RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women

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Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/23/2016 9:40:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Awareness You're conflating obligation to carry to term with obligation to support. The two are not the same. Try addressing the issue instead of showing us that you have two left feet when you try to dance Women can avoid their responsibilities by murdering the child Another doctor with a medical degree from the university of dumbass. Take your religious tripe and put it in a shoe box. Wrap it nicely and put a big pink bow on it and shove it up your ass. You're an idiot. If the conversation is too sophisticated for your rather shallow intelligence, then stay out of it. I'm not going to waste my time expanding upon points which are perfectly obvious to anyone with a functioning intelligence. You either know exactly what I'm saying and are just dishonestly attempting to muddy the waters or you're just a fucking imbecile. Personally, I think it's the latter. You clearly have trouble following the conversation. So fuck off, you stupid cunt - you can't keep up and consequently, you're boring.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/23/2016 10:00:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx My point was and is that there is no way that the choice can be equal. It is logically not possible. For anyone to argue differently is disingenuous. Who has argued that the choice can be equal? I certainly haven't.

thompsonx -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/23/2016 10:04:34 AM)
ORIGINAL: Awareness ORIGINAL: thompsonx You're conflating obligation to carry to term with obligation to support. The two are not the same. Try addressing the issue instead of showing us that you have two left feet when you try to dance Women can avoid their responsibilities by murdering the child Another doctor with a medical degree from the university of dumbass. Take your religious tripe and put it in a shoe box. Wrap it nicely and put a big pink bow on it and shove it up your ass. You're an idiot. Interesting point, your mom says that about you, 15 yerars old and still in the third grade. If the conversation is too sophisticated for your rather shallow intelligence, then stay out of it. I'm not going to waste my time expanding upon points which are perfectly obvious to anyone with a functioning intelligence. The seminal points have to do with the logical falicy that two people cannot have an equal vote in a situation in whch they disagree. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. You either know exactly what I'm saying and are just dishonestly attempting to muddy the waters or you're just a fucking imbecile. If an imbecile can notice your logical falacy then it would follow that the logical falacy was generated by an imbecile. Personally, I think it's the latter. You have yet to demonstrate that you think.[8\|] you're boring. Bring your own lube next time if it hurts your tailpipe that much.

thompsonx -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/23/2016 10:18:20 AM)
ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar ORIGINAL: thompsonx My point was and is that there is no way that the choice can be equal. It is logically not possible. For anyone to argue differently is disingenuous. [/quote] Who has argued that the choice can be equal? I certainly haven't. I believe you have. You asked why the woman gets to make the choice. Two people tango, and the result is that the woman is the sole arbiter on what happens next. She can: - Abort the child (without consulting the man) and deny him a child he might have wanted to raise. ... Why does she get to make all of those decision FOR THE MAN? ... Why doesn't he get a choice to decide whether or not he wants to be a parent?... Men should get as much as a say as women do when it comes to deciding what happens after an unplanned pregnancy happens.

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/26/2016 7:28:45 PM)
Speaking of state-mandated cuckoldry, how's this for an example: http://myfox8.com/2016/09/26/man-wins-fight-against-court-order-to-pay-support-for-another-mans-child/ In particular, this quote is just awesome: "A simple DNA test is not enough to exonerate a man if he is the husband." Yes I know. It's evidence. Feminists will hate it.

tamaka -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/26/2016 8:40:49 PM)
You know if men just used the other hole they could avoid alot of problems... just sayin'

thompsonx -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (10/6/2016 11:25:33 AM)
ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar ORIGINAL: thompsonx My point was and is that there is no way that the choice can be equal. It is logically not possible. For anyone to argue differently is disingenuous. [/quote] Who has argued that the choice can be equal? I certainly haven't. I believe you have. You asked why the woman gets to make the choice. Two people tango, and the result is that the woman is the sole arbiter on what happens next. She can: - Abort the child (without consulting the man) and deny him a child he might have wanted to raise. ... Why does she get to make all of those decision FOR THE MAN? ... Why doesn't he get a choice to decide whether or not he wants to be a parent?... Men should get as much as a say as women do when it comes to deciding what happens after an unplanned pregnancy happens. still waiting

