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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/20/2016 3:10:46 PM   
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I thought the fact that they kept going as a separate band was more down to Slick ousting Kourkonen and Balin when she started switching the band around?

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/20/2016 3:34:16 PM   
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I thought the fact that they kept going as a separate band was more down to Slick ousting Kourkonen and Balin when she started switching the band around?



Nope, they were a very lucrative deal by the time Grace got over her surgery, WHICH was a major problem for Grace (that bitch has an ego that borders on delusions of god hood) she felt she was the reason that Airplane was successful.

But lets face reality, Grace's popularity was her voice that many compared to Janis Joplin and a couple of others, in other words, she was one of a dozen or so good female vocalists.

Airplane, then Starship was popular more for their originality and the way the group performed as a whole.

I mean Grace's few solo attempts bombed so bad it wasnt even funny.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/20/2016 4:16:41 PM   
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It's not like the later Starship records were much good either, come to that.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/20/2016 8:14:37 PM   
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FYI, some of Hot Tuna's albums are worth big bucks on ebay if they are first pressings and made of the old vinyl.

Mine are all vinyl, I got them from my Dad when he moved into a smaller place and he unloaded his albums on me because I still have turn table.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/21/2016 10:57:37 PM   
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'65 Ah! Sunflower

'65 CIA Man

'66 Blackwaterside

'68 Lather/i]

'73 Cam ye o'er frae France

Oh my, was I blinkered and not in the right decade? But the last song concerned some mess of intrigue in the pass-off from Anne to George I, written at the time, and Anne was born in 1665, smack in the middle of the '60s. Just in the spirit of things.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/21/2016 11:15:10 PM   
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FYI, some of Hot Tuna's albums are worth big bucks on ebay if they are first pressings and made of the old vinyl.

Mine are all vinyl, I got them from my Dad when he moved into a smaller place and he unloaded his albums on me because I still have turn table.


That's great, much easier on the ears than early digital, except for the worst records.. But anyway, you need an RIAA equipped preamp there too, so I assume you have that in addition.


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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/22/2016 12:01:57 AM   
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I thought the fact that they kept going as a separate band was more down to Slick ousting Kourkonen and Balin when she started switching the band around?


Nope, they were a very lucrative deal by the time Grace got over her surgery, WHICH was a major problem for Grace (that bitch has an ego that borders on delusions of god hood) she felt she was the reason that Airplane was successful.

But lets face reality, Grace's popularity was her voice that many compared to Janis Joplin and a couple of others, in other words, she was one of a dozen or so good female vocalists.

Airplane, then Starship was popular more for their originality and the way the group performed as a whole.

I mean Grace's few solo attempts bombed so bad it wasnt even funny.


Yeah, well hardly.

As much as I love Scotty Moore's guitar playing, people didn't buy Elvis records for that, nor for Carl Perkins' songwriting, at the time. They bought it for the singer, as has forever been the case. I haven't seen where Grace Slick ever thought she was the best thing about Jefferson airplane, but that she we was a significant part of the appeal, what got them on the road, and not just by her looks. Grace Slick wasn't Elvis, but J Lennon and Macca weren't either.

BTW, this is the first I've heard of comparing Grace Slick's and Janis Joplin's voice in any way, but knowing what fuckwits music writers are, I wouldn't be shocked if that actually happened. Completely different styles, voices, everything. Are you sure you're not just making that up?

She did have a problem with alcohol at various times, so not sure but that may coincide with your claim.

But even if so, it's not as though she didn't have reason for it, and certainly not the first of any artiste to take note of their own value. This stuff is decades and even centuries old, from many in her place before and since. Singling her out from all that is just silly.

How many people would have listened to Paul Kantner or Jourma Koukonen singing those same songs that got them on the radio? Good as he was, not even Marty Balin would have gotten them on the radio by himself. Include his failures in that regard there in the beginning as much as you include Grace Slick's failures on solo attempts after the failed Starship venture. Fishsmell (or was that Hot Tuna?) were good for a couple of albums, then done, with 98% of the audience for either their albums or shows having never been aware of them in the first place were it not for Grace Slick being in the group that brought everybody else in the band to their attention.

Do you know how many other bands, from whatever decade, had perhaps interesting musical ideas or cultural statements to make that never got an audience because they never had a singer that could hold anybody's interest? Such is the life of 'pop' music, even among things not necessarily made for mass audience.

Grace Slick was a fantastic singer that an 'outré' band such as the Jefferson Airplane were very lucky to have come upon to both present the band's works and be a major artistic contributor at the same time. Having a voice and power to bring it to everybody's attention in the first place is what allowed everything thereafter to happen, for all of them.


Spencer Dryden, the drummer contributed keyboards on one song. Grace Slick contributed two written songs on every album, along with playing piano and organ and the recorder on every song you hear where included, including arrangement, on a number of songs, on every album. All the rest of the band were just guitar boys with more than half a clue and interesting musical ideas. Grace's musical ideas were just as strong, while being more artistically versatile.

