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I find that 14 million figure extremely hard to believe. The population of the country was like 30 million. Are you (they) telling me they held slave stronger and more agilent than them with those numbers ? What, was every other White a straw boss ?

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What isn't discussed enough when riots happen and neighborhoods burn is the one thing most common to all these decaying urban tinderboxes.
They're run by Democrats.

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Herr Streicher,

you never seem to miss an opportunity to bait the jews do you ? No matter what the thread is, it will always come around to the point that the jews are to blame for everything. Yes, of course there were jewish slave traders, along with muslims, baptists, catholics and bloody tree worshippers. The same applies to bankers, arms manufacturers and managers of cleaning shops probably. I know plenty of jews as well, who are just rubbing by, from wage to wage, just like the goyim.

I haven't seen your newspaper on the newsstands for 71 years now..............is something wrong ? Or is it something the jews said ?

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I find that 14 million figure extremely hard to believe. The population of the country was like 30 million. Are you (they) telling me they held slave stronger and more agilent than them with those numbers ? What, was every other White a straw boss ?

The United States is not the only nation in the Americas. Estimates are that about 500,000 of the total were brought to the slave states.

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I don't believe Newark and New York were unique but a lot of white people and manufacturing jobs bailed out of the urban areas.


A few years ago people were complaining about "white flight" from Montgomery.
They even did a study to prove how bad it was.
Turned out that blacks were getting out of Montgomery as fast as they could as well.
What is often assumed to be "White flight" is more often those who want a better life for their families, blacks and whites flee the cesspools that many cities have become.

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I find that 14 million figure extremely hard to believe.

That is because you are too phoquing stupid to do any research.


The population of the country was like 30 million. Are you (they) telling me they held slave stronger and more agilent than them with those numbers ? What, was every other White a straw boss ?


Who had the guns the slaves or the slave owners?

They couldn't pick cotton when they were all chained up, yet the Whites still maintained control. Really. And how many families even owned slaves ?


The records that you are too phoquing lazy to look up ,indicate that about a third of those in the south owned slaves.


Seriously, 14 million of them ? Fuck, with their reproduction rate they would be in the majority by now unless the liberal gibberish is correct and that many of them were killed. And I don't believe that either. They cost money.


Google could be your friend here.

What's more, before the civil war some secessionist states had already outlawed the importation of more slaves.

The history books say you are full of shit. The history books say that the u.s. government outlawed the slave trade in 1808.

https://books.google.com/books?id=O3-7DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA205&lpg=PA205&dq=the+u.s.outlaw+the+slave+trade&source=bl&ots=3mc_T5pLBU&sig=UcrQoq1o8Kv4gX7NTI1A9HAGiI0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigo-f1m9LOAhWK6yYKHTsnA_4Q6AEIGzAB#v=onepage&q=the%20u.s.outlaw%20the%20slave%20trade&f=false



But they did not free the slaves. And the emancipation proclamation did not free slave in non-rebel states. Yeah, that is the moral high ground eh ? Buncha shit.

What is your point?

We keep finding out that the official version of history is not quite right.

Perhaps that is because you are slower than your peers?


Next comes the persecution that befell the D6MRD crowd. There simply weren't six million of them.


Not according to the facts.

Now we have that one of the biggest slave holders was Black !

You are a liar.


But why not, they sold each other.

Half truth whole lie.

And Jew lovers deny that Jews traded in slaves but they were the biggest slave traders of all.

How about a cite for this bit of bullshit?


Even Whites, one Pope complained about them forcibly circumcising Gentile slaves. Well remember when the Pharoh said "Never let a Hebrew sit on the throne of Egypt" ? Well he has a reason and it is in the Bible. Well that Pope did not just come up with that out of his head.


Which of the popes are you speaking of?

People will enslave each other if they figure they can. I figure about half the people have that in their nature.

But you are using a damaged central cortex to figure with.

And I do not mean that in the nice way like in a relationship. but it still happens in relationships non-consenstually. One partner is the stronger, and dominates, and the other does not like it but has nowhere else to go or is afraid. Happens all the time.

One of the things I want to know is why slaves did not get all together and even if the straw boss had a gun, charge him and only one of them dies, but he gets torn to shreds. Then march to Massa's house and tear the fuck out of it. You know when one of them pulls a gun on a cop and gets shot they are perfectly capable of tearing up a chicken joint they just ate at last night. Is this savagery an acquired talent or what ?



"A well armed militia being necessary to the security of a free state...yawn

Too much shit makes no sense.

