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vincentML -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/13/2016 8:39:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Three things that matter here:

This trial has been "oft-delayed" for years.
In Germany and Austria there is no limitation period for murder and genocide.
At age 95 he is not likely to serve prison time whatever the outcome; so this trial is a procedure to investigate what happened, not to send him to prison.

I understand you have an advantage in making that judgment, however, a couple of points. These old men are in prison while awaiting trial. They are certainly in an emotional prison. And really after seventy years an investigation to find out what happened? I find that dubious.




WickedsDesire -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/13/2016 9:07:51 AM)

At 95 the bloodhounds should leave him alone his story I do not know

Curious things happen with mob mentality - there are better designated names for that but that is what it is. Genocide and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment to name but a couple.

What constitutes a war crime- I will cite two imo. There are plethora encompassing the globe.
1. Iran Air Flight 655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
2. Sinking of the ARA General Belgrano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano




KJoeDuo -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/13/2016 4:34:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Anyway- you get the idea- this is an evolutionary process to eliminate excuses for battlefield and civilian actions that violate human rights


This evolution of legal sentiment is all post facto the events at Auschwitz, however.


Against civilians and in regard to the Genocide of the Jews during the Nazi years/occupations (Auschwitz was just one camp) - yes. Against combatants since sometime in antiquity (Jus In Bello).

I don't understand your point in bringing this up, however... (?)




KJoeDuo -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/13/2016 4:38:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Three things that matter here:

This trial has been "oft-delayed" for years.
In Germany and Austria there is no limitation period for murder and genocide.
At age 95 he is not likely to serve prison time whatever the outcome; so this trial is a procedure to investigate what happened, not to send him to prison.

I understand you have an advantage in making that judgment, however, a couple of points. These old men are in prison while awaiting trial. They are certainly in an emotional prison. And really after seventy years an investigation to find out what happened? I find that dubious.


In some instances (not saying this is one) evidence was buried and/or obfuscated to prevent detection. Additionally, many records were destroyed and some buried in the former bureaucracy that was Nazi Germany... it takes time to sift through and prove someone (most often who claims they were not) was a criminal.




vincentML -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/13/2016 6:51:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KJoeDuo


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Anyway- you get the idea- this is an evolutionary process to eliminate excuses for battlefield and civilian actions that violate human rights


This evolution of legal sentiment is all post facto the events at Auschwitz, however.


Against civilians and in regard to the Genocide of the Jews during the Nazi years/occupations (Auschwitz was just one camp) - yes. Against combatants since sometime in antiquity (Jus In Bello).

I don't understand your point in bringing this up, however... (?)

in bringing what up, please?




vincentML -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/13/2016 7:11:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KJoeDuo

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Three things that matter here:

This trial has been "oft-delayed" for years.
In Germany and Austria there is no limitation period for murder and genocide.
At age 95 he is not likely to serve prison time whatever the outcome; so this trial is a procedure to investigate what happened, not to send him to prison.

I understand you have an advantage in making that judgment, however, a couple of points. These old men are in prison while awaiting trial. They are certainly in an emotional prison. And really after seventy years an investigation to find out what happened? I find that dubious.


In some instances (not saying this is one) evidence was buried and/or obfuscated to prevent detection. Additionally, many records were destroyed and some buried in the former bureaucracy that was Nazi Germany... it takes time to sift through and prove someone (most often who claims they were not) was a criminal.

Of course, you are correct, records do go astray. But Demjanjuk was apparently falsely identified in Israel in 1988 by eleven Holocaust survivors as "Ivan the Terrible" at Treblinka and so the Israel Supreme Court set him free. He was deported to Germany from Ohio and found guilty again in 2011 based on testimony again not records. He had been a Ukrainian drafted into the Soviet army ffs.

In general, I agree with you, but these old men are not being tried for specific crimes they did as individuals. They are being tried and found guilty by association. I find that troubling.





sloguy02246 -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/13/2016 7:31:27 PM)

FR -

95 years old?
What a waste of time and money.

Sounds like this "court" is just trying to justify its continued existence, as it has pretty much run out of people to prosecute.




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/14/2016 6:39:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

The guards were all considered to be guilty and many were shot out of hand by liberating troops. Many tried to put on prison clothes and hide in among the inmates but they were soon found or given up.

The excuse of being under orders didn't wash either because every german soldier ( S.S. included) had the right to request a transfer to a combat unit and his commanding officer was obliged to fulfil that request




nice they were shot without being under orders so they are guilty of murder straight up right




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/14/2016 6:45:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

According to the indictment Zafke is accused of knowing that he worked in an extermination camp and that he was 'supportive of the running of this extermination camp.'

They added; 'Given his awareness, the accused lent support to the organisation of the camp and was thereby both involved in and advanced the extermination with these cruel and insidious killings of at least 3,681 people.'

source


Is his "awareness" a basis for conviction?


the scam of the century, there is no such thing as a death camp, neither is there such a thing as an extermination camp and the closest thing that comes to it was eisenhowers camp where he outright murdered nearly 2 million germans AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER by denying them food, water, shelter from the brutal elements, or medicines, and prevented the locals from donating the little food they had while the americans had huge over abundance of food and burned much of the food in front of the prisoners.