I'm a somewhat fan of Kaukonen, or was at one time, but I and thousands of others would never had heard of him if not for Grace Slick.

Just check around small concerts and studios; there are literally thousands like Kaukonen. Good guitar players, piano players, drummers, sax players, whole string sections, etc. are a dime a dozen. Many good songwriters can't even get their stuff anywhere near a studio.


Any band, no matter how talented the musicians or the songwriters, would kill for a Grace Slick.





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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/22/2016 12:24:43 AM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/22/2016 12:45:23 AM   
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'65 Ah! Sunflower

'65 CIA Man *

'66 Blackwaterside

'68 Lather/i]

'73 Cam ye o'er frae France

Oh my, was I blinkered and not in the right decade? But the last song concerned some mess of intrigue in the pass-off from Anne to George I, written at the time, and Anne was born in 1665, smack in the middle of the '60s. Just in the spirit of things.


*oops

Hiccup on the link to CIA Man, sorry. Just repeated from the first item

Trying again;


'65 CIA Man



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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/22/2016 3:42:42 AM   
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Much more to the point, but without all the narrative melodrama;


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While on the subject, don't forget the rubbing bowls.

But here's a string thing I like better, sorry about the not '60s stuff;

Original Theme from the Third Man, by the original artiste on Zither














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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/22/2016 2:21:55 PM   
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The yanks were fobbed off with some shite by Johnny Rivers...
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/22/2016 3:00:10 PM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/22/2016 8:30:34 PM   
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The yanks were fobbed off with some shite by Johnny Rivers...


Hey, the Johnny Rivers version was dreck, but decent dreck, as such things go.

The far worse crime, in my estimation, was when the US distributors of of the movie Alfie recorded a different version of the Bacharach title song with Cher singing it, for the US audience. Boy did those people miss out! Cilla Black's version is a classic, and what the home crowd in your country got to hear on the radio along with hearing the proper version at the movie.

Don't bother looking up Cher's version (I doubt I'd have to twist your arm much about it).

Here is an excellent youtube of somebody besides The Beatles working with George Martin at EMI ("Abbey Road") studios:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDF_taQnoXk


Apparently, Burt B. was some bit of a PITA on that session but, class acts that they were, G. Martin and Cilla just laughed about it later.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/23/2016 10:39:53 AM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/23/2016 11:57:29 AM   
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Oh boy, I am a bit past that.

But the Uncle Jack thing brings back good memories.

My ears are such wimps nowadays. Actually, longer ago.

Call me a liar if you like, but I actually did have a '62 Stratocaster at one time. The only reason I could buy it is that the original owner put a Telecaster neck on it, and an Alembic power boost switch. Downgrading the value of an "all original."

Nowadays, the three pick ups alone would fetch $350-500 apiece. I did OK when I traded it, but a bit less than I could have.

This is why I know so little about whatever pedals and boosters and such. I also got a Gretsch 6120 and a Gretsch Tennesean for $800 (for both, when I bought them). Along with the Fender Tremolux amp, I wasn't hurting for tone, which is why I'm such a dumbshit about whatever boxes. Who would want to screw that up with some box that Tom Scholtz was selling? I would have made a killing out of the deal mentioned above, except that I sold the Tennessean to my best friend at the time for $300. Not the smartest guy, I admit. I got $3,500 for the 6120 some years later. I'm not going to get into what phenomenal acoustic guitars I came upon later. Subject for another day.

Did the band Mother's Finest ever make it to your shores?

I did FOH sound for them 5-6 times. "We" were competing with disco and punk rock at the same time.

Which is why they didn't survive. No one playing actual music survived that period.

This is from the '70s, apologies to the OP;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC7_LAklaHo

This stuff is too loud for me now, but I loved being in the middle of it at the time.;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZfVaL_faEQ










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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/23/2016 12:26:08 PM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/23/2016 12:28:04 PM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/23/2016 12:32:18 PM   
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You're making sweeping statements again. No one playing actual music survived the late '70s? That'll be news to Knopfler and Springsteen. (I could name a lot more people than that, but they're surely trad enough for your tastes...)

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/23/2016 12:34:20 PM   
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Almost like Deep Purple funk, n'est-ce pas?

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/23/2016 12:39:19 PM   
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You're making sweeping statements again. No one playing actual music survived the late '70s? That'll be news to Knopfler and Springsteen. (I could name a lot more people than that, but they're surely trad enough for your tastes...)



Now comes the hostility, yet again.

Springsteen was well before disco, Knoplfer was at the end of it.

And I had little use for either of them in any case. So Fuck you and your 'trad' assumptions.

We're done.

You are completely right in every way, and I am just a fucknot.

I was trying to give some insight.

It won't happen again.

Just go away, as far away as possible.




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