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vincentML -> What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 10:42:29 AM)

Watched an interview with a recently former CIA Deputy Director last night. He made the following points of distress in our politics:

Domestically:

1. The speed of new technology has outpaced the creation of new jobs; low skills manufacturing jobs have been outsourced. The result is an historically wide wage gap and an age disparity between winners and losers. New tech (like internet, cloud, robotics, and artificial intelligence) will begin to encroach on higher level jobs in law, financial services, etc. For the first time in our history technology and productivity are increasing rapidly but new jobs and income remain basically flat.

2. There is a heightened skepticism that government can get anything done.

3. A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

Foreign Policy:

1. China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?

2. The end game in Syria is to depose the current regime preferably by diplomatic means. Russia and Iran should have a seat at the table. Diplomacy can be effective only from threatened strength. We should target Assad's palaces and war planes, tanks, etc. But we must also make Russia and Iran pay a price for their seat at the table by covertly killing off some of their assets in the area.

3. We need to reassure our 'friends' in the area that we will not sell them out to Iran.

Those were his thoughts as well as I can recall them.

What do you think?







ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 12:19:50 PM)

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A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

This worry has never made any sense to me. I simply cannot see how or why it matters.




Awareness -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 12:21:13 PM)

LOL!




vincentML -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 12:35:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

This worry has never made any sense to me. I simply cannot see how or why it matters.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?




BamaD -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 4:34:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Watched an interview with a recently former CIA Deputy Director last night. He made the following points of distress in our politics:

Domestically:

1. The speed of new technology has outpaced the creation of new jobs; low skills manufacturing jobs have been outsourced. The result is an historically wide wage gap and an age disparity between winners and losers. New tech (like internet, cloud, robotics, and artificial intelligence) will begin to encroach on higher level jobs in law, financial services, etc. For the first time in our history technology and productivity are increasing rapidly but new jobs and income remain basically flat.

2. There is a heightened skepticism that government can get anything done.

3. A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

Foreign Policy:

1. China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?

2. The end game in Syria is to depose the current regime preferably by diplomatic means. Russia and Iran should have a seat at the table. Diplomacy can be effective only from threatened strength. We should target Assad's palaces and war planes, tanks, etc. But we must also make Russia and Iran pay a price for their seat at the table by covertly killing off some of their assets in the area.

3. We need to reassure our 'friends' in the area that we will not sell them out to Iran.

Those were his thoughts as well as I can recall them.

What do you think?





Shouldn't China make some accomodations too?




kdsub -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 4:55:28 PM)

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China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?


We do not need China but they do need us. Our resources far exceed theirs and the rare metals that we now purchase from China can be refined from existing tailing if need be.

Butch




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 6:57:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

This worry has never made any sense to me. I simply cannot see how or why it matters.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Sorry, but that went right over my head. What do you mean?




vincentML -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 7:55:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Watched an interview with a recently former CIA Deputy Director last night. He made the following points of distress in our politics:

Domestically:

1. The speed of new technology has outpaced the creation of new jobs; low skills manufacturing jobs have been outsourced. The result is an historically wide wage gap and an age disparity between winners and losers. New tech (like internet, cloud, robotics, and artificial intelligence) will begin to encroach on higher level jobs in law, financial services, etc. For the first time in our history technology and productivity are increasing rapidly but new jobs and income remain basically flat.

2. There is a heightened skepticism that government can get anything done.

3. A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

Foreign Policy:

1. China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?

2. The end game in Syria is to depose the current regime preferably by diplomatic means. Russia and Iran should have a seat at the table. Diplomacy can be effective only from threatened strength. We should target Assad's palaces and war planes, tanks, etc. But we must also make Russia and Iran pay a price for their seat at the table by covertly killing off some of their assets in the area.

3. We need to reassure our 'friends' in the area that we will not sell them out to Iran.

Those were his thoughts as well as I can recall them.

What do you think?





Shouldn't China make some accomodations too?

What would you suggest, Bama? Should they withdraw from foreign trade treaties? Should they cut back on their military and economic growth? Could you make some suggestions? Our naval forces sail freely through the South China Sea. Should China just write off our presence?




BamaD -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 7:59:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Watched an interview with a recently former CIA Deputy Director last night. He made the following points of distress in our politics:

Domestically:

1. The speed of new technology has outpaced the creation of new jobs; low skills manufacturing jobs have been outsourced. The result is an historically wide wage gap and an age disparity between winners and losers. New tech (like internet, cloud, robotics, and artificial intelligence) will begin to encroach on higher level jobs in law, financial services, etc. For the first time in our history technology and productivity are increasing rapidly but new jobs and income remain basically flat.

