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thompsonx -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 7:42:35 PM)


ORIGINAL: OsideGirl



Again, moot point. The issues then are not the issues now.


How would you characterize the differences between then and now?

Trying to compare them is like comparing apples and oranges.


There is no problem comparing any two things including apples and oranges.

You're comparing a non-centralized government to a central government. What were the laws on immigration in 1492? Did the settlers break them by arriving in this country?

Each tribe of native amerikans had a central government just as each country in europe has a central gavernment.

I don't dispute that what happened to the Native American tribes has been and continues to be terrible. (I'm part Native American BTW) But, the reality is that you cannot compare the immigration of Europeans into this country more than 500 years ago to the issues of illegal immigration at this point in time. It's completely different set of issues.

No it is not.





thompsonx -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 7:45:40 PM)


ORIGINAL: kdsub

Peon... did you read through each of those?... If you did then you know none are mandates for the Christian religion today. Now don't get me wrong...no written word has been more construed to justify violence than the books of the God of Abraham. But today there is no incompatibility between the Christian Bible and the Constitution... I think.


I am pretty sure your christian bible says you have to kill your kid for mouthing off and your wife for wearing the wrong kinds of fabric just to name a couple that are against the law in amerika and most other places.



thompsonx -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 7:48:43 PM)

ORIGINAL: respectmen


I'm certainly passionate about Australian values and don't want them forgotten from some other culture barging in expecting us to appease to their ways of life that don't mix here.


Australian culture is aborigonie...you are white punk who belongs to the tribe who has made every effort to destroy them and thier culture.
Why is it ok for you but not for others?



popeye1250 -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 8:24:42 PM)

Oh sure, I'd be "enriched" by Islamic culture.
I haven't stoned a woman who was raped in a dog's age!



Nnanji -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 8:52:25 PM)


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It is an inherited title and it is very specifically defender of the Protestant faith as originated by Henry VIII.

Ironically, though, wasn't the title originally bestowed on Henry by the pope to reward the king's defense of Roman Catholicism against Lutheranism?

Correct. And thus, since the Pope bestowed the title, only the Poe may alter it.

Really?



thompsonx -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 9:06:19 PM)


ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Oh sure, I'd be "enriched" by Islamic culture.


Math,history,art.



Termyn8or -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 9:50:19 PM)

Arabian, Persian etc. Not Islamic.

The only ones who are allowed to interpolate religion and race are Jews. Others are forbidden. Didn't you get the memo ?

T^T



stef -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 10:51:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Arabian, Persian etc. Not Islamic.

The only ones who are allowed to interpolate religion and race are Jews. Others are forbidden. Didn't you get the memo ?

You're the only one here who gets memos about Jews from Stormfront, Termy.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/23/2016 11:50:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Part of it is also meddling by the west. Iraq and Iran are perfect examples, and Syria is well on the way. Who the fuck was Gertrude Stein to draw lines on the map to throw these people together in what is now know as Iraq ? But what's done is done and since all these factions are forced to live together they require a tough government to keep down civil wars. Iraq should really be three countries.

One thing though, when the US goes in they are quite readily united by a common enemy that purports to be their liberator but nothing is farther from the truth. Go ahead and say the did not have elections under Saddam for example, but who put Saddam in power ? He was "Our boy in Bagdad". He was put there to antagonize Iran. It didn't work.

The US is going to have to learn that they are not the only people who prefer to govern themselves. We lost control of Iran, we lost control of Iraq, there is still a North Korea and Nam was a big mess and accomplished absolutely nothing. Syria is falling apart and Ukraine is on the brink of a real civil war. All results of the west meddling in affairs that are none of their business. (BTW I used the word "we" up there very loosely, I do not support any of this shirt and if I was draft age and invited to Nam I would be Canadian now)

T^T

The thing is Termy, they've been doing this in-fighting ever since Islam was 'invented'.

The moment a group of them disagreed with who should inherit the rights to be leader of the faith after the death of Mohamed and caused the fundamental rift within Islam, they've been at each other's throats ever since.
That was well over a thousand years ago - way waay before the pilgrims went to what is now the US.

You can't blame this inherent in-fighting between the two main factions of Islam on anything the US has done.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 12:15:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I can't see any amendment being approved or passed by the government on this subtle change because the Synod would cause a huge uproar if they tried.


