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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 1:55:18 PM   
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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 1:55:31 PM   
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. Calling other people racists for letting you know that they been the victim of white male privilege,(and just plain racism.) also contributes to the problem. - I know I've told u so on other threads.


I never said that you have never faced discrimination, but you remind me of a guy I used to work with who thought every problem any black person had except maybe the common cold was a white plot. No black person was ever, according to him, or you , responsible for their own problems if there was some way to blame a white person for it.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 1:58:30 PM   
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3. Telling me I am a racist for not wanting anyone to have privilege, (no white privilege, no black privilege, no male privilege, no woman privilege, or no person who is a funny looking shade of chartreuse and has body parts from both sexes privilege either.) Also is contributing to the problem.


You believe in "affirmative action" don't you?
You want the government to have programms that are designed to help black people don't you?

Those are both black privilage.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 2:00:37 PM   
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I know ur CONservative, and all you really care about is keeping the gop status quo, ....but even you can't be as dense as a box of rocks to not see whats happening and or why people of color are upset, angry, and unfortunately increasingly violent.

You are clearly, by this statement, to dense to realize that being conservative and being Republican are not at all the same thing.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 2:06:11 PM   
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I never said that you used the Hitler card, I said that "white privilage " is the same kind of scapegoating that racists have used since the begining of time.

I never used the term "white privilege."

I am saying that you are playing the Hitler card, and you are when you compare white privilege accusations to the international Jewish conspiracy, which you did.

In a later thread i see you accused me of being racist. Evidence?

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Don't compare the number of blacks and whites to the total population, compare them to the % of violent crimes committed you will find that 52% of violent crimes are committed by blacks


Selective bullshit by you. According to the data presented in this FBI table 52.2% of murders and nonnegligent manslaughter were committed by blacks vs. 45.3% by whites. Blacks committed 56.4% of robberies compared to 41.9% by whites.

But, and this is Big Fucking "But" #1 . . . .

Whites excelled in rape: 66.2%, aggravated assault: 62.9%, burglary: 67.5%, larceny-theft: 68.3%, motor vehicle theft: 66.7%, arson: 74.1%, and so on.

Big Fucking "But" #2 . . . .

In the category of all violent crimes whites 58.4%, blacks: 38.7%

Incidentally, for those who jabber on about empathy for people's property, whites committed 68.2% of all property crimes but only 29% by blacks.

So, you don't know what you're talking about. I mean you are just ignorant or deceitful in cheery picking data.

Oh well if blacks only commit 52% of murders then there is no problem.
Every one of your stats show blacks committing a dispropotionate share of crime compared to their population, this still means they will have a dispropotionate share of violent conflict with the cops. even though you have provided proof of this higher crime rate you insist that blacks are being gunned down for no reason, as far as I am conserned you are blind to the facts if race is envolved, that makes you a racist.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 2:24:22 PM   
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So BamaD, how does one get justice if the systems in place do not provide it?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 2:40:00 PM   
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"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character"
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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 2:53:26 PM   
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So BamaD, how does one get justice if the systems in place do not provide it?

Most of these problems happen in the major cities.
The people who claim they can't get justice keep voting in the same people and then blame people who have no power in their districts.
The prosecutor in Baltimore and the one in NY need to be removed.
The city government in New York demanded that the cops agresively enforce that stupid loosey law. That led directly to the Gardner situation. In a case were the "best" they could do was negligent homocide, or maybe manslaughter the prosecuter decided to granstand and go for murder one. No chance to win, but they got to play to the grandstands about police brutality. In Baltimore there was no more than negligent homocide an the prosecutor not only went for murder, but charged anyone near the van, including motorcycle cops who talked to the driver when he was stopped. Again no chance at conviction. They need to vote in people who will provide justice, not witch hunts. If there was even a chance they would vote Republican they would get better Democrats. Stop puting themselves in possitions where these things happen. Blacks committ a grossly disproportionate % of the crimes in the country, then are told that the cops are out to get them. This leads to an even greater proportion of violent confrontations. VOTE FOR BETTER PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF PARTY.
The riots in the 60s didn't advance Civil Rights they made it harder.
When people burn down their own neighboorhood because a guy got shot when he pulled a gun on a cop they discredit every complaint they have. You want to be treated like a responsible citizen be one.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 2:54:38 PM   
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Selective bullshit by you. According to the data presented in this FBI table 52.2% of murders and nonnegligent manslaughter were committed by blacks vs. 45.3% by whites. Blacks committed 56.4% of robberies compared to 41.9% by whites.

