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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:14:56 PM   
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I agree totally Bama. Both sides have to change and accept, or both sides will lose.
Whenever the muslims took a town or city in the days long gone, they were like the Romans, in the sense that they would tolerate any religion as long as you tolerated theirs. I think the so-called Christians were the ones that used the 'all or nothing' method of chistianizing places. you either became a Christian or you became very dead.


That time is long gone.
When Saladin took Jerusalem the standard paractice was to sell anyone who couldn't pay a rasome into slavery. A century later another Arab leader just killed everyone in cities he captured to scare the next city into surrender without a fight. And look at the places these people are fleeing. Failure to accept their particular brand of Islam warrents a death penalty.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:19:58 PM   
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Marini, it is my belief they will..........around about the time they stop killing each other for whatever reason in the Middle East. Many that are in refugee camps and other societies around the world have already expressed the desire to return to their homelands; probably just as you would if you were forced to leave your country for some reason.
Many will return. Many will not want to leave ever. Once the killing stops and the M.E. countries get back on whatever they consider to be an even keel, then the flood will slow to it's normal legal-immigration trickle I think.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:22:23 PM   
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True Bama. I think in that, they were only copying the Christian methods though. What is the old saying..........."Those who don't learn from history..............etc.,etc"

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:23:55 PM   
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We surrender to those we don't shoot.

People do not realize, once we get started there will not be enough cops or jails to stop us. Unless you think the government is going to run tanks up and down the streets and bomb their own country into the stone age.

Soldiers with machine guns waste 80 % of the ammo. Cops can't shoot and aren't physically all that tough either. The US is not going to nuke the US, or use gas except for the most dire situations for them, and it will probably be tear gas and that doesn't work all that well outside.

They can't bring in a majority of aliens because they cannot afford it and simply there is not enough housing. And they are not going to issue them weapons.

Once enough people get pissed off they will comply, but the sheeple have done what Jefferson said. Put up with it until it is literally impossible to put up with it.

The question is when. Anyone with a brain knows only stupid motherfuckers are going to turn in their guns. And due to the history of the country, most of them are not registered. And they simply cannot go door to door and search every house. Not because of the Constitution, but because they can't afford to. They do not have the manpower and cannot afford to hire enough people who they think they can trust to do it.

I am for something like Trump's idea, take in nobody. Nobody. Even on an H1B visa. The door should be closed and locked. Our cities are overfilled and it is not like immigrants are going to build their own town in bumfukt Kansas somewhere. They are going to move to the cities where the infrastructure is already suffering and we cannot afford to fix it.

You want to put them in temporary compounds like the Japanese during WW2, maybe. But it is an institution. Not quite like a prison, but if you have a Muslim one, make them some footwashing sinks and make sure no pork ever gets in. They got their own cooks and whatever. And the ones who go out and do wrong, ship them to Mexico and see if the drug cartels like their daughters raped n shit.

And the Mexican illegals, ship them off to the middle east. Seriously. you come here we do not send you back when we catch you, we send you somewhere WORSE than from where you came and you don't even know the language !

Fix the problem period And if that is racist, so the fuck what. I guess USians is a race now and there are some others included. But no more than those. The end.

People talk progressive but then they talk that the US was made of immigrants. Well it is time to progressive again and have change and stop immigration. We changed before and we can change again, and we have to do what is right for the People of this country. This is where people err.

Bottom line - we just don't need any more fucking problems, and all these people are problems unless they are just guests or tourists. You a computer programmer and want to meet Bill Gates, fine, visit. After a certain amount of time GTFO. You a company rep from Toyota or Honda which have plants here, fine, take care of business and GTFO. You rich and want to gamble, go to Vegas for a while and GTFO.

But I advocate the end of granting permanent residency to any more. We are now over 300 million and that is enough. What's more, the people who do well, the educated, reasonable like engineers n shit, they do not want to come here. They used to because of the opportunity but that is long gone in this economy.

