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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:24:54 AM   
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Telling people they live on a "plantation" because the political party that they support recognizes white male privilege and actively works to try to do something about it,..... Is contributing to the problem.


Democrats (officials, not people like you) claimed that Bush II was engaged in in voter tampering because in went to talk to the NAACP convention in 2000.
They claimed he was trying to steal THEIR VOTES. The Dems think they own you and your vote.


well the Dems DO unashamedly own MY vote because the gop has nothing in their economic, tax & sexual platform I agree with. There are a few other incidences that contributed to it, but to ME the gop & their CONservative factions.... sucks flatulent elephant ass.


BTW you never did answer, do you support affirmative action programs?

BTW, I am still waiting for your reason for calling me a racist. Or was it just out of ignorance and stupidity that you wish to hide?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:34:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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Telling people they live on a "plantation" because the political party that they support recognizes white male privilege and actively works to try to do something about it,..... Is contributing to the problem.


Democrats (officials, not people like you) claimed that Bush II was engaged in in voter tampering because in went to talk to the NAACP convention in 2000.
They claimed he was trying to steal THEIR VOTES. The Dems think they own you and your vote.


well the Dems DO unashamedly own MY vote because the gop has nothing in their economic, tax & sexual platform I agree with. There are a few other incidences that contributed to it, but to ME the gop & their CONservative factions.... sucks flatulent elephant ass.


BTW you never did answer, do you support affirmative action programs?

BTW, I am still waiting for your reason for calling me a racist. Or was it just out of ignorance and stupidity that you wish to hide?

You only see things in terms of race. White people are responsible for all the problems of the black race.
You have made it clear you really want the guy the thread is about to have been murdered by the cop because then, even though the cop was also black, you can blame the whole thing on white society, and the rioters are outraged victims, not thugs.

Even when your own stats prove and across the board higher crime rate for blacks (and as I have said there are many reasons for this and I don't consider race to be one of them) you can't divorce your self that the fact that there are more violent confrontations between the cops and blacks to have any cause other than race. The more crimes any demographic commits the more hostile interaction they will have with the cops. Till you can get past this false narrative that cops routinely gun down innocent blacks you can't get past or even see your racist tendencies. And before you tell me you don't think that is racist, I have talked to Klansmen who couldn't see how anything they did was racist.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:34:46 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMf_fswVGbM

that how I would do it. All wenches in corsets I would make immune to drago fire by hosing them down with my magnificent stream of man spunk - which is flame retardant not bunny boiler retardant as I found out to my cost and, legend has it, one throat gurgle of the vile swill brings eternal youth and forty nine shuddering orgasms that would render thee into a state of utter bliss.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:36:19 AM   
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BTW if you actually read the post you find so offensive you will notice that I was responding ,not toyou, but to itsSIRtou. And he most assuredly uses the phrase white privilage as a catch all to absolve black people of any responsiblity for their actions.


Whoever you addressed it to, even if to Jesus Christ, your comparison of accusations of white privilege to Hitler's world Jewish conspiracy smells disgusting, looks disgusting, and truly is disgusting.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:36:38 AM   
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I just saw a photo of him rowing a boat to save some folks in Baton Rouge. Seriously, FEMA is preparing to send manufacturing housing and other relief materials. What the fuck do you expect the president to do? Oh, maybe he could fly over and look around. Ah shit, that's been done.

I think it would mean a lot to the people affected to know that the President cared enough to want to see firsthand what they were going through, and for them see that he was visibly involved in making sure that everything that could be done to help them was being done.

K.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:44:21 AM   
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You only see things in terms of race. White people are responsible for all the problems of the black race.
You have made it clear you really want the guy the thread is about to have been murdered by the cop because then, even though the cop was also black, you can blame the whole thing on white society, and the rioters are outraged victims, not thugs.


Historically, white people have been responsible for the problems of the black race. How can you fucking deny that.

