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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 6:59:44 AM   
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If you look really close you can see the hijacker flipping everyone the bird too.

Nope. The sun was in his eyes. See above.



the alleged plane was going south, not east. the sun rises in the east not south

Thats sort of funny, vince uncovers another anomoly.





Looks like for a southbound plane there would be no shadow on the building at all and the sun would have been up, left and somewhat front as shown by the shadow on the sun dial.

Like I said, there is no end to the photoshopping fuckups in the official 'story'.







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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 7:38:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is some standard physics for you. The sun in the US is in the southern hemisphere, all fuckin year, long about now it increases the angle to the equator what with the first day of autumn being not far off, and it rises in the east and sets in the west, it has done this shit for recorded history, and we have reason to believe it has occurred that way prior to that time, for time immemorial, so, facing south, facing east at the right time, and facing west at the right time, or any combination of those degrees or rays, you are going to get a great deal of sun.

You receive an F and #epic fail for your inability to pass kindergarten physics.

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 7:52:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		there is the sundail which shows the sun would have been on the south east side of the tower making it impossible to cast a shadow of a plane on the north side. Yet we see the shadow on the north west side LOL

The alleged plane struck the tower on the north side not the south side sherlock, and even if it did strike it on the south side the shadow seen is backwards. Lose lose proposition for you. your nutsuck friends made yet another photoshopping fuckup.

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 7:59:49 AM   
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Next I see the explosion take place before the shadow of the alleged plane meets itself on the side of the building, explain to us how that is possible.

That is not an explosion you see. It is the glint of the sunlight hitting the fuselage of the plane as it is strikes the building. The sun has risen from the viewer's left over the East River. You can see the sun hitting the plane before the collision. Those are also not explosions.

The shadows following the collision are the result of the opacity of the gas clouds arising from the explosion.

It is September, before the clocks have been changed. The sun would be rising from a somewhat northeasterly angle. The Latitude of NYC is about 38 degrees North, so the angle of the sun leads that at Latitude 23 degrees where the Equinox is still eleven days ahead. In other words the period of daylight is already shortening in NYC.

It is easily explainable why that is an airplane. . . . or a very large bird.



but the 1) fuselage was in the 'shadow' of the building!
and 2) your alleged glint is over 4 times the diameter of the alleged fuselage.
3) I cant identify a plane, I cant even identify a blob more like a smudge, can you identify a plane or are you imagining one?



explain.



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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:02:39 AM   
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The plane was going south ? What, did it take off from Canada or something. It was probably going NNE.

You know I do smell a rat, but I am not going to engage in confirmation bias.

There is a slight possibility there were no planes. I will admit that. Of all the people on the street at the time, how many are looking up at the sky ? Also, even hearing the jet engines, how may would look up ? The city has an airport somewhere so maybe nobody looked up.

I am not saying that is how it is, but it is possible. It is just improbable.

There are many questions that are not going to be answered by blurry pictures. It doesn't matter anymore. More people were murdered last month, almost ten times as many people were killed by medical mistakes last month. As a terrorist plot, it only worked because the government had a knee jerk reaction to it, and the stupid motherfuckers thought what ? That next time would be easier ? AND, look at their choice of targets. If I were they I would have run all those planes into the pentagon and whitehouse. I know they were after banksters and Jews, but who enables them ? And if they wanted to kill USians they could have done better at a football game. If they are that stupid to have religious reasons to do it they could have destroyed national monuments.

THINK PEOPLE. WHY DID THEY CHOOSE THAT TARGET ?

All anyone who wants to discuss this seem to be fixated on government conspiracy. Well OK, they let it happen. Complicity or incompetence, no question. No talk of why it happened, no talk of why these hijackers gave their lives to kick them in the balls. You think it was money ? Sure, here is a stack of money not go kill yourself. Think about what kind of people are driven to do this shit. And think why they would choose to do it here.

A hundred more pictures means nothing. The question is why ?

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:09:31 AM   
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so vince and snotty uncovered another photoshopping anomoly that didnt even occur to me to check, since in order to cast the shadow to the right of the plane as seen in the video the sun would have to be north east of the tower which would put it in the northern hemisphere. OOPSIE LOL









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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:09:58 AM   
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THINK PEOPLE. WHY DID THEY CHOOSE THAT TARGET ?