T^T

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:24:34 PM   
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Marini, it is my belief they will..........around about the time they stop killing each other for whatever reason in the Middle East. Many that are in refugee camps and other societies around the world have already expressed the desire to return to their homelands; probably just as you would if you were forced to leave your country for some reason.
Many will return. Many will not want to leave ever. Once the killing stops and the M.E. countries get back on whatever they consider to be an even keel, then the flood will slow to it's normal legal-immigration trickle I think.
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Hummm
Embrace the change.


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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:30:26 PM   
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Sure I am hopeful. Yes, they have been fighting each other for a thousand years and more. Maybe there is a way of the west getting out of the M.E. and leaving them to it. I really don't know but yes, I am still hopeful we can sort the problem out without taking the whole world down in a holocaust because of religious stupidity.
And now that Termyn8or has joined the discussion with his own peculiar brand of peacekeeping, I think I might leave and go listen to the parrots in the garden. Good afternoon to you all and don't stop hoping.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:31:34 PM   
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I didn't say it was no big deal Marini.......Gods forbid. It is a HUGE deal but it is one that has to be tackled as calmly as homo sapiens can manage, without immediately reaching for a weapon or a big red button. This is something that is going to take many, many years, so maybe our grandchildren may have got it sorted by the time they are playing with THEIR grandchildren.


This is going to continue indefinitely.
lol
It goes way beyond your grandchildren.



Sounds like you see nothing in the future but perpetual violence.
You know that you are making a strong argument for not taking in refugees.
Sure they need help, but do you really think we are obligated to destroy our societies to do so?


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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:34:24 PM   
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True Bama. I think in that, they were only copying the Christian methods though. What is the old saying..........."Those who don't learn from history..............etc.,etc"

More like the other way around.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:34:27 PM   
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As always, To EACH their Own.
"And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. "
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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:34:35 PM   
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"Sure they need help, but do you really think we are obligated to destroy our societies to do so? "

Problem is that the US destroyed their societies so it has a hard time keeping footing on the moral ground.

I agree, keep them out, but stop fucking attacking them.

T^T

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:38:24 PM   
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you could be right there Bama...........I only know the version of history I was taught in British schools and as you may have figured out, that was more than slightly biased towards the Brits always being the good guys and anything that didn't reflect on them really well, was skipped over very briefly. I think the American Revolution took all of 20 minutes one afternoon *LOL* and if I remember rightly, the Brits almost had to force you to take America as a gift from a loving King George *LOLOL*

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:40:13 PM   
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"Sure they need help, but do you really think we are obligated to destroy our societies to do so? "

Problem is that the US destroyed their societies so it has a hard time keeping footing on the moral ground.

I agree, keep them out, but stop fucking attacking them.

T^T


We are in a world wide conundrum here.
I have wondered how the refugees feel, if/when we are bombing their countries.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 10:43:31 PM   
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you could be right there Bama...........I only know the version of history I was taught in British schools and as you may have figured out, that was more than slightly biased towards the Brits always being the good guys and anything that didn't reflect on them really well, was skipped over very briefly. I think the American Revolution took all of 20 minutes one afternoon *LOL* and if I remember rightly, the Brits almost had to force you to take America as a gift from a loving King George *LOLOL*

LOL
I remember a British actress on Jhonny Carson ( yes that long ago) who said that the American Revolution was that we had some disagreement with the Crown, so they gave us our indipendence.

