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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:33:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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That has nothing to do with religious rules.
Only the catholics prohibit abortions under religious doctrine and we are not a catholic country.


If it's prohibited by Catholics, what's that if it isn't a religious rule? I can't see how that makes sense, FD.

Also, there are four million Catholics here. It doesn't make sense to say that we're a Church of England country - the best we can say is that we're mainly Christian.

There may be catholics as well as other religions here.
But we are officially a protestant country and as such, our judiciary is based upon protestant values generally.

If the catholics, or anyone else doesn't want to follow our laws - that's their choice.



PeonForHer -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:34:38 PM)

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A bit of constitutional change on its way: The Prince of Wales is planning a symbolic change when he becomes King by taking the title Defender of Faith to reflect Britain's multicultural society.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/3454271/Prince-Charles-to-be-known-as-Defender-of-Faith.html

Awkward for those who want to see being pro-Royal as an essential part of being British, as well as being Christian as an essential part of being British. I say 'awkward', but I doubt that it will be in practice. People will just forget about the bits of both religion and being pro-Royal that get in the way. It will be easy to do that because nobody has more than a woolly idea of what both should entail. It's their woolliness that's allowed them both to survive, I suspect.



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:35:24 PM)

Wow. Big ears has actually had a good idea? When was the last time that happened?



dcnovice -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:37:04 PM)

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I actually find that to be an invalid argument when someone posts that to support illegal immigration/refugee acceptance, etc. Simply because times are not the same. It compares apples and oranges. You can't compare what happened almost 400 years ago to what is happening today.

If anything, today's immigrants seem far less genocidal and unlikely to import boatloads of slaves to form the economic underpinnings of their new settlements.



PeonForHer -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:38:24 PM)

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There may be catholics as well as other religions here.
But we are officially a protestant country and as such, our judiciary is based upon protestant values generally.

If the catholics, or anyone else doesn't want to follow our laws - that's their choice.


Assuming that to be true, would it not be likely that there are mainly-Muslim societies that differ from one another greatly, too? One of the greatest differences, it seems to me, is that some are harsher on transgressions than others. IS - insofar as we can call it a culture - appear to believe that none of the others are harsh enough, for instance.



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:39:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I actually find that to be an invalid argument when someone posts that to support illegal immigration/refugee acceptance, etc. Simply because times are not the same. It compares apples and oranges. You can't compare what happened almost 400 years ago to what is happening today.

If anything, today's immigrants seem far less genocidal and unlikely to import boatloads of slaves to form the economic underpinnings of their new settlements.

We stopped the Scousers and the mangelwurzels doing that centuries ago. [;)]



PeonForHer -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:39:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Wow. Big ears has actually had a good idea? When was the last time that happened?


I *very* much doubt it was his idea alone.



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:40:48 PM)

Most likely. I think the good idea most are hoping for at this point is him deciding to only be King long enough to abdicate and appoint his elder son instead...



OsideGirl -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:43:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I actually find that to be an invalid argument when someone posts that to support illegal immigration/refugee acceptance, etc. Simply because times are not the same. It compares apples and oranges. You can't compare what happened almost 400 years ago to what is happening today.

If anything, today's immigrants seem far less genocidal and unlikely to import boatloads of slaves to form the economic underpinnings of their new settlements.

Moot point. Comparing immigration in the 1600's when the United States wasn't a country, didn't have government, didn't have laws and didn't have a large population to immigration issues happening in 2016 is comparing apples and oranges.



MariaB -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:44:20 PM)

Roman Catholics have overtaken Anglicans as the country's dominant religious group. More people attend Mass every Sunday than worship with the Church of England, figures seen by The Sunday Telegraph show. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573452/Britain-has-become-a-Catholic-country.html

Churches the length and breath of the UK are being converted into apartments, offices, nightclubs and even fetish clubs. The cheapest place to hire a BDSM club in and around London is in one of those long abandoned church.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:45:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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A bit of constitutional change on its way: The Prince of Wales is planning a symbolic change when he becomes King by taking the title Defender of Faith to reflect Britain's multicultural society.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/3454271/Prince-Charles-to-be-known-as-Defender-of-Faith.html

Awkward for those who want to see being pro-Royal as an essential part of being British, as well as being Christian as an essential part of being British. I say 'awkward', but I doubt that it will be in practice. People will just forget about the bits of both religion and being pro-Royal that get in the way. It will be easy to do that because nobody has more than a woolly idea of what both should entail. It's their woolliness that's allowed them both to survive, I suspect.