But, and this is Big Fucking "But" #1 . . . .

Whites excelled in rape: 66.2%, aggravated assault: 62.9%, burglary: 67.5%, larceny-theft: 68.3%, motor vehicle theft: 66.7%, arson: 74.1%, and so on.

Big Fucking "But" #2 . . . .

In the category of all violent crimes whites 58.4%, blacks: 38.7%

Incidentally, for those who jabber on about empathy for people's property, whites committed 68.2% of all property crimes but only 29% by blacks.

So, you don't know what you're talking about. I mean you are just ignorant or deceitful in cheery picking data.

None of those numbers really mean anything without putting them in the context of population demographics. On the 2010 U.S. Census, non-Hispanic whites represented 63.7% of the population and non-Hispanic blacks 12.2% (source). So for example, taking the homicide data you cite:

White: 45.3/63.7=0.71
Black: 52.2/12.2=4.28

Thus blacks commit homicide at about 6 times (4.28/0.71=6.03) the rate of whites, and applying the same analysis to the other percentages you cite reveals smaller but still significant discrepancies in the same direction.

K.


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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 2:54:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character"
MLK


Good advice for both black and white people.


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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 3:28:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character"
MLK


Good advice for both black and white people.


Its damn good advice for human people.

Brings to mind Jim Murray's famous quote about Jesse Owens.
"He's a credit to his race-the human race."

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 3:50:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kana

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character"
MLK

Good advice for both black and white people.

Its damn good advice for human people.

Brings to mind Jim Murray's famous quote about Jesse Owens.
"He's a credit to his race-the human race."

Following on that theme...

We are all more simply human than otherwise. ~Harry Stack Sullivan

K.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 3:55:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kana

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character"
MLK


Good advice for both black and white people.


Its damn good advice for human people.

Brings to mind Jim Murray's famous quote about Jesse Owens.
"He's a credit to his race-the human race."

I only used black and white due to thread context, but, of course, you are correct.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 3:59:55 PM   
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None of those numbers really mean anything without putting them in the context of population demographics. On the 2010 U.S. Census, non-Hispanic whites represented 63.7% of the population and non-Hispanic blacks 12.2% (source). So for example, taking the homicide data you cite:

White: 45.3/63.7=0.71
Black: 52.2/12.2=4.28

Thus blacks commit homicide at about 6 times (4.28/0.71=6.03) the rate of whites, and applying the same analysis to the other percentages you cite reveals smaller but still significant discrepancies in the same direction.


As usual, you make a good point, and i respect that.

So, let's define "demographics" (your word) (from Dictionary.com)

the statistical data of a population, especially those showing average age, income, education, etc.

Your analysis of the numbers i presented (at the insistence of Bama, I should add) did not include poverty levels of the pertinent populations.

Lets look at the numbers for all violent crimes

White: 58.4/63.7 = 0.92
Blacks: 38.7/12.2 = 3.17

With respect to all violent crimes the ratio is 3.45:1.0

The poverty rates i posted earlier were:

Whites: 9.7%
Blacks: 27.2%

So, the poverty ratio is 2.80:1.0

I will admit the difference of 0.61 between the two numbers is not insignificant but nowhere near the 6:1 ratio you posted.

I would guess (because i do not wish to make this my new career) that other demographics like single mother households, school drop out rates, jobless rates, etc. would bring the two ratios even closer to each other.

You made a challenging point, K, but your analysis is incomplete.

Regards . . .



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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 4:04:35 PM   
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Brings to mind Jim Murray's famous quote about Jesse Owens.
"He's a credit to his race-the human race."

Whitewashing (pun intended) that America continues to have serious racial disparities. But, maybe it makes you feel all warm and cozy inside.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 4:05:02 PM   
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So BamaD, how does one get justice if the systems in place do not provide it?