2. There is a heightened skepticism that government can get anything done.

3. A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

Foreign Policy:

1. China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?

2. The end game in Syria is to depose the current regime preferably by diplomatic means. Russia and Iran should have a seat at the table. Diplomacy can be effective only from threatened strength. We should target Assad's palaces and war planes, tanks, etc. But we must also make Russia and Iran pay a price for their seat at the table by covertly killing off some of their assets in the area.

3. We need to reassure our 'friends' in the area that we will not sell them out to Iran.

Those were his thoughts as well as I can recall them.

What do you think?





Shouldn't China make some accomodations too?

What would you suggest, Bama? Should they withdraw from foreign trade treaties? Should they cut back on their military and economic growth? Could you make some suggestions? Our naval forces sail freely through the South China Sea. Should China just write off our presence?

Is it Chinese territorial waters?
We are to accept what the Chinese do and make accomodations for it but the Chinese should do what they want and give us nothing in return.




vincentML -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 8:06:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

This worry has never made any sense to me. I simply cannot see how or why it matters.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Sorry, but that went right over my head. What do you mean?

Not meaning to be snippy; i thought that saying was well known. Mrs. Lincoln went to see a play but saw instead her husband assassinated by a sympathizer to the secessionist states. I just meant to point out that skin color and politics have always been hand-maidens in American history.




vincentML -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 8:14:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?


We do not need China but they do need us. Our resources far exceed theirs and the rare metals that we now purchase from China can be refined from existing tailing if need be.

Butch

Many American industries use Chinese labor and sell products in Chinese domestic markets. Strategically, our military sees China as a buffer against North Korea. Then, one of the forces driving globalization is the notion that war can be avoided when trade partners have more or less equal skin in the game.




vincentML -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 8:19:12 PM)

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Is it Chinese territorial waters?
We are to accept what the Chinese do and make accomodations for it but the Chinese should do what they want and give us nothing in return.

I didn't say that.

Maybe they feel threatened. Maybe there are historical issues.

But, the ex-CIA guy seems to think we are headed for a serious confrontation.




MrRodgers -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 8:23:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

This worry has never made any sense to me. I simply cannot see how or why it matters.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Sorry, but that went right over my head. What do you mean?

Here's what it means for me. You are both right. For the young, it doesn't matter, for they are...young so they don't see and don't care. For the older crowd, it is this world situation and what our CIA man describes is the beginning pangs of pain for the long game. Those pangs of pain are the ME on the verge of chaos, regime change on the brink wherever it need be and will soon rear its head of destiny.

Those pangs are the embryonic pain of a world conceiving the pregnancy in its uterine youth where the east if they are observant, sees the west building the blocks of fulfilling their destiny of creating the necessities of capitalist (oligarchic like them) fascism with its partisan rancor, fear and soon to be rebellious nature within the ever increasing police state, surveillance society where the super power finally takes over and western society becomes the 4TH REICH. And all it need be is the authoritarian type we see now in the main partners in Russia and China

This is done with fear, leaders that as I have repeatedly informed...who play ball and of course money. Money must flow to the MIC (notice how every 4 years the military is either at small war or big war yet is always being destroyed or underfunded, penny poor and needs yet more money) and the NSA/TSA/HLS, to continue to fund the coming Orwellian future of what will in fact become the 3 main areas of hierarchy. The west...US, Europe...Russia and the east...China.

At that point, issues such as elections and economy will no longer exist except literally as mere talking points falling on forever deaf ears. Then it will be a few remaining wild fires succumbing to the even more prolific and consolidated drone operations no matter who the people are or...where they live through the use of the complete lawlessness (or rather lawfulness) of power. This is as soon as 50 years or as late as 100 years in the future. It is the long game and will take patience.