A symbol of American Imperialism.

(If they'd actually wanted to kill a lot more people, you can forget about "football" games: they'd have crashed the planes into dams. There's a fair few towns in the 'States you could more or less wipe off the map doing that. And that's without getting into nuclear plants, of which there's three or four in New York State alone...)

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:33:37 AM   
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lil birdies


lets compare

plane


pay particular attention to the birds that come out from behind the WTC that naudets camera has no problem capturing, not as a smudge but we can easily see the wings flapping.

your nutsuckers made a fool out you, not that you werent already!

(that means you will need to explain why we see the little birdie so well and all we see for the plane is a smudge)

Explain.

I hear the jeopardy jingo...............



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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:35:26 AM   
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Sorry felchgobbler, you are retarded.

If the plane was a tank, and the time was 3pm and the location was Basel, Switzerland, and it was Sunday, 13 Oct 2020, and the sky was an azure blue, and thermite cutters were installed over the weekend........

But none of those things were true.

the planes hit 845 and 903, 12:15 local noon shadows have no bearing on the discourse, give up your alloidal-foef-magnacharta asswipe; grab up a dictionary and look up: General, Example, Local, Noon, and understand the picture is not of a WTC tower, and there are no nearby buildings reflecting, nor air currents in the picture, nor a whole host of other things.

You are in #EPICFAIL as is your usual situation.

Look at your birdies picture, explain the shadows captured right there that show you dont have the physics background of a fucking ice cube.

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:37:37 AM   
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then explain why we can see lil birdies so well and not a gargantuan fucking plane

Yep I hear that sucking sound!
suck suck suck a nut!
suck suck suck a nut!
lmao






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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:49:34 AM   
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Plausible.

But you see, figuring out the intent by the action sometimes works.

Did they think they were going to crash the US economy ? Did they think it was going to stop the US military from killing their kids and other relatives ? Did they think it was going to scare the US into friendly relations and stop interfering with their governments time and time again ? I really doubt it.

Like the Palestinians, eventually it gets to the point where it does not matter. They shoot off a couple of bottle rockets and the IDF comes i and kills 3,000 of them. See, it doesn't matter anymore to them. I know how it feels. I am not going to be able to work much longer, if someone put a gun to my head I would say, how about testing that thing to make sure it works. There comes a time when people just don't give a fuck anymore. Where do you think suicide bombers come from ? As a matter of fact, is anyone here stupid enough to think those hijackers thought they were going to live ? They are not on our side so it is hard to see unless you have learned objectivity, but those people gave their lives for their cause. When you join the military, you do not expect to die, though you recognize the possibility. But when to strap a bomb to your chest there is no doubt. They never used to do this before, how come now they do ?

Cause and effect. And the word terrorism ? How about the government with its "shock and awe" ? What the fuck is that and how does it differ ?

Just like the Israeli/Palestinian situation, what is the kill ratio ? How many Muslims have the US killed and now many USians have they killed ? We do not have clean hands here.

You know, if you want to have a fucking genocide (or whatever) just admit it and get on with it.

But of course dragging it out over a century or whatever is much more profitable.

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:55:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know you dont understand the electromagnetic spectrum, but not only do we get light, we get color, we get sound, one of the first things is the plane reflects light the bird absorbs.

I would have to know the camera as well, it has physical properties, but again you are dishonest in your photoshopped giffery. the entire length of the shot must be viewed, not a cherry picked set of a few frames.

Anyhow, point the camera at a reflecting surface. you will not get differentiation, have a different color cross it, and as you see he is deeper in shadow and lower to diffuse the reflections in the bird picture..............well.

Never mind, its physics and you have no understanding of it.

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 8:58:10 AM   
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I still do not see a plane, and I would argue that
anyone who does has a very vivid imagination.


I saw both of them. Live television that day. Watching it again right now.

Was the Pentagon attack also faked? And the plane that went down in Pennsylvania?

I guess any weird shit is possible in sovereign citizen circles. I read that one of your compatriots was arrested out west somewhere for resisting arrest telling the cops they had no authority over him. You guys are really quacked.

Carry on with your nonsense.


Its guaranteed in sovereign gubblmint circles.