Well, it does seem that Chas has changed his mind more recently. It's going to be 'Defender of *the* Faith* after all. However, he's still insistent this is compatible with being a "protector of faiths" more generally.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/02/charles-vows-to-keep-defender-of-the-faith-title-as-king

... but in which case, I still have to wonder what 'defender of the faith' actually means, if he's not going to defend the Christian Church against other faiths flourishing here in Blighty. How can you defend or protect two faiths that contradict one another, for instance?

It wouldn't have been allowed in the good old days.


You're right there.
In the good old days, if you were following the wrong faith, you were severely persecuted.
When Mary succeeded the throne after Henry, she wanted to switch the country back to catholicism and many protestants were burned and tortured for heresy.
It wasn't until Elizabeth I allowed both the catholics and protestants to live side by side that we achieved relative peace in our nation.

I would assume that defending of the faith would essentially be going to war if necessary if another faith tried to overrun our lands and threatened to change our base faith of CofE.
I really don't know what is involved but when I asked my OH about this (she's a Tudor history buff and also writing a book) I got a 30 minute lecture on various parts of history yada yada yada waffle waffle. To summarise, the title is definitive and like the rules of engagement in war, there are (apparently) rules to do with defending the faith.
Since Lizzy I, it has nothing to do with allowing other faiths to flourish here but the threat of a usurped faith overturning what we have.

That's the best I can come up with without writing a book on it. lol.



MariaB -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 3:30:04 AM)

To denounce a doctrine is to denounce ones faith or at least that was the case before modern times. What is written in the bible re- same sex relationships/marriage is now considered an anathema to the faith. We keep the bits we want and discard the bits we don’t want. Christianity is like a box of chocolates.

Defender of the faith has, more recently, been used to channel peace and not warfare. That’s why when the Queen crosses into Scotland the virtue of her position is the church of Scotland. What the Queen has done regrading defending the faith is, encourage the practice and acceptance of all faiths. She’s subtly modernized and compromised her historical role to fit in with modern day society.



PeonForHer -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 4:00:38 AM)

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To summarise, the title is definitive and like the rules of engagement in war, there are (apparently) rules to do with defending the faith.
Since Lizzy I, it has nothing to do with allowing other faiths to flourish here but the threat of a usurped faith overturning what we have.


I'm sorry but I still can't see any sense in that, FD. It doesn't take a war to uproot a faith here in the UK, these days - as we've seen with the plummeting figures of church attendance. Also, anyone can change his or her religion from one to another quite legally, and it's unthinkable that the monarch would step in to stop it, no matter how many people choose to do it. 'Defender of the Faith', practically-speaking, doesn't mean anything at all.

Again, this is fine by me: so long as religion, and everything institutional surrounding it, is woolly enough, it can survive as one (but just one) of the bases of a given culture. So, for instance, in the UK we live in a broadly Christian-based culture. However, we also live in a broadly managed-capitalist, liberal-democratic, mostly secular, rationalist culture. If someone - say, a Muslim - immigrates, allows his personal religious beliefs to be woolly enough, while accepting all those non-religious bases of our culture ... then, everything's fine.



blnymph -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 5:10:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

I'm certainly passionate about Australian values and don't want them forgotten

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As a European ignoramus from beyondupper I am puzzled: What Australian values could be in danger of being forgotten?

As rm is usually bad in defining what he means by whatever I ask the other Australian posters: Please give us ignorants some examples of Australian values to be remembered.

I promise: I 'll try not to forget them in the future.


Umm, like maybe keeping rape illegal ?

T^T


Is that specific to Australia? To my knowledge it is illegal in many countries including mine.

rm specifically mentioned "Australian values" - but which ones?



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 5:24:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph
rm specifically mentioned "Australian values" - but which ones?

Crappy beer, dreadful pop singers, bad soap operas and nice architechture?



blnymph -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 5:37:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: blnymph
rm specifically mentioned "Australian values" - but which ones?

Crappy beer, dreadful pop singers, bad soap operas and nice architechture?


now that would make at least some sense ... [:D]

then refugees are a threat to crappy beer and dreadful pop?



PeonForHer -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 5:46:34 AM)

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nice architechture?


What else other than the Sydney Opera House? My bro lives in Melbourne in what looks like a large dustbin.



