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dcnovice -> New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/10/2016 8:34:40 PM)

It's the eye of the tiger . . .

A Muslim flight attendant who made headlines last year has sued her employer, ExpressJet, alleging that she was wrongly suspended by the airline for requesting she not have to serve alcohol to passengers.

The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (Cair-MI) filed the lawsuit in Michigan’s eastern district court last week on behalf of Charee Stanley.

Stanley began working for ExpressJet in 2013, around the time she converted to Islam, according to court documents. On her first day of the job, she requested that she be allowed to wear a hijab. That request was granted.

As Stanley continued to learn about her new religion, she “discovered that the Islamic proscription on consuming alcohol also extended to the act of serving alcohol to others” in 2015, the documents state.

She asked her employers if other flight attendants on duty could serve alcohol while she perform other tasks. Her employer approved and Stanley coordinated with her coworkers. “This arrangement worked smoothly and without causing any problems,” the suit states.

The suit claims that another flight attendant complained about Stanley’s hijab, books in Arabic and refusal to serve alcohol. In August of last year, Stanley was told to either resign or serve alcohol.

Mike Huckabee, call your office.



bounty44 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 3:35:53 AM)

so far this reads to me like maybe you think mike Huckabee is a hypocrite somehow for not standing up for charee Stanley?

or the more likely rendering, charee Stanley's choices should be respected because they reflect her religious convictions, and that's a good thing. has that been your history here with roughly parallel circumstances with Christianity?

or put another way. whatever thoughts and feelings you have about Stanley's case, do you have the same when it comes to the Christian photographers, bakers, pizza shop owners, etc?

im a little fuzzy though, if the airline has been seemingly wonderfully compliant with her, what caused the suspension? complaints from her colleagues?



Greta75 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 4:11:33 AM)

FR
This kind of Muslim problems is not uncommon in my country. Can't serve alcohol, can't touch pork, or even touch a plate that has pork in it. So waitressing or waitering in most restaurants would be a problem. Like they cannot work in subways as there is BLT. (Exactly why UK Subways eliminate bacon from their menu, so Muslims can work in them.)

So they screaming job discrimination against them, and insist that all these organizations eliminate serving pork and alcohol, so that, they can get jobs. That these jobs intentionally have anti-Islam elements in them, so they cannot take on the jobs.

They cry that it's against their religion to touch alcohol or pork. So it's not anything they can do about. But they will say, it's not necessary for any of these organizations to have alcohol or pork on their menu. Blatant discrimination against them to have those items on their menu!

But I sometimes wonder how come Emirates can have alcohol, with all the middle eastern stewardess working in them. Their lounge in Dubai is like, I was having champagne at 5am in the morning happily. So much free booze!



Termyn8or -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 4:43:11 AM)

"Like they cannot work in subways as there is BLT. (Exactly why UK Subways eliminate bacon from their menu, so Muslims can work in them.) "

Yes but there is ham in almost all their other sandwiches. Something is screwed on wrong here.

"So they screaming job discrimination against them, and insist that all these organizations eliminate serving pork and alcohol, so that, they can get jobs. That these jobs intentionally have anti-Islam elements in them, so they cannot take on the jobs.
"

So get the fuck out. Go home. We are not here to service you.

I believe firmly that we should start being nice to those people, but not let them come here. We have too many people already. You want it more crowded ? Go to a more crowded country then. People who over-reproduce deserve overpopulation, not those who don't. A bunch of the White races could apply for endangered species status. The Jews too, they are underreproducing. Many Europeans are as well. Africans and Muslims are going to be the majority in the future. Asians will outnumber us as well.

How many can we kill ? That is yet to be determined. But it would be damn nice to reduce the world population, like by half at least, hopefully more.

T^T



Greta75 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 4:52:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Yes but there is ham in almost all their other sandwiches. Something is screwed on wrong here.

It would be chicken ham or turkey ham, but not pork ham, in those Halal subways in the UK.
There may still be bacon, but it would be turkey bacon or Macon(disgusting stuffs), that will be used in replacement.

Just look at this bullshit: http://www.subway.co.uk/menu/halal.aspx

We would like to assure you that all the meats at the "Halal" Subway stores are certified Halal meats. Ham and Bacon products have been substituted by "Turkey Ham" and "Turkey Rashers". None of our Halal certified meats at Halal Subway stores contain pork


In my country, MacDonalds, Burger King and KFC and Pizzahut is 100% halal. Imagine I can't get a pork ham pizza at pizza hut here!

