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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

OMFG, seriously? We take a little credit that our athletes, for whom we have far less than you for our country size compared to yours, that compete purely on their own merits whilst working full time jobs most of the time because there is sod all funding here the way you lot get, and you say that WE are the ones whining when you post all that clap trap? Our athletes do 'step the fuck up' as opposed to the relative grease sliding that you lot get to do on scholarships, grants, and funding

Are you bloody kidding me? You can't let us have a little glory without bringing up WW2, which you stepped in at the end after pissing your pants for ages and refusing to enter, have taken credit for ever since, have twisted facts in god knows how many films to glorify America even when you weren't even fucking there!

Now you want to take credit for everything else we have too? Well please, at least get your facts straight. You see the USA does NOT pay out 78% of the NATO budget. My 7 year old Granddaughter can work this one out, man you should be ashamed of yourself! You lot may pay more than the 27 other countries, but then you are far larger than everyone else too, so on a percentage we all pay our relative share. The budget is split in to three sections, and in total you still a whopping 22%. Taking the 2014-15 budget, and making the really silly first grade mistake of adding three percentages together it still wouldn't have made 78%

Now for the UN, at one time the US paid 25%, but now it pays 22%, because again everything is worked out on a country value percentage. So I have no idea where the hell you plucked your figures from, but seriously, get a grip on that.

As for our police force, you pay fuck all towards it. The largest proportion of our budget comes from our council taxes, and we are about to be privatized. Now even if we worked of the figures from the UN, and from NATO, considering that your over all expenditure is 44%, you're still talking bollocks.

Policing and protecting our country ... Uuummmm we keep getting dragging in to illegal wars by the US for fuck all reason other than to line the pockets of the rich in both our countries. The US does naff all for the UK except charge us for Trident that we can't even fricking use, and that none of us except our leaching Government want. Most of us would be more than happy for the US to fuck right off with it's wars on other countries, and to leave us out of it, because actually we are well aware of the fact that when it comes right down to it the US is only concerned for itself.

However, what the hell ANY of this has to do with us claiming a little credit for our athletes I don't know, but the fact that it's got your panties in such a twist that you have to pull this crap, and then claim that any of us are the whiners is amazing.

Needles

Are you on CRACK?

I'm just wondering.....possibly you can inform me whose ships are patrolling the worlds seas?

We don't send a bill out for that....we just do it.

Do you have ANY concept what the (INCREASED policing) bill would be to EVERY government on EARTH if not for the U.S. patrolling the entire GLOBE????

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Haha!

But aren't you even an itsy bitsy embarrassed about your national soccer team? When was the last time they dominated at world class level? (PS: We call it football here too, but for the benefits of Americans, where football means a different sport, I'm just gonna go with soccer.)

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


Are you on CRACK?

I'm just wondering.....possibly you can inform me whose ships are patrolling the worlds seas?

We don't send a bill out for that....we just do it.

Do you have ANY concept what the (INCREASED policing) bill would be to EVERY government on EARTH if not for the U.S. patrolling the entire GLOBE????

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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Are you on CRACK?

I'm just wondering.....possibly you can inform me whose ships are patrolling the worlds seas?

We don't send a bill out for that....we just do it.

Do you have ANY concept what the (INCREASED policing) bill would be to EVERY government on EARTH if not for the U.S. patrolling the entire GLOBE????

Yeah, because non of our guys are out there doing exactly the same thing. I guess all our guys must have been recalled to sit on their arses here at home. That must be why my friend's son has just come back from his latest tour, but hey, who knew that only the Americans mattered so much.

That American ego needs putting on a serious choke chain.

Needles

First of all, just for the record, the US navy does not patrol the world's seas for any other reason than for our own protection, and primarily because we have pissed so many people off in the last 30 years that any 2nd and 3rd rate navy would love to take a shot at a US flagged vessel (albeit the target selection is limited when it comes to commercial shipping.)