Lucylastic -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 5:54:41 AM)

I read an interestsing article the other day that gave me pause...
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/17/490320114/australia-papua-new-guinea-agree-to-close-refugee-detention-camp
A widely criticized refugee detention camp on Manus Island will be shut down, Papua New Guinea and Australia announced Wednesday.

They have not set a timetable for the closure or announced what will happen to the 850 men currently detained in the camp, The Associated Press reports.

Australia's policy on migrants and refugees is strict: Asylum-seekers attempting to reach Australia by boat are intercepted at sea, and officials say they will never be allowed to settle in the country. That's true even if authorities determine them to be refugees who would qualify for asylum.

Australian Refugee Detention Center Is Declared Illegal By Papua New Guinea Court
THE TWO-WAY
Australian Refugee Detention Center Is Declared Illegal By Papua New Guinea Court
Instead, arriving refugees and migrants are sent offshore to detention centers where they are held indefinitely. Eyewitnesses have reported appalling conditions at some of the detention facilities, with violence, abuse and pervasive psychological trauma.

In February, Australia's highest court effectively upheld the detention policy, throwing out a legal challenge to offshore refugee detention centers.



Termyn8or -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 6:00:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Arabian, Persian etc. Not Islamic.

The only ones who are allowed to interpolate religion and race are Jews. Others are forbidden. Didn't you get the memo ?

You're the only one here who gets memos about Jews from Stormfront, Termy.


Haven't read Stormfront in about a decade.

I have however met many European immigrants. They were there, they know.

If you are so fucking smart then is Jew a race or religion ? You can't say. If by blood they have a right to that country it is a race, but it is actually a religion because the Ashkenazis are not Semitic. (sons of Shem, 12 tribes and all)

You want to argue it I warn you, you'll get tor to shreds.

T^T



WhoreMods -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 6:01:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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nice architechture?


What else other than the Sydney Opera House? My bro lives in Melbourne in what looks like a large dustbin.

Lots of Victorian cod-Georgian stuff. Did you not see Government House? (Mind you, your brother's dustbin sounds like it's one of the Victorian prefabs they have all over the place. Those are a bit less fetching...)



Termyn8or -> RE: Worldwide people are concerned over 'too many immigrants' who change their country 'in ways they don (8/24/2016 6:07:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Part of it is also meddling by the west. Iraq and Iran are perfect examples, and Syria is well on the way. Who the fuck was Gertrude Stein to draw lines on the map to throw these people together in what is now know as Iraq ? But what's done is done and since all these factions are forced to live together they require a tough government to keep down civil wars. Iraq should really be three countries.

One thing though, when the US goes in they are quite readily united by a common enemy that purports to be their liberator but nothing is farther from the truth. Go ahead and say the did not have elections under Saddam for example, but who put Saddam in power ? He was "Our boy in Bagdad". He was put there to antagonize Iran. It didn't work.

The US is going to have to learn that they are not the only people who prefer to govern themselves. We lost control of Iran, we lost control of Iraq, there is still a North Korea and Nam was a big mess and accomplished absolutely nothing. Syria is falling apart and Ukraine is on the brink of a real civil war. All results of the west meddling in affairs that are none of their business. (BTW I used the word "we" up there very loosely, I do not support any of this shirt and if I was draft age and invited to Nam I would be Canadian now)

T^T

The thing is Termy, they've been doing this in-fighting ever since Islam was 'invented'.

The moment a group of them disagreed with who should inherit the rights to be leader of the faith after the death of Mohamed and caused the fundamental rift within Islam, they've been at each other's throats ever since.
That was well over a thousand years ago - way waay before the pilgrims went to what is now the US.

You can't blame this inherent in-fighting between the two main factions of Islam on anything the US has done.



But I can blame their hatred for the US on what the US has done to them. Oil companies wanted to exploit them for their natural resources and governments figured it out and had to have a "regime change".

They had the governments they wanted for the most part, it is pretty hard to stay in power when the majority is against you. That logic makes me doubt it is as bad in North Korea as it is cracked up to be. No country has enough jails to lock everyone up. Of course the people could be brainwashed, like the ones in the US who think this country can take on the whole world and win. Like the Muslim suicide bombers. You know, it is quite possible they know they are not getting 72 virgins but you killed their family and they are willing to die for justice/revenge.

T^T



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