Danemora -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (10/6/2016 6:52:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph after the child's DNA sample taken and processed it needs comparison to 1) the mother's - taken by force too?? Why THE FUCK would we need a dna sample from the mother? Most people usually figure she's the mother when the child is born. (Can you figure out why???) Christ, you're a dimwit. Yes, maternity is established at the child's birth for vital statistic reporting purposes. However for court admissible paternity testing, (where both parents are living), they take DNA from the father, mother, and child. Or I should say they do in my state when the court is establishing paternity, though different states may allow different types of testing that I'm not privy to. I have both the court order compelling my (the mother's) participation in paternity testing for my son even though maternity had been established by flaying me open like a fish to yank his goo covered self out of my uterus the previous year. In court admissible paternity testing (in cases where both parents are living), they compare specific alleles of the child against both mother and father to calculate a probability of paternity percentage. Im always more than happy to provide redacted copies of the court order and the Lab Corp results to illustrate this if needed.

Danemora -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (10/6/2016 7:29:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Men should get as much as a say as women do when it comes to deciding what happens after an unplanned pregnancy happens. Which includes claiming the child, or giving up all claim to it... just like women can... I do agree that both parents should get a say. However it won't work in all possible scenarios after an unplanned pregnancy. I gave birth 2 years ago. Had I wanted to abort the pregnancy and my son's father did not, how exactly would that situation get resolved fairly? Force me to carry a pregnancy I didn't want to term and then force me to give birth to the baby so his father could get his equal rights as far as being a father goes?

UllrsIshtar -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (10/7/2016 8:23:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar Men should get as much as a say as women do when it comes to deciding what happens after an unplanned pregnancy happens. Which includes claiming the child, or giving up all claim to it... just like women can... I do agree that both parents should get a say. However it won't work in all possible scenarios after an unplanned pregnancy. I gave birth 2 years ago. Had I wanted to abort the pregnancy and my son's father did not, how exactly would that situation get resolved fairly? Force me to carry a pregnancy I didn't want to term and then force me to give birth to the baby so his father could get his equal rights as far as being a father goes? The woman decided whether to carry to term or not. After she decides to carry to term, the father now has the same options as the mother to claim the child, or relinquish claim to the child. Personally I don't think a woman should tell a man she is pregnant until after she's decided to carry it to term. There's no need to burden a man with the knowledge that you're mind is set on aborting a child he might want to keep. He doesn't need that on his conscious. However, after a woman -independently- decides she's carrying the child to term, the man should have the same choice on whether he wants the child or not, and if he doesn't, should be able to relinquish claim to the child, even when she decides to keep it. Likewise, I think a woman should give serious consideration to carrying a child she doesn't want to term when the father really wants to keep it, but likewise she should be able to relinquish her ties with the child to him, and make him solely responsible for the child she didn't want, after giving birth. I've done that. I've gotten pregnant, and would have aborted if it wasn't for the fact that my ex really wanted the child. So I totally understand what an imposition it is to go through a pregnancy you don't want, but I still think that when possible, if the father wants the child, it's the right thing to do. Legally speaking I don't think women should be forced in such a situation (but again they should also keep their mouth shut to the father if they're aborting anyways without considering his wishes). After giving birth, I've stepped away, and he's raising the boy all by himself by our mutual agreement. However, legally I cannot give up my rights and responsibilities, so legally speaking I could interfere with how my ex decides to raise the boy at any time (hell, I could insist having an input in what school he goes to despite not being otherwise involved, or I could insist on visitation rights or 50/50 custody, even though I moved to another continent) and he could demand child support at any time. Neither of us uses the law to fuck with the other that way, because it's just not the kind people we are. But there are tons of other people -mostly men- who got 'stuck with' a child they never wanted, with the other parent constantly using the law to interfere with the other parent's life, when they never had a choice to begin with on whether or not they wished to be a parent in the first place.

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