Your kids ? Don't worry, everybody will be living as one happy fascist family. The Germans and the Italians of pre WWII, danced in the streets. Your kids will too and 'that's what's going on here'




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 9:39:46 PM)

Yeah I know the expression, I just don't really see the applicability, sorry.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 10:32:21 PM)

The chinese are beginning to claim what they say is 'Historical Ownership' of different things. One of those things being the China Sea and the other being the Pacific; basically because they had huge exploration fleets sailing in those seas in the 15th Century when they put settlements in Australia, New Zealand, America and many other places, so their history tells. They tend to forget that their history also tells that one emperor in the middle of that century,( I am too lazy to go and look for his name ) decided to withdraw China from the world, destroyed all the fleets ( and there were some HUGE ships) and execute most of the officers from those fleets. He also destroyed most of the maps, charts and books relating to those voyages and cut the colonies off completely. He left them to their fate. Now the chinese want all that back ( and more) and want to forget about ever closing their borders to foreigners.
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Watched an interview with a recently former CIA Deputy Director last night. He made the following points of distress in our politics:

Domestically:

1. The speed of new technology has outpaced the creation of new jobs; low skills manufacturing jobs have been outsourced. The result is an historically wide wage gap and an age disparity between winners and losers. New tech (like internet, cloud, robotics, and artificial intelligence) will begin to encroach on higher level jobs in law, financial services, etc. For the first time in our history technology and productivity are increasing rapidly but new jobs and income remain basically flat.

2. There is a heightened skepticism that government can get anything done.

3. A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population.

Foreign Policy:

1. China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?

2. The end game in Syria is to depose the current regime preferably by diplomatic means. Russia and Iran should have a seat at the table. Diplomacy can be effective only from threatened strength. We should target Assad's palaces and war planes, tanks, etc. But we must also make Russia and Iran pay a price for their seat at the table by covertly killing off some of their assets in the area.

3. We need to reassure our 'friends' in the area that we will not sell them out to Iran.

Those were his thoughts as well as I can recall them.

What do you think?





Shouldn't China make some accomodations too?

What would you suggest, Bama? Should they withdraw from foreign trade treaties? Should they cut back on their military and economic growth? Could you make some suggestions? Our naval forces sail freely through the South China Sea. Should China just write off our presence?

Is it Chinese territorial waters?
We are to accept what the Chinese do and make accomodations for it but the Chinese should do what they want and give us nothing in return.





Termyn8or -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 10:43:28 PM)

"1. The speed of new technology has outpaced the creation of new jobs; low skills manufacturing jobs have been outsourced. The result is an historically wide wage gap and an age disparity between winners and losers. New tech (like internet, cloud, robotics, and artificial intelligence) will begin to encroach on higher level jobs in law, financial services, etc. For the first time in our history technology and productivity are increasing rapidly but new jobs and income remain basically flat.
"


In what used to be most of the job market, one person can do the work of ten. What happens to the other nine ? There is not enough demand. For example TV sets are specifically designed not to be fixed. They won't sell parts or even give you an enhanced block diagram, and TVs are still a mass market even though some people are getting away from it. I law there is money, but really there are so many lawyers these days the money is not as good and it is not as attractive of a field to get into. Financial services I would not touch with a ten foot pole after what happened to KPMG. They busted those people for retroactive laws and made them sign off on attorney/client privilege. Plus they apparently create money out of nothing or else someone would have been caught with all that loot that went missing in 2008.

"2. There is a heightened skepticism that government can get anything done. "

For good reason. I want them hamstringed at every turn. Elect a democrat, have a republican congress, elect a republican have a democrat congress. The fuck everything up so the less they do the better. I'd like to outsource the government itself. Nobody here up to the task of running it right wants the job.

"3. A good number of whites fear the colorization of our population. "

There is nothing wrong with separatism. In fact, this diversity kills itself if everyone interbreeds. Then everyone is brown. Where is the diversity then ?

"1. China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?
"


Those problems all seem to stem from actions in the South China Sea. And that island they are building. What I wonder is if then their internationally recognized territorial waters extend because of that, and how far. The subject has not been addressed in international law. Maybe the US should make some islands. They could be quite strategic, put military bases and RADAR stations on them. And of course some F-35s if they can get of those fucking Edsels working right. But the south China sea is what, 10,000 miles away ? Ain't none of our business really.

"2. The end game in Syria is to depose the current regime preferably by diplomatic means. Russia and Iran should have a seat at the table. Diplomacy can be effective only from threatened strength. We should target Assad's palaces and war planes, tanks, etc. But we must also make Russia and Iran pay a price for their seat at the table by covertly killing off some of their assets in the area. "

That is also 10,000 miles away and we have no business sticking our nose into it. Assad was elected. Assad also did not use the gas and if he did so the fuck what ? And if any fucker here wants to talk about rigged elections, look at the choices we got here.