Since we are having so much fun today, lets take a look at the demolition sequence when they turned off the lights.





like this shit is ancient news been around for a long time.


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Morpheus: Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

Morpheus: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that's not far from the truth. Do you believe in fate, Neo?

Neo: No.

Morpheus: Why not?

Neo: Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life.

Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Neo: The Matrix.

Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?

Neo: Yes.

Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.


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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 9:15:36 AM   
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Plausible.

But you see, figuring out the intent by the action sometimes works.


You missed the various statements that bin Laden and his cronies made about the attacks afterwards?
It's not "plausible" it's the reason they themselves claimed for picking on that specific ugly specimen of '70s bombast, rather than sending all of the (nonexistent, obvs) planes to the Pentagon.

And as for the results of the attack, do you honestly believe that the invasion of Afghanistan and this fuckwittery with Iraq that happened as a response to it isn't the best advert the Jihadis have had since Leila Khalid retired? Just look what happened in Iran. The old farts from '78 might have been chased out of office by now if Bush II hadn't done his best to convince the younger generation of Iranians that those sorry fuckwits are right, and all the Franks really do hate them.

(As for suicide bombings, that's hardly a recent development: the Palestinians started doing that back in the '80s, or maybe even the late '70s. It certainly no longer had the shock of the new when the Tamil started doing that in '87, did it?)

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 9:21:47 AM   
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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 9:23:27 AM   
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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 11:30:42 AM   
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Next I see the explosion take place before the shadow of the alleged plane meets itself on the side of the building, explain to us how that is possible.

That is not an explosion you see. It is the glint of the sunlight hitting the fuselage of the plane as it is strikes the building. The sun has risen from the viewer's left over the East River. You can see the sun hitting the plane before the collision. Those are also not explosions.

The shadows following the collision are the result of the opacity of the gas clouds arising from the explosion.

It is September, before the clocks have been changed. The sun would be rising from a somewhat northeasterly angle. The Latitude of NYC is about 38 degrees North, so the angle of the sun leads that at Latitude 23 degrees where the Equinox is still eleven days ahead. In other words the period of daylight is already shortening in NYC.

It is easily explainable why that is an airplane. . . . or a very large bird.



but the 1) fuselage was in the 'shadow' of the building!
and 2) your alleged glint is over 4 times the diameter of the alleged fuselage.
3) I cant identify a plane, I cant even identify a blob more like a smudge, can you identify a plane or are you imagining one?



explain.



The North Tower was the first to be hit. In your picture we can see the South Tower behind it. So, obviously the photo was taken from the north looking south. The shadow of the plane is apparent and confirms that the plane was descending from west to east.

We can see the flashes of bouncing sunlight while the fuselage is above the roof of the building.

There were no explosions prior to impact.

An hour passed after impact and before the building collapsed. That time line alone negates a controlled implosion.

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 3:49:27 PM   
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Next I see the explosion take place before the shadow of the alleged plane meets itself on the side of the building, explain to us how that is possible.

That is not an explosion you see. It is the glint of the sunlight hitting the fuselage of the plane as it is strikes the building. The sun has risen from the viewer's left over the East River. You can see the sun hitting the plane before the collision. Those are also not explosions.

The shadows following the collision are the result of the opacity of the gas clouds arising from the explosion.

It is September, before the clocks have been changed. The sun would be rising from a somewhat northeasterly angle. The Latitude of NYC is about 38 degrees North, so the angle of the sun leads that at Latitude 23 degrees where the Equinox is still eleven days ahead. In other words the period of daylight is already shortening in NYC.

It is easily explainable why that is an airplane. . . . or a very large bird.



but the 1) fuselage was in the 'shadow' of the building!
and 2) your alleged glint is over 4 times the diameter of the alleged fuselage.
3) I cant identify a plane, I cant even identify a blob more like a smudge, can you identify a plane or are you imagining one?



explain.



The North Tower was the first to be hit. In your picture we can see the South Tower behind it. So, obviously the photo was taken from the north looking south. The shadow of the plane is apparent and confirms that the plane was descending from west to east.

We can see the flashes of bouncing sunlight while the fuselage is above the roof of the building.

There were no explosions prior to impact.

An hour passed after impact and before the building collapsed. That time line alone negates a controlled implosion.



But vince how can we see little birds flapping their wings but not a huge jumbo jet?
You arent avoiding that question are you?