Thanks to Muslims. They complained that they can't work there if there is pork, so they eliminated pork so that they can give jobs to Muslims. Like seriously..., 13% of the population don't eat or touch pork, and the 70% culturally pork lovers have to be deprived of pork.

The only burger joint I can get real pork bacon in my burger in is Carl's Jr! Last one standing! I mean, nothing beats a nice burger with cheese, real bacon in it!

I literally got to bring my own bacon to put inside a damn macdonalds cheese burger now!

I do love fast food and as a kid, I used to have everything with real bacon in it! To grow up and watch it all taken away.

What is most miserable is, all the salad bars, that serve ceasar salad has no bacon to go with it!!!! Because they are halal too! And I carry my own jar of real bacon bits to dump into my ceasar salad, as what's a ceasar salad without bacon! Pasta places that claim they serve carbonara pasta serve them without bacon! WTF is a carbonara pasta without bacon? That's a halal carbonara pasta!

My Minister is right each race sacrifice something important to them. We have to give up pork in our diet for them 13% minority folks!



angelikaJ -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 5:44:22 AM)

Caesar salads traditionally do not contain bacon.



Greta75 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 6:16:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Caesar salads traditionally do not contain bacon.

Ok, I didn't know that, for me, before all the halal bullshit, all ceasar salad came with bacon, regardless if it had salmon, chicken or other meat on it, the bacon is a staple on it along with croutons and Parmesan cheese.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 6:44:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
...Like they cannot work in subways as there is BLT. (Exactly why UK Subways eliminate bacon from their menu, so Muslims can work in them.)

There are several ham and pork items in most UK Subway menus (Chicken & bacon melt, Subway melt, Italian BMT, Spicy Italian [contains pepperami & salami] and Pulled pork to name a few).
And I'm not talking 'turkey ham' either.
Only those that have explicitely decided to go Halal don't have them.
In all my travels around the UK, I have yet to stumble upon a 'Halal' Subway outlet.

Subway, like Burger King, Mac D's et al, are all franchised outlets so they have the option of opting for a Halal menu if they wish; but I've yet to come across one.


So to spout that UK Subway's have eliminated bacon (and pork) from their menus is not correct.


Agelica is correct, caesar salad doesn't usually contain any meat of any description.
It does have anchovies, egg and cheese which makes it unsuitable for vegans.




Greta75 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 7:36:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
So to spout that UK Subway's have eliminated bacon (and pork) from their menus is not correct.

200 out of 2000 outlets, which is 10% of UK subways is halal now. Read it from their UK website yourself. I linked it on above posts.

I wonder where they were sticking these 200 outlets.

Let me paint a realistic scenerio too. Which is pretty much what happened in my country.

Muslim youths starts having massive unemployment, citing religious incompatibility to many jobs. In order to help them be able work in those jobs, that's why, one of it is to "halalcised" most of these job that aren't halal for them to work in. Since their logic is, all non-Muslims can work in halal jobs. But not all Muslims can work in non-halal jobs.



Real0ne -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 7:47:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR
This kind of Muslim problems is not uncommon in my country. Can't serve alcohol, can't touch pork, or even touch a plate that has pork in it. So waitressing or waitering in most restaurants would be a problem. Like they cannot work in subways as there is BLT. (Exactly why UK Subways eliminate bacon from their menu, so Muslims can work in them.)




In the US you have the right to exercise your religion, as long as its the same as the gubblemint's established and imposed religion.





Greta75 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 7:48:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
In the US you have the right to exercise your religion, as long as its the same as the gubblemint's established and imposed religion.

This is different from Muslim people setting up Muslim food stalls and only allowing Muslim people to eat in there though. IF they did that. I couldn't care less.
Although, as a chinese woman, especially at Indian Muslim stores, where a chinese woman eating there is a rare sight, they are always so happy to see me enjoy their food, and always give me crazy extra portions of everything. I do absolutely love Indian food, and all Indian food places are halal in Singapore. I guess pork is not really a staple in India to start with.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 8:03:35 AM)

According to the daily mail, it's 184 outlets.

