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ORIGINAL: littleclip

congress has mandated budget cuts and has forced purchase of pet projects and congress wont allow a base realignment and closure round as some 20% of bases and infrastructure is excess. this has forced the cuts to programs and services to the soldiers. reserve units are having to skip one of the weapons qualifications scheduled due to not being able to afford the bullets. this happened in my last unit and set to in my current one. oh and the free care after serving in war it took 10 months to get a my torn knee fixed by the va. reserve and guard pay for the medical and dental ins and it pas so poorly that more accept Medicaid than Tricare reserve. cut the pay for those in congress and let them survive on 20k a year and see how fast things change

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

How many times should you have to be fired at to get retirement credit? How much proof do you need that you were fired at? Are the tours where you were fired at the only ones that you get retirement credit for? Does the enemy have to comfirm that you, personnaly were the targe? Do mortor or cannon fire cont since they are not generally aimed at an individual?

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

congress has mandated budget cuts and has forced purchase of pet projects and congress wont allow a base realignment and closure round as some 20% of bases and infrastructure is excess. this has forced the cuts to programs and services to the soldiers. reserve units are having to skip one of the weapons qualifications scheduled due to not being able to afford the bullets. this happened in my last unit and set to in my current one. oh and the free care after serving in war it took 10 months to get a my torn knee fixed by the va. reserve and guard pay for the medical and dental ins and it pas so poorly that more accept Medicaid than Tricare reserve. cut the pay for those in congress and let them survive on 20k a year and see how fast things change

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

congress has mandated budget cuts and has forced purchase of pet projects and congress wont allow a base realignment and closure round as some 20% of bases and infrastructure is excess. this has forced the cuts to programs and services to the soldiers. reserve units are having to skip one of the weapons qualifications scheduled due to not being able to afford the bullets. this happened in my last unit and set to in my current one. oh and the free care after serving in war it took 10 months to get a my torn knee fixed by the va. reserve and guard pay for the medical and dental ins and it pas so poorly that more accept Medicaid than Tricare reserve. cut the pay for those in congress and let them survive on 20k a year and see how fast things change

When I was based a FT Meade MD Congress decided not to give us a raise, but gave themselves a 20% (or more) raise because you couldn't live on a mere 125,000 raise.
Last year I turned 65 and they forced me to move out of Tricare prime (about 20 a month) and made me move to medicare at over 100 a month.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

You don't understand much about the military do you.
A lot of officers who were never under fire did things that kept many of those who were alive. By your standard Gen Marshall would not have gotten a retirement, or at least a greatly reduced one.
Not only that but the retirement is one of the ways they excuse the pay they give people.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

How many times should you have to be fired at to get retirement credit? How much proof do you need that you were fired at? Are the tours where you were fired at the only ones that you get retirement credit for? Does the enemy have to comfirm that you, personnaly were the targe? Do mortor or cannon fire cont since they are not generally aimed at an individual?

A bit overwrought in describing duty known as any duty in a combat zone, isn't it ? Those that have served in a combat zone should get the max. benefits but I am just not so sure about those that never did and especially as generous as these benefits are for officers.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

You don't understand much about the military do you.
A lot of officers who were never under fire did things that kept many of those who were alive. By your standard Gen Marshall would not have gotten a retirement, or at least a greatly reduced one.
Not only that but the retirement is one of the ways they excuse the pay they give people.

Well Marshall's life was never threatened and not only was his retirement going be very nice anyway, who's to say that for example...Patton and others like him, shouldn't had gotten more ?

As for officers, their active duty pay is just fine and there are far too many of the highest ranks anyway active and then of course now, many...retired and on several $1,000/month.

