a third billion people are slaves; without freedom of speech, of assembly, of religion, of movement, of the press, and without a government that derives its powers from the consent of the governed.



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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 5:19:28 PM   
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"without freedom of speech"

Few years ago they protested about a sewage treatment plant and the government changed its plans.

Things have changed since Tianemen Square.

In fact, look at most governments around the world and you'll see they are more respondent to the People than the government of the US with our wonderful Constitution they wipe their ass with.

Granted, things are not all great in many places, but the fact is that as they all move toward freer societies we move the other direction. This PATRIOT ACT shit was the beginning of the end, and look at all the years the NSA was spying on us before we knew about it. And spying on the whole world, what right do they have to the contents of emails between Merkel and Putin ?

You are not free. Just because you can travel does not mean you are free. Just because you are not in jail does not mean you are free, speaking of which, we got the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world in case you forgot. I went with a buddy to help another change a hot water tank. It was "Oh no, don't throw the old one on the tree lawn, take it, otherwise the cops will come because there was no permit pulled and licensed plumber". And that a neighbor had called the police about a jetski in the driveway.

This is not a free country and it seems half the people do not want a free country.

I'll tell you this, I am pretty sure there are parts of China that are freer then the US. You get out in the boonies there, I bet they don't have satellites watching the wilderness to see if someone is hunting or fishing without a license.

You need a license to hunt or even fish for food here and you call this a free country ? Preposterous.

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 5:52:56 PM   
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Wrong Greta, Malaysian refers people to people nationally or ethnically Malaysian. Malays refers to the native peoples of Malaysia, Sumatra, Borneo and SINGAPORE. You know, that group you talk badly about all day everyday until you get called out about it

Check Britannica, not wikipedia

Considering the Muslim population of Malaysia, Malaysians and Malays you statement that you wanted to get rid of all Islam is just your most blatant dislike for them and their way of life

You are totally wrong!
Malay is a race. Malays exists in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia etc.
Just like Chinese exist in Taiwan, China, Singapore, Hong Kong.

So I simply used the absolute correct term describe their ethnicity. Our indigenous people are Malay people. Not Malaysians.
And honestly, if you ever meet a Singaporean Malay and attempt to call them "Malaysians", they will take offense and take that as an intentional derogatory term towards them. You can try. Good luck! They would totally school you. They like being referred to as Muslims or Malays. "Muslim" is not a dirty word around here, a word they wear it very proudly. I am not kidding that Muslims are treated like VVIP around here as they are the indigenous race, it's a word that will gain them heaps of special privileges and consideration, and not something they would want to hide.

And for Malaysians themselves their term for their indigenous people is Bumiputra. A term exclusively used in Malaysia.

I talk badly equally about Muslims of all races. There are Chinese Muslims in Singapore too ya know, and I absolutely am disgusted with them for being Muslims and giving up their culture and heritage as alot of Chinese things not compatible with Islam. Muslims are simply a group of people that chose to follow Muhammad. To me, they are like Nazis who follow Hitler. Same thing. Nothing wrong in disapproving that they are following a negative role model. What's the difference between a Nazi and a Muslim? Nothing. They both hate jews and both would nuke Israel if they could.

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 6:20:49 PM   
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You agree with what I said and then demonstrate your animosity towards Muslims, comparing them to Nazis even though your a YUUUGE Putin fan. Grow a brain or crawl in a hole where you won't poison humanity

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 6:32:02 PM   
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Ummm, Putin has no use for Jews. He worked for them before and watched how they stole the EXTREME wealth of Russia. But at the time he got his as well. Now, well he is not sorry but he is not going to let it go on. The Israelis would love to take him out but they can't get to him. Jews are not allowed to own certain businesses in Russia, their role i government is limited and they do not like that. When Putin dies, that day will become a national holiday in Israel. I shit you not, paid holiday.

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 6:35:20 PM   
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Greta, the Chinese live in a society of 1.6 billion people.

Think about that. 1.6 billion people with a lifestyle that sucks.

How do you know this? What is your definition of "sucks"?




Consequently, life is cheap and competition is unbelievably fierce.

How did you get a conclusion without a premis?

When I lived in NZ, I met a convenience store clerk whose visa was up and she was hoping for an extension. Because otherwise she would have to return to Shanghai.

She didn't want to return to Shanghai. By comparison, NZ was paradise. And when you think about it, the reason why is striking.

Did she tell you this or is this your assumption?

Even if you're in the top 2% when it comes to intelligence, you are competing with - wait for it - 32 million other people for great jobs and lifestyle.

Are you sugesting that there is a shortage of jobs for intelligent people in china? If so why do you feel that to be the case?