Even so, most of those are very likely to be in high muslim populated areas and where the demand makes it financially viable to have one.
And only 10% being halal is a small number and with them being concentrated in Muslim areas makes them even less likely to be 'stumbled upon' by the average traveller in the UK.
I haven't seen a halal version on any of the motorway services or in most towns and cities I've been through.


And interestingly, according to The Guardian: ...banner headlines about "ritually slaughtered meat" conceal the fact that, according to a 2012 Food Standards Agency report cited by the RSPCA, 97% of cattle, 96% of poultry and 90% of sheep slaughtered using the halal method in UK abattoirs are stunned before being killed – a procedure that makes them insensible to pain and distress.

That, of course, means that up to 10% of British halal meat may come from animals that have not been slaughtered in a way animal welfare experts consider humane: some stricter Muslims insist stunning is not halal, and some halal authentication bodies – of which there are five in the UK alone – deem it an offence against Qur'anic law and tradition. But the halal meat served by KFC, Nando's, Pizza Express and Subway is certified by bodies that do permit pre-stunning. These chains stress that their suppliers are "contractually obliged" to provide only pre-stunned meat, that all EU and UK legislation has been met, and, in the words of KFC, that "none of our welfare standards have been compromised".

So it would seem that not all 'halal' is what it appears to be. [:-]
All the so-called halal franchises of the popular take-out stores are not strictly 'halal' at all.
So that 10% you quoted is really zero for halal and the only bits missing from those stores is the pork products.


And yet again, you've changed your tune.
First it was all UK Subway's.
Now it's just the 10% that are 'halal' franchises.
And according to Subway's themselves, those cannot be true 'halal' because of our Food Standards Agency.

Sheeesh!!
Talk about blowing things all out of proportion!



Real0ne -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 8:25:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
In the US you have the right to exercise your religion, as long as its the same as the gubblemint's established and imposed religion.

This is different from Muslim people setting up Muslim food stalls and only allowing Muslim people to eat in there though. IF they did that. I couldn't care less.
Although, as a chinese woman, especially at Indian Muslim stores, where a chinese woman eating there is a rare sight, they are always so happy to see me enjoy their food, and always give me crazy extra portions of everything. I do absolutely love Indian food, and all Indian food places are halal in Singapore. I guess pork is not really a staple in India to start with.




there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In america however we have a totalitarian oppressive gubblemint that forces its people to practice the established state religion.





MariaB -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 9:48:33 AM)

We have loads of Indian restaurants in the UK but in most you won’t find beef because most Hindus worship the sacred cow.

Most Muslim restaurants don’t serve pork because its prohibited in the Quran but then most Jewish restaurants don’t serve pork because its prohibited in the Torah. If you want to eat pork then don’t go to an Islamic or Jewish eatery. [8|]

Subways that only serve halal meat are in highly populated Muslim areas and most none Muslims who are happy to live in these areas will respect haraam. If they don’t then they shouldn’t live in those areas... simple as.

As for Jews having few children, Orthodox Jews like to have 9 children.

And as for going home, many of them were born here. That, as far as I'm concerned, makes them as British as me.



WhoreMods -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 9:56:04 AM)

You get the occasional halal butcher that tries to accommodate hindus and moslems both. (Not much use if you don't fancy lamb or chicken, in my experience, though they are good at both of those.)
As for the whining skank who thinks her religion is a reason not to do the job she's being paid for, I've not seen any moslems working behind the bar in a pub, but I have bought bottled or tinned booze from a few in minimarts, and I've even seen one working in an off licence. That's an excuse she has, not a religious conviction.



MrRodgers -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 9:56:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
...Like they cannot work in subways as there is BLT. (Exactly why UK Subways eliminate bacon from their menu, so Muslims can work in them.)

There are several ham and pork items in most UK Subway menus (Chicken & bacon melt, Subway melt, Italian BMT, Spicy Italian [contains pepperami & salami] and Pulled pork to name a few).
And I'm not talking 'turkey ham' either.
Only those that have explicitely decided to go Halal don't have them.
In all my travels around the UK, I have yet to stumble upon a 'Halal' Subway outlet.

Subway, like Burger King, Mac D's et al, are all franchised outlets so they have the option of opting for a Halal menu if they wish; but I've yet to come across one.