Secondly, the only ships in the US Navy actually assigned a patrol grid are US SSN's or nuclear attack submarines, and those are patrolling the most likely route for Russian subs to enter into the Atlantic and known areas of Russian submarine activity in the Pacific.

Third, the final reason there are so many US navy ships at sea is because, thanks to the near trillion dollars annually we spend on the military, they have to do something with the damn things.

Fourth, absolutely no country, INCLUDING the UK has asked the US to patrol the oceans (except in areas where treaties require us to be there) for any reason whatsoever.

Fifth, those US bases in Europe and elsewhere, guess what? The US is paying rent on that property! And for the most part, the locals would prefer us to be somewhere else, thanks to the paranoid security procedures out military uses.

I mean, how would you like a farm bordering on a US base and because of whatever reason, you cant get within 400 feet of the security fence of that base, even if one of your cows gets stuck there before calling up the base and asking for a security team to escort you to your cow on YOUR FUCKING LAND.

Speaking as a former member of the US Army, and knowing that a full third of our defense budget is spent on maintaining bases in some of the stupidest locations around the planet (I mean all our bases in Germany would pretty much get blasted in the first 10 minutes of hostilities if Russia moved against the west.)

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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Are you on CRACK?

I'm just wondering.....possibly you can inform me whose ships are patrolling the worlds seas?

We don't send a bill out for that....we just do it.

Do you have ANY concept what the (INCREASED policing) bill would be to EVERY government on EARTH if not for the U.S. patrolling the entire GLOBE????

Yeah, because non of our guys are out there doing exactly the same thing. I guess all our guys must have been recalled to sit on their arses here at home. That must be why my friend's son has just come back from his latest tour, but hey, who knew that only the Americans mattered so much.

That American ego needs putting on a serious choke chain.

Needles

First of all, just for the record, the US navy does not patrol the world's seas for any other reason than for our own protection, and primarily because we have pissed so many people off in the last 30 years that any 2nd and 3rd rate navy would love to take a shot at a US flagged vessel (albeit the target selection is limited when it comes to commercial shipping.)

Secondly, the only ships in the US Navy actually assigned a patrol grid are US SSN's or nuclear attack submarines, and those are patrolling the most likely route for Russian subs to enter into the Atlantic and known areas of Russian submarine activity in the Pacific.

Third, the final reason there are so many US navy ships at sea is because, thanks to the near trillion dollars annually we spend on the military, they have to do something with the damn things.

Fourth, absolutely no country, INCLUDING the UK has asked the US to patrol the oceans (except in areas where treaties require us to be there) for any reason whatsoever.

Fifth, those US bases in Europe and elsewhere, guess what? The US is paying rent on that property! And for the most part, the locals would prefer us to be somewhere else, thanks to the paranoid security procedures out military uses.

I mean, how would you like a farm bordering on a US base and because of whatever reason, you cant get within 400 feet of the security fence of that base, even if one of your cows gets stuck there before calling up the base and asking for a security team to escort you to your cow on YOUR FUCKING LAND.

Speaking as a former member of the US Army, and knowing that a full third of our defense budget is spent on maintaining bases in some of the stupidest locations around the planet (I mean all our bases in Germany would pretty much get blasted in the first 10 minutes of hostilities if Russia moved against the west.)

Thanks for that, Jeff. I think it safe to say that most of the world wishes both our respective countries would just butt the hell out, and go home. I don't think either one is doing the other any huge favours other than propping up the 1%

Needles

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

OMFG, seriously? We take a little credit that our athletes, for whom we have far less than you for our country size compared to yours, that compete purely on their own merits whilst working full time jobs most of the time because there is sod all funding here the way you lot get, and you say that WE are the ones whining when you post all that clap trap? Our athletes do 'step the fuck up' as opposed to the relative grease sliding that you lot get to do on scholarships, grants, and funding

Are you bloody kidding me? You can't let us have a little glory without bringing up WW2, which you stepped in at the end after pissing your pants for ages and refusing to enter, have taken credit for ever since, have twisted facts in god knows how many films to glorify America even when you weren't even fucking there!