Racism is a power dynamic. It is the white race that has historically held power over blacks in the New World and in the African colonies.

Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?

As for the kid in this thread. I replied to Marini that i agreed it was probably a righteous shooting. Please stop your stupid lying.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:45:31 AM   
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I just saw a photo of him rowing a boat to save some folks in Baton Rouge. Seriously, FEMA is preparing to send manufacturing housing and other relief materials. What the fuck do you expect the president to do? Oh, maybe he could fly over and look around. Ah shit, that's been done.

I think it would mean a lot to the people affected to know that the President cared enough to want to see firsthand what they were going through, and for them see that he was visibly involved in making sure that everything that could be done to help them was being done.

K.


I think you're right and i hope he will when there is access to the area.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:50:06 AM   
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Even when your own stats prove and across the board higher crime rate for blacks (and as I have said there are many reasons for this and I don't consider race to be one of them) you can't divorce your self that the fact that there are more violent confrontations between the cops and blacks to have any cause other than race.


Oh no. I did not say that. The stats prove just the opposite. And i never said it was just race. You insisted i make the racial demographic comparison. My original comments were about poverty and unemployment.

If you are going to talk demographics as Kirata did, you will need a reliable multivariant analysis to come to a conclusion.

I asked the question: why do we seem to get a lot of stories from the news media about cops killing blacks.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:53:14 AM   
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BTW if you actually read the post you find so offensive you will notice that I was responding ,not toyou, but to itsSIRtou. And he most assuredly uses the phrase white privilage as a catch all to absolve black people of any responsiblity for their actions.


Whoever you addressed it to, even if to Jesus Christ, your comparison of accusations of white privilege to Hitler's world Jewish conspiracy smells disgusting, looks disgusting, and truly is disgusting.

Yes it points out how disguesting the white privilage message is.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 9:55:05 AM   
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BTW if you actually read the post you find so offensive you will notice that I was responding ,not toyou, but to itsSIRtou. And he most assuredly uses the phrase white privilage as a catch all to absolve black people of any responsiblity for their actions.


Whoever you addressed it to, even if to Jesus Christ, your comparison of accusations of white privilege to Hitler's world Jewish conspiracy smells disgusting, looks disgusting, and truly is disgusting.

Yes it points out how disguesting the white privilage message is.

So, what do you mean by white privilege?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 10:00:48 AM   
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Even when your own stats prove and across the board higher crime rate for blacks (and as I have said there are many reasons for this and I don't consider race to be one of them) you can't divorce your self that the fact that there are more violent confrontations between the cops and blacks to have any cause other than race.


Oh no. I did not say that. The stats prove just the opposite. And i never said it was just race. You insisted i make the demographic comparison. If you are going to talk demographics as Kirata did, you will need a reliable multivariant analysis to come to a conclusion.

I asked the question: why do we seem to get a lot of stories from the news media about cops killing blacks.

The stats show that across the board the black crime rate is much higher than the white crime rate. This is the time when you compare the offense numbers to the population. Sure the raw numbers are higher for some because there are more white people, but you insist that poverty is a primarily black proplem even though ther are more whites living in poverty .

You play fast and loose with your numbers, you don't just cherry pick you evaluate each set of numbers by whatever rules you have to to make one race the victims and the other what can only be discribed as evil.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 10:08:35 AM   
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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 10:11:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		So what can someone do in the face of rampant economic racist repression? What happens when the cops don't care. A relative of a friend of mine was paying protection to the crips. He got robbed and called the cops. They took a police report but said they weren't probably going to be able to do anything. He tells the crips, less than a week later he was reimbursed his stuff and money and was told the thief won't do that again. When the legal way is continuous poverty making minimum wage or selling drugs and seeking street justice, the later method will yield more fruits. And the crime rates are largely swayed by who cops go after and who can get off even when caught