Her Maj is already 'defender of the faith' officially.
He won't be doing anything different if he ever inherits the throne.

I think the title is very well defined rather than being 'woolly'.
It is something that has been handed down since Henry 'invented' it when he told his holiness the pope to go swivel after the debacle of his divorce to Catherine of Aragon.


ETA: Henry was declared "Fidei Defensor" by pope Leo X in 1521.



PeonForHer -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:46:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Most likely. I think the good idea most are hoping for at this point is him deciding to only be King long enough to abdicate and appoint his elder son instead...


That could be 'out of the frying pan, into the fire'. The lad's an unknown quantity. Frankly, he shows signs of being a world-class dork, to me.



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:48:57 PM)

He'd have to work at it to be a bigger wanker than his old man, even so.



PeonForHer -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:49:52 PM)

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Her Maj is already 'defender of the faith' officially.


That word 'the' is the big change - have a look at the article I linked. 'Defender of Faith' implies all kinds of faiths. Also - I can't see how you believe it to be a precise term even under HM's present usage. How does she go about 'defending the faith'? What does that even mean?



mnottertail -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:51:23 PM)

Many people say he will arise a King like Arthur, and put Hen Ogledd to the sword, rape the Brexiters women and slay the traitors to the throne, this rightwise born King of England.



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:51:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB
Churches the length and breath of the UK are being converted into apartments, offices, nightclubs and even fetish clubs. The cheapest place to hire a BDSM club in and around London is in one of those long abandoned church.

Which will suit some pervs down to the ground. I'm sure you've noticed the big overlap between fetishists and catholics, catholics (or lapsed catholics, I suppose) seem to be an even bigger chunk of the kink massive than Jews, which is no mean feat...



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:53:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Her Maj is already 'defender of the faith' officially.


That word 'the' is the big change - have a look at the article I linked. 'Defender of Faith' implies all kinds of faiths. Also - I can't see how you believe it to be a precise term even under HM's present usage. How does she go about 'defending the faith'? What does that even mean?

It means when she dies, she will pause in her ascent to heaven to loosen Mahomet's teeth for him over 7/7.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:56:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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There may be catholics as well as other religions here.
But we are officially a protestant country and as such, our judiciary is based upon protestant values generally.

If the catholics, or anyone else doesn't want to follow our laws - that's their choice.


Assuming that to be true, would it not be likely that there are mainly-Muslim societies that differ from one another greatly, too? One of the greatest differences, it seems to me, is that some are harsher on transgressions than others. IS - insofar as we can call it a culture - appear to believe that none of the others are harsh enough, for instance.

Good point Peon.

However, have you considered why there is always unrest in almost all of the Islamic countries??
That's because the Sunni and Shia hate each other to the extent that one is very likely to kill the other on sight just because of the difference in their versions of Islam.
And then there are the Aluwhites and Sufi's and various other Islamic offshoots.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 2:59:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Her Maj is already 'defender of the faith' officially.


That word 'the' is the big change - have a look at the article I linked. 'Defender of Faith' implies all kinds of faiths. Also - I can't see how you believe it to be a precise term even under HM's present usage. How does she go about 'defending the faith'? What does that even mean?

It is an inherited title and it is very specifically defender of the Protestant faith as originated by Henry VIII.

How she does it or what it actually entails, I have no clue.
But it is a very formal and definite title and specifically the CofE brand of protestant following.


According to your link: ...However, there would be huge obstacles to overcome before the Prince can fulfil his wish which he has discussed with some of his closest advisers. It would require Parliament to agree to amend the 1953 Royal Titles Act which came into law after changes were made for the Queen's Coronation in the same year. A senior source told The Daily Telegraph: "There have been lots of discussions. He would like to be known as the Defender of Faith which is a subtle but hugely symbolic shift."
I can't see any amendment being approved or passed by the government on this subtle change because the Synod would cause a huge uproar if they tried.



dcnovice -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 3:00:17 PM)

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Moot point. Comparing immigration in the 1600's when the United States wasn't a country, didn't have government, didn't have laws and didn't have a large population to immigration issues happening in 2016.

There may not have been a government and laws that white people recognized, but there were certainly people living in North America before 1492 (to say nothing of 1600) with languages, cultures, and forms of governance of their own.



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