"3. We need to reassure our 'friends' in the area that we will not sell them out to Iran. "

What does that bullshit mean ? Iran has done nothing. In fact they have put up with Israel just because they are afraid of the US. Israel kills their people, bombs them, infects their infrastructure with Stuxnet and they do nothing in retaliation. That is because Israel has a Big Brother.

"What do you think? "

I think the guy has comments but no solutions to any of this shit. The solution to this shit STARTS with not spending a half trillion a year on killing Women and children. It is a joke to call that a defense budget. We have been attacked like what, twice since Pearl Harbor ?

And don't even count the few other times. Turns out these shooter were born here and got gun legally, and there never were any laws against pressure cookers. McVeigh wasn't one of "them" and was never on the RADAR. They just simply do not defend this country and as such should be defunded and then we will not have a standing army, as the founders of this country intended.

But it is too late now, the US has made too many enemies.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 10:54:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?


We do not need China but they do need us. Our resources far exceed theirs and the rare metals that we now purchase from China can be refined from existing tailing if need be.

Butch


Where did you get that ? We are only a small portion of their market. What's more they would probably like to not sell us any metals anymore, preferring to sell us plastic junk. Those metals are minerals and cannot be created. The only metals that can be created are radioactive and not used in mass markets.

China sells to Europe, Russia, India, all over the place. As a market they could do without us. What's more we are running out of money, so the market will not be there anyway and I think they are smart enough to see that. I do predict their alliance with Russia. Against the US, if the US keeps up with this shit, thinking they run the entire world.

Or, the US could back down and make friends. But that is not how Rome did it.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 11:03:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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China is emerging and pushing against American influence in the Pacific, while both economies need each other. Can America make some room for Chinese influence in the Pacific before war ensues?


We do not need China but they do need us. Our resources far exceed theirs and the rare metals that we now purchase from China can be refined from existing tailing if need be.

Butch

Many American industries use Chinese labor and sell products in Chinese domestic markets. Strategically, our military sees China as a buffer against North Korea. Then, one of the forces driving globalization is the notion that war can be avoided when trade partners have more or less equal skin in the game.


Huh ? We don't need any buffer against North Korea, we could squash them like a bug. And then, their Big Brother, China, would not attack us. So why aren't we there with the IEAI (sp? the ones who inspect Iran) or whatever inspecting their centrifuges n shit ? I'll tell you why right now - they got nothing we can sell. Plus the fact that if we did fuck with them the TV prices would go up, and we can't have that.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 11:12:29 PM)

"But, the ex-CIA guy seems to think we are headed for a serious confrontation.
"


We are but it may be a long time before it happens. World leaders are rich and powerful and have a good life, so they do not want to push the button.

That includes Putin, and that is dangerous. he has his money, he loves his country. If they get him to push the button he will throw EVERYTHING at us, and Israel. We are talking probably 80 % of the US and whatever is near Israel. He is not going to fuck around with one or two nukes here. He has over 1,000, the question is how many missiles to deliver them and their range. There are only so many ICBMs that can get here but some can come from submarines, or even planes. You know how I say if you pull a gun shoot to kill ? I believe that if pushed to do so, that is what he will do. Destroy our capability. That is the object. These assholes in the US have been fighting for money for so long they probably forgot that.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: What's Going On Here? (8/10/2016 11:28:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah I know the expression, I just don't really see the applicability, sorry.


I don't know what he meant really but Lincoln did not want any integration. He did not want to free the slaves, ESPECIALLY into our society, if anything he wanted to send them back. He said so.

Slavery predates the nation. And one of the people who owned the most slaves was actually Black. I am not sue if he owned any Whites. But they were mostly indentured servants which means after a time they were free. I do not know what happened after that to make actual ownership of a human legal, but back in the days before the founding of the country, many "slave" owners only owned a contract of sorts. After a set term of years they were free.

Even now it is not cheap to cross the ocean. So if some Chinese likes my designing style and I don't have the money to fly over there are supervise production, I can sign a contract that say I have to work for them cheap for X years. Of course they provide the house and the car and whatever else, but I would effectively be a slave. Ideally, after the term I would be able to negotiate a good pay and buy my own. There were alot of Irish indentured servants, apparently they didn't have any money either. But we don't. how many people do you know who can just vacation in Europe, or anywhere overseas ? This is not a $99 special to Cleveland. To get it down to two grand you need a decade worth of frequent flyer miles no matter what credit card you use.

T^T




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