It seldom does to the ignorant.

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What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

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I find that 14 million figure extremely hard to believe. The population of the country was like 30 million. Are you (they) telling me they held slave stronger and more agilent than them with those numbers ? What, was every other White a straw boss ?

The United States is not the only nation in the Americas. Estimates are that about 500,000 of the total were brought to the slave states.

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I don't believe Newark and New York were unique but a lot of white people and manufacturing jobs bailed out of the urban areas.


A few years ago people were complaining about "white flight" from Montgomery.
They even did a study to prove how bad it was.
Turned out that blacks were getting out of Montgomery as fast as they could as well.
What is often assumed to be "White flight" is more often those who want a better life for their families, blacks and whites flee the cesspools that many cities have become.

You are absolutely right, Bama. However, the movement of Middle Class blacks has compounded the dire situation of the core cities.

The fault line is not just growth vs. loss; it also harbors a racial component. The shrinking cities are 73 percent black, overall, and the growing cities are 12 percent black, overall.

The overall changes in population mapped by The News "suggest a great deal of movement in and around Birmingham in the past 10 years," said Theresa Davidson, a sociologist at Samford University.

The shrinking cities, she observed, have lost both blacks and whites but retain a higher proportion of blacks.

"This is a trend we've seen across the U.S. since the 1970s and the loss of manufacturing jobs," Davidson said. "White flight and middle-class black flight from the inner cities have generally left behind a population that is particularly disadvantaged."

"Thus, many cities around the country, and the city of Birmingham is clearly no exception, experience concentrated and sustained poverty," she said. "These are areas where residents have very low levels of human capital -- education, job skills, etc. -- ineffective social networks, and thus limited ability to alter their own circumstances."

Furthermore, as upwardly mobile residents abandon the city, she explained, they take resources with them, so the city will have fewer retail businesses and other services and fewer job opportunities.

"Historically, this means areas will experience higher crime, higher school dropout rates, more single-parent households and other aspects of social disorganization," Davidson said. "If these areas remain neglected and abandoned, we will see intergenerational poverty and all the disadvantages that go along with that reality."



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I don't believe Newark and New York were unique but a lot of white people and manufacturing jobs bailed out of the urban areas.


A few years ago people were complaining about "white flight" from Montgomery.
They even did a study to prove how bad it was.
Turned out that blacks were getting out of Montgomery as fast as they could as well.
What is often assumed to be "White flight" is more often those who want a better life for their families, blacks and whites flee the cesspools that many cities have become.

You are absolutely right, Bama. However, the movement of Middle Class blacks has compounded the dire situation of the core cities.

The fault line is not just growth vs. loss; it also harbors a racial component. The shrinking cities are 73 percent black, overall, and the growing cities are 12 percent black, overall.

The overall changes in population mapped by The News "suggest a great deal of movement in and around Birmingham in the past 10 years," said Theresa Davidson, a sociologist at Samford University.

The shrinking cities, she observed, have lost both blacks and whites but retain a higher proportion of blacks.

"This is a trend we've seen across the U.S. since the 1970s and the loss of manufacturing jobs," Davidson said. "White flight and middle-class black flight from the inner cities have generally left behind a population that is particularly disadvantaged."

"Thus, many cities around the country, and the city of Birmingham is clearly no exception, experience concentrated and sustained poverty," she said. "These are areas where residents have very low levels of human capital -- education, job skills, etc. -- ineffective social networks, and thus limited ability to alter their own circumstances."

Furthermore, as upwardly mobile residents abandon the city, she explained, they take resources with them, so the city will have fewer retail businesses and other services and fewer job opportunities.

"Historically, this means areas will experience higher crime, higher school dropout rates, more single-parent households and other aspects of social disorganization," Davidson said. "If these areas remain neglected and abandoned, we will see intergenerational poverty and all the disadvantages that go along with that reality."



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That is economics. More blacks , proportionally, live in poverty and those people are traped in the cities. Then they keep voteng in people who treat them like helpless childrem at best, like surfs at worst. The mayor in Baltimore with her give them room to destroy order was sacrificing young blacks for a couple of points of popularity.

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What isn't discussed enough when riots happen and neighborhoods burn is the one thing most common to all these decaying urban tinderboxes.
They're run by Democrats.

Actually, there is much truth in what you say.

After International Harvester replaced uncountable number of cotton picking jobs with their new combine there was a second migration of unskilled and poorly educated blacks to the northern cities looking for work.