And that's not even touching the reality that intelligence is by no means the only arbiter of success.


You must admit that it does help.

Life in China is horrifically competitive.

Life in amerika is horrifically competitive, so what?

Which is why so many Chinese will literally kill people to get a better lifestyle.

How is that different than amerika?





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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 6:36:46 PM   
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I gotta say, I feel like my race is very power hungry and ambitious by DNA.

Get a clue...chinese is not a race.



Their slow progress is due to infighting within the country where a power hungry race have a hard time unifying and working together towards the same goal, since everybody wants to be on top of each other. So they keep pulling each other down.


Just what is your criteria for claiming that china is making slow progess? What are they making slow progress at?



China, I have no doubt, has lofty goals to become the next world's super power.


Why do you think that china is not a super power now?


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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 6:38:35 PM   
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Jews are not allowed to own certain businesses in Russia, their role i government is limited and they do not like that.

Cite please.


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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 6:47:11 PM   
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Well not to belabor the reasonably objective standards of a superpower but that word more than anything, means...the projection of power. A land army is of little value...stuck on their land. (even with what is in fact less than 20% of the world's population estimated as of 3/16) Making things means little if they too...can't leave home. Only the US can can 'project' real power and it can do so world wide.


Of what value has that ability been in the past 100 years?



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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 7:09:17 PM   
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China was a monarchy and not communist initally, it started from way back. But the fact that they are fuckin rich right now,

When was china not rich?



buying properties all around the world and paying in hard cold cash. 40mil houses in SG just get snap up by them, all paid in hard cold cash like nothing, is not coincidence, how they got rich, because they hunger for it. It's in their DNA.


Warren buffet, nick cage, bill gates and other rich guys do the same shit.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




It's no coincidence, even the most oppressive countries to Chinese people, they still rise up and became the richest in those countries.

Cite please



Indonesia was systematically murdering chinese people, because despite all the oppression, they still became Indonesian richest.


Were the chiese singled out or were they part of a larger group? Any idea why the chinese were murdered?

In any other countries,

Could you be a bit more specific as to which countries?


the race that other country is often trying genocide on are always stuck in poverty as a result of oppression. Chinese people has this track record of rising up, regardless of any environment and how bad the environment is toward them.

Could you give us an example of such?


Because I feel the sufferings of all work and no play started from childhood. They are trained to survive hardships.


Why do you feel this is the purview of the chinese and no other?

I think current state of Chinese people around the world, in all sorts of different environment is evidence. It starts with their unique upbringing that is not really practice in many other race culture.


Do you have proof of this?


All work and no play starts from childhood. Don't think you can be a 2 yr old and not be filled with 8 hours of home work everyday! Many chinese kids in Singapore, by 2 yr old, are already attending full day school.


Do they study finger painting or algebra?


And then more tuition and work after school. But you don't see Indians, Caucasians or Malays doing that to their kids.


You obviously do not get out much.

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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 7:14:52 PM   
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All true! Child suicide for not scoring 100% in tests is also common in Singapore.

Cite please



We push chinese kids to have perfect scores. Anything less is not good enough.

You obviously have never heard of vince lombardi
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




That's why they start kids from 2 yr old, they want them to already be super advance by the time they reach 7 yr old, which is primary school, they want their kid to easily score full marks by then. That's our culture.


You are a product of this system. You are dumber than a rock and more ignorant than a post so obviously this shit does not work.


I am not saying it's right, but this means survival of the fittest. IF the kid is too weak minded to handle a bad grade, they die, as they probably can't survive in bad conditions anyway. It's their culture,

Tell us hon just what is the child suicide rate in that third world shithole called singapore?



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RE: I know some Americans Belittle China capabilities - 8/7/2016 7:22:36 PM   
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Actually it is your own ignorance not knowing that "Malay" is the correct term for that specific race.


No it is not.

And they identify themselves as "Malays" in Singapore, and definitely not as "Malaysians". You can go on facebook and ask any Singaporean if you don't believe.

So when did facebook become the deciding factor in maters of fact?

Malaysian is a Nationality.



Malay is the race.

No it is not.

Get some education dude.


Dudette get a clue.

Go google "Malay". And you owe me an apology for such baseless accusation. I have never used a "racial slur" ever to denigrate any race.


You have no clue what the word race means.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Malays are an ethnic group of Austronesian peoples


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays_(ethnic_group)

You are like the classic example of left wing people telling blatant lies to smear right leaning people with emotional falsehood like this, rather than talk pragmatically about the facts.


You havent any facts, your own cite says you are full of shit. Go get to an adult to read the big words to you and explain them.




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