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 10:23:29 AM   
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So what can someone do in the face of rampant economic racist repression? What happens when the cops don't care. A relative of a friend of mine was paying protection to the crips. He got robbed and called the cops. They took a police report but said they weren't probably going to be able to do anything. He tells the crips, less than a week later he was reimbursed his stuff and money and was told the thief won't do that again. When the legal way is continuous poverty making minimum wage or selling drugs and seeking street justice, the later method will yield more fruits. And the crime rates are largely swayed by who cops go after and who can get off even when caught

You exagerate , but who said the system was perfect? The same things happen to whites and blacks, but nobody cares when it happens to whites because that just means the cops are put in an impossible situation, and that doesn't get ratings.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 10:45:23 AM   
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The same things happen to whites and blacks, but nobody cares when it happens to whites because that just means the cops are put in an impossible situation, and that doesn't get ratings.

Why don't you care, Bama? Why do you assume because you don't care that the other 8.4 billion people on the planet agree with your assessment of their level of care on the subject? Wanna walk the statement back that "nobody" cares or are you going to stick by it and completely discard any other beliefs besides your own very narrow minded one?

I don't understand the ratings crack at all. Are you a journalist looking for ratings? I'm not and my compassion certainly isn't predicated on ratings.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 10:46:41 AM   
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So when people complain about white male privilege . . . white male privilege . . . white male privilege

You keep repeating the expression "white male privilege," but you never say precisely what you mean by it. Why don't you tell us just what you think "white male privilege" is, exactly, with some examples for clarity's sake.

Ive already said plenty....here's a whole threads worth....

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4887817/tm.htm

Yes you've said plenty, and none of it pretty.

Repudiating "us and them" dichotomies does not mean that we should never speak the ways observing the world from the standpoint of "whiteness" may indeed distort perception, impede understanding of the way racism works both in the larger world as well as the world of our intimate interactions. ~Bell Hooks

But it does mean that stereotyping whites and blacks, talking about whiteness and blackness as if these were monolithic constructs of nature and character, is racism pure and simple.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 12:14:45 PM   
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You play fast and loose with your numbers, you don't just cherry pick you evaluate each set of numbers by whatever rules you have to to make one race the victims and the other what can only be discribed as evil.


History shows who the victims are. Too bad you skipped that class.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 12:40:21 PM   
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History shows who the victims are.

Yes, but I think that in some segments of the black community the endless nursing of hatred against whites and anything that smacks of "whiteness" is doing more damage than anything whites ever did or could do.

K.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 2:36:49 PM   
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History shows who the victims are.

Yes, but I think that in some segments of the black community the endless nursing of hatred against whites and anything that smacks of "whiteness" is doing more damage than anything whites ever did or could do.

K.



K, does slavery, lynchings and Jim Crow count for little and less in your book?

As for BamaD, what part was an exaggeration? Racial hiring practices, profit margins in drug dealing vs jobs requiring a highschool degree? Terry frisk rates and small drug possession charges?

You want one really easy way to ease racial tensions? Drug law reform. First, legalize marijuana, allow use, sale and production as long as taxes are paid. Offer rehab with drug tests in lieu of time for small possession of other drugs. And apply logic to restructuring drug scheduling. The crime drop off will be immense, and not just drug crimes but property and violent crimes too. Were you an officer Bama? Or did you just hang out with a lot of cops?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/18/2016 2:49:44 PM   
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You only see things in terms of race. White people are responsible for all the problems of the black race.
You have made it clear you really want the guy the thread is about to have been murdered by the cop because then, even though the cop was also black, you can blame the whole thing on white society, and the rioters are outraged victims, not thugs.


Historically, white people have been responsible for the problems of the black race. How can you fucking deny that.

Racism is a power dynamic. It is the white race that has historically held power over blacks in the New World and in the African colonies.

Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?

As for the kid in this thread. I replied to Marini that i agreed it was probably a righteous shooting. Please stop your stupid lying.

No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

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