I again give you MLK, from his nobel prize acceptance

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I accept the Nobel Prize for Peace at a moment when 22 million Negroes of the United States of America are engaged in a creative battle to end the long night of racial injustice. I accept this award on behalf of a civil rights movement which is moving with determination and a majestic scorn for risk and danger to establish a reign of freedom and a rule of justice. I am mindful that only yesterday in Birmingham, Alabama, our children, crying out for brotherhood, were answered with fire hoses, snarling dogs and even death. I am mindful that only yesterday in Philadelphia, Mississippi, young people seeking to secure the right to vote were brutalized and murdered. And only yesterday more than 40 houses of worship in the State of Mississippi alone were bombed or burned because they offered a sanctuary to those who would not accept segregation. I am mindful that debilitating and grinding poverty afflicts my people and chains them to the lowest rung of the economic ladder.

Therefore, I must ask why this prize is awarded to a movement which is beleaguered and committed to unrelenting struggle; to a movement which has not won the very peace and brotherhood which is the essence of the Nobel Prize.
Sooner or later all the people of the world will have to discover a way to live together in peace ...

After contemplation, I conclude that this award which I receive on behalf of that movement is a profound recognition that nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral question of our time - the need for man to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to violence and oppression. Civilization and violence are antithetical concepts. Negroes of the United States, following the people of India, have demonstrated that nonviolence is not sterile passivity, but a powerful moral force which makes for social transformation. Sooner or later all the people of the world will have to discover a way to live together in peace, and thereby transform this pending cosmic elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. If this is to be achieved, man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.

The tortuous road which has led from Montgomery, Alabama to Oslo bears witness to this truth. This is a road over which millions of Negroes are travelling to find a new sense of dignity. This same road has opened for all Americans a new era of progress and hope. It has led to a new Civil Rights Bill, and it will, I am convinced, be widened and lengthened into a super highway of justice as Negro and white men in increasing numbers create alliances to overcome their common problems.

I accept this award today with an abiding faith in America and an audacious faith in the future of mankind. I refuse to accept despair as the final response to the ambiguities of history. I refuse to accept the idea that the "isness" of man's present nature makes him morally incapable of reaching up for the eternal "oughtness" that forever confronts him. I refuse to accept the idea that man is mere flotsom and jetsom in the river of life, unable to influence the unfolding events which surround him. I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality.


In a democratic society, seek change through nonviolent opposition, use the vote and most important of all, get educated, get jobs, grow strong families,change the system from within.
Take the moral high ground. Keep that high ground no matter what.
"Be the change you seek in the world"

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 4:09:37 PM   
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Not a bias... just greed... In almost every story they leave out important details, speculate, and print headlines designed to inflame groups of people to increase circulation.

How many times do we read or hear... Another unarmed black man killed by a white police officer... when the actual story is black man tries to get officers gun and is killed in the struggle. Yet you hear nothing of the white man shot by police or the hundreds of blacks murdered by blacks for every one killed by police... that is old hat and happens every day... not worth anything but a small paragraph on page 9.

Butch

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 4:19:03 PM   
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People destroy another's property because... reasons. People hack innocents to death because... reasons. But reason neither explains nor justifies their actions. It serves only to rationalize their pathological lack of empathy for the affected victims. Neither jobs nor benefits will cure that.

Remaining blind to the impact of outsourcing and technological revolutions on the plight of the poor will not solve a problem that shows promise of getting worse; nor will inventing some imagined lack of empathy help reduce the isolation of the disadvantaged into ghettos.

Ferchrissake, Vincent, read what it says and stop listening to your lamp-socket. Nobody is inventing a merely "imagined" lack of empathy, and nobody is remaining blind to anything except you.

K.


Let’s be honest here. None of us who are white knows what it is like to be black, jobless, and poorly educated in America. Maybe frustration trumps empathy.

And interestingly enough, until the Great Sociaty was initiated blacks consistently had higher rates of employment, black families were intact and emphasized education to better themselves. It took just sixty years of liberal empathy to destroy the black culture.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 4:23:09 PM   
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It's also been governed by the liberal failed policies for decades.

