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Awareness -> RE: Middle East & West - Western society forever changed (8/14/2016 8:02:12 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Marini
I want to make a few points that I never see addressed here.
I don't want to debate whose "fault" it is that millions of Muslims are fleeing into the West.
I want to discuss the idea of acceptance, that the West will be completely and forever changed by what is occurring.
Fact is, they are fleeing, even the men of fighting age don't want to stay in the countries they are fleeing, and few if any of them
will ever want to return.
The western world will be changed forever.
I agree with a lot of what Awareness states, and I agree with a lot of what his distractors are also saying.
** Both sides can be right!**
The problem I have with both sides, is no-one has any idea how things are going to be in the long run.
The point is we don't know what is going to happen in 50-100 years, and there is not much that can be done to change it.
I don't need to quote anyone, a link for this or that, at some point people must use common sense.
The whole damn world is drastically changing before your eyes, do you need a link for that?
Of course, there are going to be so many cultural clashes, that eventually they won't be news worthy.
I fully expect the issue of Muslim rights to become eventual daily chat.
We can expect that the states will be sued to provide alternative Muslim schools for children, etc.
It's going to be par for the course, so please don't be surprised.
Oh it's going to happen.
One thing that needs to be stated that we WILL become used to occasional terrorist activity, we have to.
I believe 95% of those fleeing their countries, are probably peaceful.
To say that you know for a fact that none of them are terrorists or prone to becoming radicalized makes you a liar, because no one knows how this is going to end up, because we have never had millions of middle eastern Muslims fleeing their countries before.
We do know that every now and then there WILL be terrorist activities by those that are {terrorists, radicalized, disenfranchised, disillusioned, or mentally ill}.
They are here, millions more are coming, the West will be FOREVER changed, almost none of them want to go back from the countries they are fleeing, and we must get used to a new reality.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm saying that it is a new reality, and the only thing you can be sure of is,
the West will be changed forever.
To say the West will not be changed, makes you disengenious at best.
The change is just starting, and it's a done deal.
Accommodation of Islam leads to the creation of a hostile nation-state within your own borders. It leads to Pakistan, a violent Islamic takeover of a section of India. I fully expect to see this replicated within Germany, the UK and Sweden over the next decade or so as Islamic imperialism is accommodated by leftist stupidity in the name of "diversity".
Which way the West will flip depends largely upon eliminating the influence of the left's identity politics. If it continues to gain hold there's a real danger that Western societies will self-destruct by welcoming and accommodating a hostile culture whose explicit aim is the destruction of other cultures and the establishment of a world-wide Islamic Caliphate.
There's a core of American citizens who will fight that to their last breath. The result will be internal cultural violence which will continue as leftist traitors to their nation attempt to voice diversity values upon an unwilling populace.
At this point, I have to mention the sheer, utter lunacy of bringing in a group whose fundamental creed is amongst the most violent on Earth into a free society which has the easiest access to weapons in the world. Islamic society is fundamentally unstable - Muslim men are astonishingly weak and easy to bait with attacks upon their manhood. There's a large proportion of Western women who don't like them. What do you think is going to happen when Islamic weakness meets Western values including women's independence? Violence. A lot of violence.
It's only through corruption that Hillary Clinton sits atop the DNC throne. The left's commitment to ideological purity won't allow for an honest politician, which is why they absolutely would not allow Bernie to be elected. The result is an electorate who largely despises their own candidate and will have little tolerance for her when she inevitably goes back on her campaign promises and statements of intent. Trump's self-destruction is pretty much ensuring her election but I doubt she'll be re-elected.
Still, that gives her four years to continue promoting leftist identity politics and the damage she'll do during that time will be considerable. The question is how short a leash she'll be on during that time and at this point, I think our best hope is that the Democrat's almost inevitable majority in the House and Senate is so slim that it relies upon the Bernie candidates.
As for the rest of the West? Germany is fucked. France, less so - they've seen what Muslims do when let into their country. England is gone, there'll be a major terrorist attack within 5 years and the government will probably respond by blaming the population and making more accommodations to Islam.
Nationalism is rising in Australia, there's considerable opposition to the selling of assets to foreigners - particularly the Chinese - and there's considerable anti-Islamic sentiment in the country - long may it continue. I think distance and stubbornness will make the Islamic conquest of Australia somewhat more difficult.
(Although at this point, I'll mention that opposition to Islam should be political. It should be expressed at the ballot box. It should not be spitting at a Muslim in the street, at calling them names, at ostracising them in social gatherings or committing violence against them as individuals. It should be opposing motions from Muslims aimed at accommodating their religion. It should be expressed in PTA groups, community groups and anywhere else where Islam tries to gain special accommodation and increase its foothold in our society.)
Part of the problem here is that so many people are utterly ignorant of cultural warfare and what it means for their society. America, for example, is a nation of immigrants bound together by shared values, shared notions of what it means to be American. They come for the promise that America holds for them - partially seduced by the idea of lifestyle, but ultimately to buy into that shared idea of what being American means.
Muslims don't. They come because they see a country they can try and take for their own. They see weakness in openness. Accommodation is a foothold through which they try and strangle American values. They see a rich country which should belong to Islam in the name of Allah. And their ultimate goal is the elimination of American values and their replacement with Islamic dogma. The building of mosques, the suing for special accommodations, the exploitation of American freedom so they can spread their creed - this is why they're here.
The Left's approach is to use the Islamic version of the "Magical Negro" trope. Instead you have the "Magical Muslim" who only speaks truth, never lies to your face and just wants to live in peace. In the Left's mind, Muslims aren't fully human because they never lie and deceive. Only people who speak loudly lie and deceive - anyone who speaks with a soft voice is IMPLICITLY trustworthy.
It goes without saying, that the Left really aren't too swift on the uptake and aren't all that smart when it comes to reading people.
Ironically, the struggle for America's soul is between the insane identity politics of the Left and the racism and nationalist fervour of the right. Neither are particularly appealing and at this point, they're both making the Libertarians look good. However ultimately the theocratic foundation of Islam ties right in with the autocratic beliefs of the Left and so the struggle against the Left is inherently the struggle against Islam - and vice versa. The Left believes that government should enforce "appropriate" behaviour at the point of a gun and their totalitarian approach to society makes them dangerous.
The struggle against the cancer that is feminism is one part of the struggle against the Left. By opposing feminism we can begin to topple the religious belief of the Left and start having debates which hinge on evidence and reason, rather than "feelings". It's only through reasoned debate and examination of evidence that our societies can make wise long-term decisions - and that will not happen while we tolerate a political movement opposed to dealing with reality.
Oh, I don't expect much of a response, because a fair amount of you are rabid Leftists and are thus - how can I put it in your terms - "intellectually challenged".
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