There were two responses to this new migration. The Dems, from the Federal level on down encouraged urban renewal projects and mortgage red-lining and secondly, there was a mass movement of white people from out of the urban areas into the suburbs. I was teaching in a rural New Jersey township when this happened and witnessed the new housing boom where there had been idle farm land. My District had to quickly build a new high school to accommodate the immigrants from NYC and Long Island.

Along with the educated whites there was also movement of light industries out to the burbs to new industrial parks.

I don't believe Newark and New York were unique but a lot of white people and manufacturing jobs bailed out of the urban areas.

However, the door to offshoring jobs lays at the dead feet of President Reagan, and certainly this historic off shoring of American labor contributed mightily to the loss of jobs in major cities like Detroit, I would think.


The impetus for NAFTA actually began with President Ronald Reagan, who campaigned on a North American common market. In 1984, Congress passed the Trade and Tariff Act.

This is important because it gave the President "fast-track" authority to negotiate free trade agreements, while only allowing Congress the ability to approve or disapprove, not change negotiating points. Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney agreed with Reagan to begin negotiations for the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, which was signed in 1988, went into effect in 1989 and is now suspended since it's no longer neeeded. (Source: NaFina, NAFTA Timeline)

The first NAFTA agreement was signed by GHW Bush. The revised agreement was signed by Bill Clinton.

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So, blaming the Dems has merit but it is not all so simple as that. Their reactions to an historical migration was in hind sight a disaster although probably inevitable given the events. But, Dem politicians are not alone responsible for the ghetto-ization of the great northern cities, imo.

And I think the problem is not so easily solved. As i have said it is an historic problem. However, it has been compounded by distrust of the police in the inner cities and ring suburbs, and that can be solved. Did you know that American police killed over 1000 civilians in 2015 and about 20% were unarmed according to this source?

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I don't believe Newark and New York were unique but a lot of white people and manufacturing jobs bailed out of the urban areas.


A few years ago people were complaining about "white flight" from Montgomery.
They even did a study to prove how bad it was.
Turned out that blacks were getting out of Montgomery as fast as they could as well.
What is often assumed to be "White flight" is more often those who want a better life for their families, blacks and whites flee the cesspools that many cities have become.

You are absolutely right, Bama. However, the movement of Middle Class blacks has compounded the dire situation of the core cities.

The fault line is not just growth vs. loss; it also harbors a racial component. The shrinking cities are 73 percent black, overall, and the growing cities are 12 percent black, overall.

The overall changes in population mapped by The News "suggest a great deal of movement in and around Birmingham in the past 10 years," said Theresa Davidson, a sociologist at Samford University.

The shrinking cities, she observed, have lost both blacks and whites but retain a higher proportion of blacks.

"This is a trend we've seen across the U.S. since the 1970s and the loss of manufacturing jobs," Davidson said. "White flight and middle-class black flight from the inner cities have generally left behind a population that is particularly disadvantaged."

"Thus, many cities around the country, and the city of Birmingham is clearly no exception, experience concentrated and sustained poverty," she said. "These are areas where residents have very low levels of human capital -- education, job skills, etc. -- ineffective social networks, and thus limited ability to alter their own circumstances."

Furthermore, as upwardly mobile residents abandon the city, she explained, they take resources with them, so the city will have fewer retail businesses and other services and fewer job opportunities.

"Historically, this means areas will experience higher crime, higher school dropout rates, more single-parent households and other aspects of social disorganization," Davidson said. "If these areas remain neglected and abandoned, we will see intergenerational poverty and all the disadvantages that go along with that reality."



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That is economics. More blacks , proportionally, live in poverty and those people are traped in the cities. Then they keep voteng in people who treat them like helpless childrem at best, like surfs at worst. The mayor in Baltimore with her give them room to destroy order was sacrificing young blacks for a couple of points of popularity.

Of course, it is economics, and economics is a greater force than politics not only in the inner cities. Mines and manufacturing have closed across the country. Actually, although i think he is a nasty mother fucker arrogant turd and would never want him as president Trump, imo, is right about the disaster of these free trade deals and the off-shoring of jobs. As far as i know the only way to stop that would be to raise tariffs quite high, but that would be a bigger disaster. Furthermore, job displacement by new technology and automation are issues totally ignored. The big hurt is going to spread in the years ahead. Where the fuck is Paul Revere when we really need him?

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What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

That is "white thinking" and ignoring realities, Butch. See my reply to Bama at post 327.