Plus many 'retire' and then go work in private MIC jobs and make 6 figures being straight from the inside. I know an admiral who over 30 years ago, retired on $5,000 a month on top of soc. sec. and went to work for a def. contractor at $200,000/yr.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

congress has mandated budget cuts and has forced purchase of pet projects and congress wont allow a base realignment and closure round as some 20% of bases and infrastructure is excess. this has forced the cuts to programs and services to the soldiers. reserve units are having to skip one of the weapons qualifications scheduled due to not being able to afford the bullets. this happened in my last unit and set to in my current one. oh and the free care after serving in war it took 10 months to get a my torn knee fixed by the va. reserve and guard pay for the medical and dental ins and it pas so poorly that more accept Medicaid than Tricare reserve. cut the pay for those in congress and let them survive on 20k a year and see how fast things change

When I was based a FT Meade MD Congress decided not to give us a raise, but gave themselves a 20% (or more) raise because you couldn't live on a mere 125,000 raise.
Last year I turned 65 and they forced me to move out of Tricare prime (about 20 a month) and made me move to medicare at over 100 a month.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

congress has mandated budget cuts and has forced purchase of pet projects and congress wont allow a base realignment and closure round as some 20% of bases and infrastructure is excess. this has forced the cuts to programs and services to the soldiers. reserve units are having to skip one of the weapons qualifications scheduled due to not being able to afford the bullets. this happened in my last unit and set to in my current one. oh and the free care after serving in war it took 10 months to get a my torn knee fixed by the va. reserve and guard pay for the medical and dental ins and it pas so poorly that more accept Medicaid than Tricare reserve. cut the pay for those in congress and let them survive on 20k a year and see how fast things change

When I was based a FT Meade MD Congress decided not to give us a raise, but gave themselves a 20% (or more) raise because you couldn't live on a mere 125,000 raise.
Last year I turned 65 and they forced me to move out of Tricare prime (about 20 a month) and made me move to medicare at over 100 a month.

Wasn't that congressional raise done at midnight on a Friday. I seem to remember that.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

You don't understand much about the military do you.
A lot of officers who were never under fire did things that kept many of those who were alive. By your standard Gen Marshall would not have gotten a retirement, or at least a greatly reduced one.
Not only that but the retirement is one of the ways they excuse the pay they give people.

Well Marshall's life was never threatened and not only was his retirement going be very nice anyway, who's to say that for example...Patton and others like him, shouldn't had gotten more ?

As for officers, their active duty pay is just fine and there are far too many of the highest ranks anyway active and then of course now, many...retired and on several $1,000/month.

Plus many 'retire' and then go work in private MIC jobs and make 6 figures being straight from the inside. I know an admiral who over 30 years ago, retired on $5,000 a month on top of soc. sec. and went to work for a def. contractor at $200,000/yr.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Those who give the most get the least.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

congress has mandated budget cuts and has forced purchase of pet projects and congress wont allow a base realignment and closure round as some 20% of bases and infrastructure is excess. this has forced the cuts to programs and services to the soldiers. reserve units are having to skip one of the weapons qualifications scheduled due to not being able to afford the bullets. this happened in my last unit and set to in my current one. oh and the free care after serving in war it took 10 months to get a my torn knee fixed by the va. reserve and guard pay for the medical and dental ins and it pas so poorly that more accept Medicaid than Tricare reserve. cut the pay for those in congress and let them survive on 20k a year and see how fast things change

When I was based a FT Meade MD Congress decided not to give us a raise, but gave themselves a 20% (or more) raise because you couldn't live on a mere 125,000 raise.
Last year I turned 65 and they forced me to move out of Tricare prime (about 20 a month) and made me move to medicare at over 100 a month.

Wasn't that congressional raise done at midnight on a Friday. I seem to remember that.

Sounds like the way Les Aspin worked.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

How many times should you have to be fired at to get retirement credit? How much proof do you need that you were fired at? Are the tours where you were fired at the only ones that you get retirement credit for? Does the enemy have to comfirm that you, personnaly were the targe? Do mortor or cannon fire cont since they are not generally aimed at an individual?

A bit overwrought in describing duty known as any duty in a combat zone, isn't it ? Those that have served in a combat zone should get the max. benefits but I am just not so sure about those that never did and especially as generous as these benefits are for officers.