So to spout that UK Subway's have eliminated bacon (and pork) from their menus is not correct.


Agelica is correct, caesar salad doesn't usually contain any meat of any description.
It does have anchovies, egg and cheese which makes it unsuitable for vegans.



Actually the original award winning Caesar's salad recipe does include grilled chicken but does not call for any other meat.



Awareness -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 9:57:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

It's the eye of the tiger . . .

A Muslim flight attendant who made headlines last year has sued her employer, ExpressJet, alleging that she was wrongly suspended by the airline for requesting she not have to serve alcohol to passengers.

The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (Cair-MI) filed the lawsuit in Michigan’s eastern district court last week on behalf of Charee Stanley.

Stanley began working for ExpressJet in 2013, around the time she converted to Islam, according to court documents. On her first day of the job, she requested that she be allowed to wear a hijab. That request was granted.

As Stanley continued to learn about her new religion, she “discovered that the Islamic proscription on consuming alcohol also extended to the act of serving alcohol to others” in 2015, the documents state.

She asked her employers if other flight attendants on duty could serve alcohol while she perform other tasks. Her employer approved and Stanley coordinated with her coworkers. “This arrangement worked smoothly and without causing any problems,” the suit states.

The suit claims that another flight attendant complained about Stanley’s hijab, books in Arabic and refusal to serve alcohol. In August of last year, Stanley was told to either resign or serve alcohol.

Mike Huckabee, call your office.
Two things:

A) Explain why an Islamic flight attendant is given special privileges in regards to her religion, but a baker isn't allowed to NOT bake a fucking cake.

B) A convert to the religion of terrorism with special access to all parts of a fucking aircraft? Fire her. Immediately.



Greta75 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 9:59:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

According to the daily mail, it's 184 outlets.


Why would you trust daily mail over Subways own personal website?

You don't think a non-muslim country to have an American not meant to be a Muslim food franchise such as a Subway turn Halal is not a big deal?

To me it's shocking when I first read the news. Subways in UK turning halal! All 200 outlets of them! Like WTF!

I feel like if white non-Muslim countries are affected, we are screwed!




Awareness -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 10:05:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

According to the daily mail, it's 184 outlets.


Why would you trust daily mail over Subways own personal website?

You don't think a non-muslim country to have an American not meant to be a Muslim food franchise such as a Subway turn Halal is not a big deal?

To be it's shocking when I first read the news. Subways in UK turning halal! All 200 outlets of them! Like WTF!

I feel like if white non-Muslim countries are affected, we are screwed!
After Sweden, the UK is the next beachead of the leftist anti-white-men melting-pot. The left has a hard-on for Islamic immigration.

As a result Sweden has been flooded with Islamic migrants and rape crimes have gone through the roof. The UK is a hotbed of Islamic terrorist activity and even the oppressive Orwellian surveillance system has been insufficient to the task of protecting citizens from Islamic terrorism.

That's why native Britons are leaving the UK. They no longer recognise their own society and the Islamisation of their country fills them with dismay.



Greta75 -> RE: New Front in the Battle for Religious Freedom (8/11/2016 10:05:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

We have loads of Indian restaurants in the UK but in most you won’t find beef because most Hindus worship the sacred cow.

Most Muslim restaurants don’t serve pork because its prohibited in the Quran but then most Jewish restaurants don’t serve pork because its prohibited in the Torah. If you want to eat pork then don’t go to an Islamic or Jewish eatery. [8|]



The fact that Muslims can cause Subways to turn halal, and there are like sooooo many jews living in the US, and you always read about jews controlling the media, blah blah blah, okay, basically powerful folks, and NONE of them tried to turn non-jewish food halal the way Muslims are doing it. Turning non-Muslim food, halal.

Of course, again, all the fast food in my country are made Halal! I remembered when Wendy's first set up, they were all halal too! But they have closed down now, completely failed, good riddance! I was so mad when they became halal when they reach Singapore. I boycotted them! It's nice to see a new fast food from the west come here and *think* turning halal is gonna make their business a success became an absolute failure. Who wants to eat Macon. They were advertising these disgusting burgers with fake bacon on it!

KFC and Mac is another different story, as they were here for years and years being non-halal and only recently all turned halal, but by then, people were already used to eating there.



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