The is and never was any evidence of gassing or eisen schwantens definition of extermination.

the word exterminate used in the context of genocide was a word FIRST used by eisenhower to describe what he did to the germans at dresden and many other cities that they TERROR bombed, not what the germans did to the camp interns. Hitler used the correct meaning, the queens english at that time.
[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/holycausts/exterminate/Exterminatess.gif[/img]



wooden nickels





Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/14/2016 7:40:01 PM)

The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies


For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of torture and terror -- became the basis not simply of a transitory propaganda campaign but of the conviction that, yes, it was true: the Germans did exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas chambers.

Reality

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching military public information officers, government spokesmen, politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]

Dr. Larson's findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]


Typhus, Not Poison Gas

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.

As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows: [5]

Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that, homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...

Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced.

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases." [6]

Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.


so lets see how long idjits will continue to call the camps death camp and extermination camps.




Termyn8or -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/14/2016 9:36:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

FR -

95 years old?
What a waste of time and money.

Sounds like this "court" is just trying to justify its continued existence, as it has pretty much run out of people to prosecute.


There is a real possibility of that.

T^T




blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 2:58:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies

Dr. Larson's findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."



Just one question: could traces of poison gas be found when the dead were burned to ashes and the ashes scattered? I guess not, so that witness' testimony's relevance is limited.




If anyone asks why those trials are still needed here you have the answer: to find more witnesses as long as there is the chance.








bounty44 -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 7:11:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

the scam of the century, there is no such thing as a death camp, neither is there such a thing as an extermination camp...

The is and never was any evidence of gassing...


sorry---youre a nut job.

as for your Eisenhower bilge, please read these:

https://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses




WhoreMods -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 7:53:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
the scam of the century, there is no such thing as a death camp, neither is there such a thing as an extermination camp...

Not even the ones that the evil gubblemint is building in the midwest to wipe out all of the conspiracy nutsclear sighted freethinkers who aren't fooled by the ZOG and their lies when the conspiracy takes over completely and abolishes free will for good?




vincentML -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 1:23:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies

Dr. Larson's findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."



Just one question: could traces of poison gas be found when the dead were burned to ashes and the ashes scattered? I guess not, so that witness' testimony's relevance is limited.




If anyone asks why those trials are still needed here you have the answer: to find more witnesses as long as there is the chance.






Witness testimony was abundant in Adolph Eichmann's 1968 trial. Only a few loony tunes deny the Holocaust occurred. So, I wonder at the motivation to continue trying these old men? What's brewing in the German social mind at this late date? Is the guilt still a huge burden? Is that why so many refugees were admitted from Syria? Wondering? Must have been difficult coming of age in those circumstances.




vincentML -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 1:45:25 PM)

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Dr. Larson's findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]
sigh . . . .

Still clinging to your Holocaust denial delusion?

That is not exactly what Dr. Larson said. Here is a reproduction of his words:

"The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or the another. However, we did probe into such questions as, 'What happened to those prisoners who became psychotic at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?' Well, they took those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken to a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false shower heads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.' Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think this is what happened to most of the truly psychotic prisoners and those they considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo's opinion, were incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death was imminent, and when they grew so weak they could no longer work or function, they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them 'mercy killings' because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer." ('Crime Doctor,' McCallum & Larson, p. 61. ISBN 0-916076-20-2; Library of Congress Catalog Number: 78-16403)

First, you will note that your Dr. Larson confirms the existence of the gas chambers and the crematoria.

Secondly, he says that very few of the inmates he personally examined were murdered by gas. That does not account for all of those who were reduced to ashes during the previous three years. So, his comment is totally irrelevant as history.

Thirdly, notice he again confirms the process of disposal by cyanide gas and cremation.

Your Holocaust denial is destroyed by your own selected authority.

Get over it.

Dr. Larson




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 5:27:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Dr. Larson's findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]
sigh . . . .

Still clinging to your Holocaust denial delusion?

That is not exactly what Dr. Larson said. Here is a reproduction of his words:

"The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or the another. However, we did probe into such questions as, 'What happened to those prisoners who became psychotic at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?' Well, they took those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken to a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false shower heads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.' Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think this is what happened to most of the truly psychotic prisoners and those they considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo's opinion, were incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death was imminent, and when they grew so weak they could no longer work or function, they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them 'mercy killings' because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer." ('Crime Doctor,' McCallum & Larson, p. 61. ISBN 0-916076-20-2; Library of Congress Catalog Number: 78-16403)

First, you will note that your Dr. Larson confirms the existence of the gas chambers and the crematoria.

Secondly, he says that very few of the inmates he personally examined were murdered by gas. That does not account for all of those who were reduced to ashes during the previous three years. So, his comment is totally irrelevant as history.

Thirdly, notice he again confirms the process of disposal by cyanide gas and cremation.

Your Holocaust denial is destroyed by your own selected authority.

Get over it.