So the man who flys into the combat zone gets retirement credit but the man who finds the safest approach to the target so he can come home in one peice doesn't. How about the man who keeps his plane in the air? Again, he keeps the pilot alive. And do you only get credit for the time you spend in combat zones?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

You don't understand much about the military do you.
A lot of officers who were never under fire did things that kept many of those who were alive. By your standard Gen Marshall would not have gotten a retirement, or at least a greatly reduced one.
Not only that but the retirement is one of the ways they excuse the pay they give people.

Well Marshall's life was never threatened and not only was his retirement going be very nice anyway, who's to say that for example...Patton and others like him, shouldn't had gotten more ?

As for officers, their active duty pay is just fine and there are far too many of the highest ranks anyway active and then of course now, many...retired and on several $1,000/month.

Plus many 'retire' and then go work in private MIC jobs and make 6 figures being straight from the inside. I know an admiral who over 30 years ago, retired on $5,000 a month on top of soc. sec. and went to work for a def. contractor at $200,000/yr.

Officers, let alone enlisted, get a minute fraction of what anyone in civilian life would get for comprable responsibility. You do know that because they are on retirement they can be called back on a moments notice, as can enlisted people don't you?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

congress has mandated budget cuts and has forced purchase of pet projects and congress wont allow a base realignment and closure round as some 20% of bases and infrastructure is excess. this has forced the cuts to programs and services to the soldiers. reserve units are having to skip one of the weapons qualifications scheduled due to not being able to afford the bullets. this happened in my last unit and set to in my current one. oh and the free care after serving in war it took 10 months to get a my torn knee fixed by the va. reserve and guard pay for the medical and dental ins and it pas so poorly that more accept Medicaid than Tricare reserve. cut the pay for those in congress and let them survive on 20k a year and see how fast things change

When I was based a FT Meade MD Congress decided not to give us a raise, but gave themselves a 20% (or more) raise because you couldn't live on a mere 125,000 raise.
Last year I turned 65 and they forced me to move out of Tricare prime (about 20 a month) and made me move to medicare at over 100 a month.

Wasn't that congressional raise done at midnight on a Friday. I seem to remember that.

Sounds like the way Les Aspin worked.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

How about the outlandish cost overruns at the Pentagon, $9 billion aircraft carrier that turns into over $13 billion ? The F35 10 year acquisition that goes from $1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion and climbing ? The ever-escalating cost of the B2 bomber ?

How about cutting the brass ? It's now so top heavy we won WWII on two fronts with 1000 generals total. We now have over 2000.

Add to that the very generous military retirement for officers that see no action at all. Much more than private industry and in addition to soc. sec and any other fed benefits and retirement.

You don't understand much about the military do you.
A lot of officers who were never under fire did things that kept many of those who were alive. By your standard Gen Marshall would not have gotten a retirement, or at least a greatly reduced one.
Not only that but the retirement is one of the ways they excuse the pay they give people.

Well Marshall's life was never threatened and not only was his retirement going be very nice anyway, who's to say that for example...Patton and others like him, shouldn't had gotten more ?

As for officers, their active duty pay is just fine and there are far too many of the highest ranks anyway active and then of course now, many...retired and on several $1,000/month.

Plus many 'retire' and then go work in private MIC jobs and make 6 figures being straight from the inside. I know an admiral who over 30 years ago, retired on $5,000 a month on top of soc. sec. and went to work for a def. contractor at $200,000/yr.

Officers, let alone enlisted, get a minute fraction of what anyone in civilian life would get for comprable responsibility. You do know that because they are on retirement they can be called back on a moments notice, as can enlisted people don't you?

Well their pay is very comparable to private industry pay and no, after a certain age, they cannot be called back in once their commitment is up. Plus there would be a draft first if we actually had a real war...not this shit we get into now.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

There are two truths in life.

1. Life is not fair.

2. See # 1

If you have any kind of future and go into the military these days you are an idiot. If you have any marketable skills or are close to developing any, fuck the military. You can be a roofer and make a hell of alot more money with a hell of alot less risk, and more of a future. If you can become an apprentice in almost any trade you will do better.

The boots on the ground always get fucked over. Those who give the most get the least. Don't let your kids fall for that bullshit.

T^T