However I suspect that you got a much better view of European and in particular British history.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 11:01:17 PM   
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It wasn't until I left school and began buying and acquiring by other methods, books of my own, that I discovered the Brits WEREN'T always the good guys in shining armour and when I went to sea and sailed with a variety of nationalities, ( especially the Irish *smile*), that I found out what a bunch of thorough-going bastards they really were. I would guess this would apply to more nationalities than just the Brits too *smile*.
I remember quizzing my dad about what HIS dad had told him about the Easter Rising in 1916. It differed so far rom what the Micks on the ships had told me that it might have been two separate conflicts *smile*.............and the Black and Tans were just misguided, over-enthusiastic patriots *LOL*. So basically, it all comes down to where you are standing when you come to view the scenery I guess.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/12/2016 11:18:23 PM   
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"Sure they need help, but do you really think we are obligated to destroy our societies to do so? "

Problem is that the US destroyed their societies so it has a hard time keeping footing on the moral ground.

I agree, keep them out, but stop fucking attacking them.

T^T


We are in a world wide conundrum here.
I have wondered how the refugees feel, if/when we are bombing their countries.

The Moslems we aren't bombing kill more of ISIS than we do,by far.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/13/2016 12:23:52 AM   
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It wasn't until I left school and began buying and acquiring by other methods, books of my own, that I discovered the Brits WEREN'T always the good guys in shining armour and when I went to sea and sailed with a variety of nationalities, ( especially the Irish *smile*), that I found out what a bunch of thorough-going bastards they really were. I would guess this would apply to more nationalities than just the Brits too *smile*.
I remember quizzing my dad about what HIS dad had told him about the Easter Rising in 1916. It differed so far rom what the Micks on the ships had told me that it might have been two separate conflicts *smile*.............and the Black and Tans were just misguided, over-enthusiastic patriots *LOL*. So basically, it all comes down to where you are standing when you come to view the scenery I guess.

A line from a James Garner series, how ignorant you are depends on where you are standing at the moment.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/13/2016 12:26:04 AM   
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It wasn't until I left school and began buying and acquiring by other methods, books of my own, that I discovered the Brits WEREN'T always the good guys in shining armour and when I went to sea and sailed with a variety of nationalities, ( especially the Irish *smile*), that I found out what a bunch of thorough-going bastards they really were. I would guess this would apply to more nationalities than just the Brits too *smile*.
I remember quizzing my dad about what HIS dad had told him about the Easter Rising in 1916. It differed so far rom what the Micks on the ships had told me that it might have been two separate conflicts *smile*.............and the Black and Tans were just misguided, over-enthusiastic patriots *LOL*. So basically, it all comes down to where you are standing when you come to view the scenery I guess.

Here it was kind of strange.
The English were knights in shinning armor except during the Revolution, and the War of 1812.

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/13/2016 12:36:51 AM   
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Funny though Bama; In Ireland, Australia and France, they were always pricks and are still usually looked on as such *smile*.

I have a question for all on this thread, apropos of something but I'm not completely sure what...............What are the TOTAL populations of all the countries the refuges are getting out of ( due to warfare etc) and what are the total populations of all the countries they could possibly be going too ? I wonder what proportion or percentage of the populations of those countries the refugees would eventually make up ?

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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/13/2016 4:37:54 AM   
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The fact that people are fleeing countries run by islamic laws and it has proven to be completely chaotic.


People are not fleeing countries run by islamic laws. Some people are fleeing countries where war is going on.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



The condition for their refugee status in being able to resettle in the new country is logically to give up Islam.


Why is that logical to anyone except a bigot like you?

To me, it's very fair. They have given the religion a fair chance. It fucked up their country.


How was it religion that phoqued their country?

So time to choose something else that can result in peaceful countries. If they don't want the same chaos to happen in their new country, they should give up what brought on that chaos.


That would mean giving up wars of agrandisement not their religion.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed - 8/13/2016 4:39:59 AM   
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That time is long gone.
When Saladin took Jerusalem the standard paractice was to sell anyone who couldn't pay a rasome into slavery. A century later another Arab leader just killed everyone in cities he captured to scare the next city into surrender without a fight. And look at the places these people are fleeing. Failure to accept their particular brand of Islam warrents a death penalty.


This would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion until such time as you can validate your musing and rememberings from watching t.v.

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