Oh? So the alleged plane allegedly flying 586mph was above the roof until it was 50 feet from impact and the jihackers pressed their quantum googly moogly shifter button and shifted 20 stories lower to impact on the 90th floor.

Come on vince stop pulling our leg. you know full well quantum googly moogly shifters dont exist.

but vince even on your smudge that you claim is a plane (despite we can see tiny birds fine) the shadow of the smudge on the building still would have to meet itself before you see a flash, but the flash happened long before that point.

Vince a flash with nothing there to cause it looks like an explosion what possible reason would you say it does not?

Do you have something more rational to tell us than the plane did a quantum googly moogly?










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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/22/2016 9:36:14 PM   
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Oh? So the alleged plane allegedly flying 586mph was above the roof until it was 50 feet from impact and the jihackers pressed their quantum googly moogly shifter button and shifted 20 stories lower to impact on the 90th floor.

The plane is showing reflections while it was above the roof line is what I meant to say. Before it descended. It may have been coming in from a southwesterly direction. If you can see birds you can clearly see the reflections off the plane. Are you telling me there were explosions above the roof line? The birds, at least, were not stupid. They got the fuck outta there. It is impossible to judge from the video how far south of the building the plane was when the sun bounced off it.

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RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! - 9/23/2016 12:06:04 AM   
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Oh? So the alleged plane allegedly flying 586mph was above the roof until it was 50 feet from impact and the jihackers pressed their quantum googly moogly shifter button and shifted 20 stories lower to impact on the 90th floor.

The plane is showing reflections while it was above the roof line is what I meant to say. Before it descended. It may have been coming in from a southwesterly direction. If you can see birds you can clearly see the reflections off the plane. Are you telling me there were explosions above the roof line? The birds, at least, were not stupid. They got the fuck outta there. It is impossible to judge from the video how far south of the building the plane was when the sun bounced off it.



what plane?

1) you still have not pointed out a plane in either the naudet pic or video.
To believe there is a plane when none can be seen would mean you are delusional.

Here is a plane shot with your every day cheapo consumer camera at over 3 miles out.



Tack sharp I see a plane in this video, the naudet brothers were less 1000 feet using professional equipment and we cannot see a plane only a smudge.

2) The birds can easily be seen but the plane cannot be seen in the naudet at merely 1000 feet away with professional equipment, that is impossible.

I dont need to remind you that over 3 miles is over 16,000 feet away do I?



Here is a pic showing it was impossible for the sun to cast a shadow of an approaching object on the north side of the building yet the alleged plane has a huge shadow.




As we can see after 8:15 the sun was incapable of casting a shadow on the north side of wtc1.

This should also clear up termys question.

2) Vince a 'glint' cannot be any larger than the object creating it.

3) the 'glint' was in front of the alleged (cgi) plane.

4) the 'glint' was over 4 times larger than the diameter of the fuselage.

5) If we pretend and wind the clock back to 8am a time at which it would have been possible for the alleged plane to cast a shadow on wtc 1 north wall the alleged plane would have been a mere couple feet from the wall, as the sun would have been only a couple degrees axial to the wall face

Vince the plane cannot be in 2 places at once except a in sci fi movie. What you are trying to sell us is that an alleged plane traveling at 586 mph can be over 20 stories (roofline) above its impact zone (90th floor) while only a mere few feet from the building before impact mere microseconds from impact and somehow drop down 20 floors to the 90th floor where it allegedly impacted the building.

If the plane were in fact real, and the speed were in fact possible, and you told me it was doing a near vertical nose dive or was 10 miles out I might be little more inclined to even consider it.

Like anything else with the 911 terrorist fairy tale the 'official story' defenders always look quite foolish attempting to defend it. but be my guest. I noticed gauge has not returned to defend his claims defending the official story either. The official 'story' is indefensible when looked at closely and as you can see you have to check out everything and as you can see will find a long list of impossibilities that simply cannot happen in the real world. Thats why there are several people offering over 100,000 bucks to anyone who can produce an original 'real' video of a plane impacting the building. You and anyone else here can make a quick 1/2 million.

(so T, your concern about the building wall face not being perfectly north was valid, as that side does get sunlight prior to 8am on sept 11.)


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