Actually, it is due to Neo-liberalism economic policy, which is not at all anything like FDR Liberalism but very much in line with small government, reduced regulations, free market corporatism. I would be surprised you did not know that neo-liberalism replaced Keynesian economics in the hearts of Republican politicos. Are you trying to bullshit me to believing that big government liberalism lead to the out sourcing of so much of our manufacturing jobs and that big government liberalism automated so much of the remaining factories? If that is your thesis, you should be embarrassed.

Lol, I love socialists. It's always someone else's fault. Their system has never worked and has always exasperated bad situations. But, it's always someone else's fault. Way to be exactly stereotype VML.

People destroy another's property because... reasons. People hack innocents to death because... reasons. But reason neither explains nor justifies their actions. It serves only to rationalize their pathological lack of empathy for the affected victims. Neither jobs nor benefits will cure that.

K.


Jobs? What jobs? Low skill jobs are disappearing and those that remain pay less than a living wage.

Rising job skill requirements were a signature feature of the U.S. economy in the 20th century.

Technological change, shifts in the global geography of production, and large investments in human capital slowed or reversed the growth of jobs comprised of physical, routine tasks while prompting rapid growth in jobs requiring high levels of formal education and technical knowledge.

In 1900, agriculture and manufacturing alone employed two-
thirds of all workers, the great majority of them holding manual and routine jobs in field and factory. Much of the remaining workforce was engaged in similarly low-skill work in the Nation’s mines, shops, and offices.

As of 2000, about 38 percent of the U.S. workforce was employed in occupations requiring only low-level academic, technical, and reasoning skills; in rural America, 42.2 percent of all jobs were in such low-skill occupations, down from 44.4 percent in 1990.


source

The perception that manufacturing jobs
are highly paid disguises how many workers
are stuck at the bottom.

Today, more than 600,000 manufacturing workers
make just $9.60 per hour or less. More than 1.5 million
manufacturing workers—one out of every four—
make $11.91 or less.

In the largest segment of the manufacturing base—
automotive—wages have declined even faster.
>
Real wages for auto parts workers, who now account
for three of every four autoworker jobs, fell by nearly
14 percent from 2003 to 2013—three times faster than
for manufacturing as a whole, and nine times faster
than the decline for all occupations.
>
The growth in the number of auto parts jobs is
cause for concern, because the typical parts worker
makes one-third less than the typical auto assembly
worker, and puts downward pressure on the higher
assembly wages.



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Remaining blind to the impact of outsourcing and technological revolutions on the plight of the poor will not solve a problem that shows promise of getting worse; nor will inventing some imagined lack of empathy help reduce the isolation of the disadvantaged into ghettos.

All of the job problems you mentioned affect white people too, but you either don't know or don't care about that.


oh please bamad... they're covered under the "white male privilege" clause.... they only have those issues as much as anyone else when the gop is done using them in the elections.....

seriously, every study every done points out disproportionately people of color have those issues many times more than whites.... and u knew that before u even typed that line....



They have the same problems but since they aren't given anyone else to blame it on they are force to deal with it. Blacks on the other hand have "white privilage" to fall back on, are constatly told that no matter how hard they work it won't do any good, and that their only hope is the for libs who run the plantation to give them stuff. White privilage is 21st century Americas version of the international Jewish consperacy.


I'm pretty sure there has been complaints once or twice over immigrants taking jobs. And the Jewish conspiracy of a global takeover is now a Muslim takeover

Well...except that the "Jewish conspiracy" has always been fringe and the Moslems themselves state they intend for the entire world to bed Moslem.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/17/2016 4:27:12 PM   
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Vince if your percentages are correct 11,000,000 blacks live in poverty and 19,500,000 whites live in poverty.

You should know blacks killed by police...and not just white police...make a story... whites killed don't... News outlets have to make money. I believe it was Bama, not sure, that pointed out the number of whites shot by police and it was shrugged off because of the difference in populations.

Butch

Once in a while I don't agree with you. But, you are always sane and rational. It adds to debate. I appreciate it.

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