Dr. Larson



Shit NO I am not denying the holocaust are you shittin me? I always ask 'which one', do you deny that eisenhower and churchill which we have incontravertable proof torched nearly 1/2 ,illion germans in less than 24hours is a fact that makes the alleged hitler holocaust look amatuer.

The only reason I say alleged is because you cannot provide any evidence what so ever the stories are true.

So lets see now
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Toward the end of World War II, I was a US Army captain on the staff of Ambassador Robert Murphy, political advisor to General Eisenhower. I was at Dachau about a month after it had been liberated, either the end of May or the beginning of June, 1945. There was no gas chamber there, nor did I see one in the process of construction. What did occur was that some higher authority in the American occupation government, whether a civilian or military, I don't know, decreed that a gas chamber should be built, which was subsequently done.
I was also at the Buchenwald camp a few days after it was liberated on April 11, 1945. There was a crematory there but no gas chamber.

Homer G. Richey
Charlottesville, Virginia


Did you ever see:

6 - 7 minute mark completely debunks that method of gassing described, the lies are so outlandish and easily provable as such

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yor7rlFd-yI

and if that is not good enough here is one where they actually tried to gas people exactly the way they say in your above post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iI0qAIaJDM

So then these jews that were there that testified that the prisoners had all forms of entertainment and were abot to drink beer and buy cigarettes were what all lying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxFEtbawPCk

its well documented that typhus due to american and brit terror bombing is what killed the inmates
[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/holycausts/BelsenTyphus.jpg[/img]


Like everything else we get from the gubblmint lots of hot air and evidence to the contrary, feel free to dig yourself out from underneath all the problems with the story you posted.

and if all that aint good enough for you the city of dachau later issued an official statement that there were no gas chambers in dachau


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/holycausts/beeld.jpg[/image]


No I am sure there was a holocaust but I do need evidence feel free to provide it and oh, btw if you want to try and claim what larsens said I want the original document not a regurgitation but in this case it does not matter [:D]


Oh and btw, one question, assuming that hitler and his pals are NOT jews why would NOT JEWS be celebrating the religious jewish holocaust ritual? Were they like undercover jews maybe?







Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 5:45:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph

Three things that matter here:

This trial has been "oft-delayed" for years.
In Germany and Austria there is no limitation period for murder and genocide.
At age 95 he is not likely to serve prison time whatever the outcome; so this trial is a procedure to investigate what happened, not to send him to prison.



thats not the purpose, the purpose is to keep the jewish holocaust overshadowing the chrchill and eisenhower holocaust till the whole world is at a pointof revolting.

we dont want any of that 6 million reparations money to stop flowing, despte they are all long gone dead.




vincentML -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 9:05:50 PM)

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No I am sure there was a holocaust but I do need evidence feel free to provide it and oh, btw if you want to try and claim what larsens said I want the original document not a regurgitation but in this case it does not matter

Please. Your debate is an embarrassment. The quote I gave you was a paragraph from Dr. Larson's book. You omitted the salient results of his findings. You chose him as your authority. I didn't. If the book is available buy it and confirm for yourself. You are either very naive or totally dishonest in your representations. In either case you have no standing in this debate. Your evidence and your credibility are shattered by your lies. Really pitiful.

Secondly, your allegations against Eisenhower are not pertinent in any way to the historical reality of whether the Nazis exterminated millions by gas and by Einsatzgruppen squads.

Your position is undermined by your own evidence. You have self-destructed with your own argument.

[sm=anger.gif]




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 10:28:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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No I am sure there was a holocaust but I do need evidence feel free to provide it and oh, btw if you want to try and claim what larsens said I want the original document not a regurgitation but in this case it does not matter

Please. Your debate is an embarrassment. The quote I gave you was a paragraph from Dr. Larson's book. You omitted the salient results of his findings. You chose him as your authority. I didn't. If the book is available buy it and confirm for yourself. You are either very naive or totally dishonest in your representations. In either case you have no standing in this debate. Your evidence and your credibility are shattered by your lies. Really pitiful.

Secondly, your allegations against Eisenhower are not pertinent in any way to the historical reality of whether the Nazis exterminated millions by gas and by Einsatzgruppen squads.

Your position is undermined by your own evidence. You have self-destructed with your own argument.

[sm=anger.gif]




Not dishonest at all. The several quotes I gave you were from larsen and several others all of whom agree no mass gassing occurred at any camp.

If you pay attention Larsen talked about a few mercy killings, and a few mercy killings is not millions. It seems you have nice case of denial brewing.

If were were in court we could make a case that larsen later contradicted himself which countless people do from poitical pressure and the will to live.

You also prance past with out notice of the several others all of whom corroborated Larsens findings of no gassings.

You also deny the physics requirements to make the gas under the claimed circumstances is not possible. LOL

Further more even after that has been proven a fact in one of the above links you still pretend millions of jews were holocaused by impossible means.

Now thats dishonest.

oh and feel free to post any evidence you can scrounge up proving that all this gassing took place because the red cross only showed like 1/4 million jews are on record in the territories from the whole of ww2, compared to 1/2 million germans that eisenhower and churchill holocaused in less than 24 hours, and 2 million more by starvation after the war, which is a war crime btw.




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