Now you want to take credit for everything else we have too? Well please, at least get your facts straight. You see the USA does NOT pay out 78% of the NATO budget. My 7 year old Granddaughter can work this one out, man you should be ashamed of yourself! You lot may pay more than the 27 other countries, but then you are far larger than everyone else too, so on a percentage we all pay our relative share. The budget is split in to three sections, and in total you still a whopping 22%. Taking the 2014-15 budget, and making the really silly first grade mistake of adding three percentages together it still wouldn't have made 78%

Now for the UN, at one time the US paid 25%, but now it pays 22%, because again everything is worked out on a country value percentage. So I have no idea where the hell you plucked your figures from, but seriously, get a grip on that.

As for our police force, you pay fuck all towards it. The largest proportion of our budget comes from our council taxes, and we are about to be privatized. Now even if we worked of the figures from the UN, and from NATO, considering that your over all expenditure is 44%, you're still talking bollocks.

Policing and protecting our country ... Uuummmm we keep getting dragging in to illegal wars by the US for fuck all reason other than to line the pockets of the rich in both our countries. The US does naff all for the UK except charge us for Trident that we can't even fricking use, and that none of us except our leaching Government want. Most of us would be more than happy for the US to fuck right off with it's wars on other countries, and to leave us out of it, because actually we are well aware of the fact that when it comes right down to it the US is only concerned for itself.

However, what the hell ANY of this has to do with us claiming a little credit for our athletes I don't know, but the fact that it's got your panties in such a twist that you have to pull this crap, and then claim that any of us are the whiners is amazing.

Needles

Are you on CRACK?

I'm just wondering.....possibly you can inform me whose ships are patrolling the worlds seas?

We don't send a bill out for that....we just do it.

Do you have ANY concept what the (INCREASED policing) bill would be to EVERY government on EARTH if not for the U.S. patrolling the entire GLOBE????

Yeah, because non of our guys are out there doing exactly the same thing. I guess all our guys must have been recalled to sit on their arses here at home. That must be why my friend's son has just come back from his latest tour, but hey, who knew that only the Americans mattered so much.

That American ego needs putting on a serious choke chain.

Needles

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Haha!

But aren't you even an itsy bitsy embarrassed about your national soccer team? When was the last time they dominated at world class level? (PS: We call it football here too, but for the benefits of Americans, where football means a different sport, I'm just gonna go with soccer.)

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ORIGINAL: Chaska

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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Are you on CRACK?

I'm just wondering.....possibly you can inform me whose ships are patrolling the worlds seas?

We don't send a bill out for that....we just do it.

Do you have ANY concept what the (INCREASED policing) bill would be to EVERY government on EARTH if not for the U.S. patrolling the entire GLOBE????

Yeah, because non of our guys are out there doing exactly the same thing. I guess all our guys must have been recalled to sit on their arses here at home. That must be why my friend's son has just come back from his latest tour, but hey, who knew that only the Americans mattered so much.

That American ego needs putting on a serious choke chain.

Needles

First of all, just for the record, the US navy does not patrol the world's seas for any other reason than for our own protection, and primarily because we have pissed so many people off in the last 30 years that any 2nd and 3rd rate navy would love to take a shot at a US flagged vessel (albeit the target selection is limited when it comes to commercial shipping.)

Secondly, the only ships in the US Navy actually assigned a patrol grid are US SSN's or nuclear attack submarines, and those are patrolling the most likely route for Russian subs to enter into the Atlantic and known areas of Russian submarine activity in the Pacific.

Third, the final reason there are so many US navy ships at sea is because, thanks to the near trillion dollars annually we spend on the military, they have to do something with the damn things.

Fourth, absolutely no country, INCLUDING the UK has asked the US to patrol the oceans (except in areas where treaties require us to be there) for any reason whatsoever.

Fifth, those US bases in Europe and elsewhere, guess what? The US is paying rent on that property! And for the most part, the locals would prefer us to be somewhere else, thanks to the paranoid security procedures out military uses.

I mean, how would you like a farm bordering on a US base and because of whatever reason, you cant get within 400 feet of the security fence of that base, even if one of your cows gets stuck there before calling up the base and asking for a security team to escort you to your cow on YOUR FUCKING LAND.

Speaking as a former member of the US Army, and knowing that a full third of our defense budget is spent on maintaining bases in some of the stupidest locations around the planet (I mean all our bases in Germany would pretty much get blasted in the first 10 minutes of hostilities if Russia moved against the west.)

Thanks for that, Jeff. I think it safe to say that most of the world wishes both our respective countries would just butt the hell out, and go home. I don't think either one is doing the other any huge favours other than propping up the 1%

Needles

As a retired US Navy Veteran I have one word for both of you, EXACTLY!

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Haha!

But aren't you even an itsy bitsy embarrassed about your national soccer team? When was the last time they dominated at world class level? (PS: We call it football here too, but for the benefits of Americans, where football means a different sport, I'm just gonna go with soccer.)

Soccer is an English term. It was a means of distinguishing the game from rugby.

Football, football as we know it, was called Association Football. Rugby was called Rugby football.

Both games sprang up around the same time, and so Association Football was shortened to 'soccer' by English public schools in an attempt to identify it as a game different to rugby football.

As always, we invent these things.

The fact that other countries do it better in later years doesn't mean anything to us because we'll always be an arrogant (or confident depending upon point of view) lot who don't give a fuck what the rest of the world does because it's our game and no matter how good you are you'll always be out of your depth with us - win, lose or draw.

Come to think of it, why do you people outside of this island copy pretty much everything we do? 'Time you lot stood on your own two feet - what are we? your fuckin' mothers?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Okay, the UK is not too shabby, but let me ask you a couple of questions, considering history.

1) How long would the UK (and by extension, its colonies) would have survived dependent on convoys from Canada across the Atlantic with Karl Dönitz's Uboats playing havoc with those life dependent convoys?

2) Considering that, during the Battle of Britain, while the RAF was shooting down more Germans than the Germans were shooting down RAF planes, (even if the Brits bred like rabbits) how long would it have been before the number of pilots lost or put out of action would have crippled air operations?

While it is not true that the Americans won the war single handed, it is true that the British Empire could not have lasted more than a couple of years before being forced to sue for peace due to attrition.

So, with that being said, do you really want to stand by:

Did your history book not have the part where the rusians killed a quarter of a million germans in front of moscow...before amerika was even in the war?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1



Well, we were very fortunate during WW2.

Thanks to the russians.

The Germans made only a half-hearted attempt to invade England - their real business was elsewhere.

With the russians.

Had they put their weight into it then no doubt we would have been conquered.

Not likely. Churchill's "ww2" points out that germany had no way to get her troops to england.


As it were, we remained undefeated on home soil since 1066, a thousand years; which ain't a bad record by anyone's standards.

What you have to remember though, is that while the Germans had been preparing for war since the 1920s, we had spent our time demilitarising during the same period.

Churchill says you are mistaken. In his book WW2 he points out that all the heavy coastal artillary that was supposed to have been destroyed was not.
G.b. had radar and a superior fighter and bomber.
The germans lost more me 109 to pilot error than to allied pilots

So, we had to put cardboard cut-out tanks into fields to give the Germans the impression that we actually had something to fight them with.

Since they could not get there it was a waste of time and effort.

As ever though, it's doing what it takes to win and we are far more adept than the Germans ever have been at getting powerful allies to fight our corner.

Like russia.

As for the Americans, all politics aside, a lot of American Mothers lost their sons in Europe and that's all that needs to be said.

Amerika lost about a quarter of a million men on all fronts for the whole war.

Funny though how the English usually come out on the winning side, even when in the face of adversity, such as having a much bigger country on our doorstep that had prepared for war for a long time while we had demilitarised. Funny that. Is it luck or craft?


Ignorance of history on your part.