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Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 10:43:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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No I am sure there was a holocaust but I do need evidence feel free to provide it and oh, btw if you want to try and claim what larsens said I want the original document not a regurgitation but in this case it does not matter

Please. Your debate is an embarrassment. The quote I gave you was a paragraph from Dr. Larson's book. You omitted the salient results of his findings. You chose him as your authority. I didn't. If the book is available buy it and confirm for yourself. You are either very naive or totally dishonest in your representations. In either case you have no standing in this debate. Your evidence and your credibility are shattered by your lies. Really pitiful.

Secondly, your allegations against Eisenhower are not pertinent in any way to the historical reality of whether the Nazis exterminated millions by gas and by Einsatzgruppen squads.

Your position is undermined by your own evidence. You have self-destructed with your own argument.

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Not dishonest at all. The several quotes I gave you were from larsen and several others all of whom agree no mass gassing occurred at any camp.

If you pay attention Larsen talked about a few mercy killings, and a few mercy killings is not millions. It seems you have nice case of denial brewing.

If were were in court we could make a case that larsen later contradicted himself which countless people do from poitical pressure and the will to live.

You also prance past with out notice of the several others all of whom corroborated Larsens findings of no gassings.

You also deny the physics requirements to make the gas under the claimed circumstances is not possible. LOL

Further more even after that has been proven a fact in one of the above links you still pretend millions of jews were holocaused by impossible means.

Now thats dishonest.

oh and feel free to post any evidence you can scrounge up proving that all this gassing took place because the red cross only showed like 1/4 million jews are on record in the territories from the whole of ww2, compared to 1/2 million germans that eisenhower and churchill holocaused in less than 24 hours, and 2 million more by starvation after the war, which is a war crime btw.



Certified statement from the occupation police no gassings.


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and I am also waiting for your explanation of why the city of Dachau issued an official statement that there were no gas chambers at dachau which sort says Larsen may have added that to his book from some sort of political pressure or do you think the city of Dachau is lying?





Its mind boggling that an extermination camp would sell the jews beer, wtf is up with that?


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Then if thats not bad enough do tell how the jews could possibly make a 3 million death toll mistake at auschwitz alone and then tell us why we and everyone else had to and continue to have to pay reparations for 3 million nonexistent dead people



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Clear up those inconsistencies for us ok?







Termyn8or -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 11:12:32 PM)

People do not ask the right questions and then wonder why they don't get the right answers.

First of all, and this is not just from D6MRD, they did not kill six million Jews. there were not six million Jews to kill ! Got it ?

There were rich Jews and poor Jews, the rich ones could afford to eigrate and they did, to various places. Because of what the rich Jews did nobody would take the poor Jews, even the US who got into the war pretty much on their behalf. And Englad the government of which was highly influenced by Zionists. The Jews had the opportunity to leave but nobody would take them not even England, not even anywhere. The rich ones fled with their money and the middle class ones got caught in the middle. you hear the stories about the Nazis pulling their gold teeth and torturing them for the numbers to their Swiss bank accounts ?

In a country where it took a wheelbarrel full of money to buy a loaf of bread they had Swiss bank accounts and gold teeth. What does that tell you ? What does that tell you about a wealth stratification, which is happening here and in most of Europe, with the bankers being the only ones aking money, and I mean making it, creating it on paper. In fact now they sell paper gold.

History is repeating itself because apparently our "leaders" did not learn from it. Or that they don't fucking care. And the latter is quite likely, just like the Jews with the Swiss bank accounts, how many US politicians have accounts i foreign countries and currencies ? How many of the banksters also ? I bet a Google on that will be a waste of time. That is all private like Clinton's emails on our behalf, but unlike your medical and financial records that just about anyone in bumfuct India can get, or emails and phone calls between you and your lawyer(s). I am leaning towards they don't care because they think they will not suffer any consequences. Well history shoiws that shit only lasts so long ad then the People revolt. They think they can handle it.

OK motherfuckers, let's see you give the US nuclear codes to the US military and have them nuke the US. Do you REALLY think they are going to do that ? How about biological and chemical weapons ? You are going to ask them to kill their own families ? And you think they are going to roll tanks down the street shooting up hospitals, apartment buildings and whatever ? You really think the US military is drugged up enough to do that ? I have my doubts.

Militaries have taken over other countries and people who don't think it can happen here are fucking ignorant. Who the fuck do you think supports these scumsuckers ? Well sooner or later they might just get sick of it. All it takes is one speech to the ranks by a general and the world changes overnight. It has happened lots of times. I don't believe there is a big chance of that, but that depends on whatever the President does, or tries to do.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/15/2016 11:33:57 PM)

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Snipped the bullshit. What about the Katyn forest massacre ? Blamed o the Germans by the Soviets. What's more, most of the information we got on the subject was fro the Soviets, and you know we can trust them right ? And a VERY hidden FACT is that the Soviet regime was run by Jews. When they were talking about not letting Jews out of Russia it was suck bullshit. Russia wanted them to pay for their free education if anything when they were losing power there and starting to see the collapse of their empire. Then Putin got in there and really pissed them off but they don't have the balls to say anything about it. They don't even have the balls to attack Iran, they still want us to do it and I am pretty sure Hillary Clinton will because they own her. Trump's advances toward Putin indicate that they do not own him. He might be an asshole but he is not a traitor. Ad if he gets elected I think Putin is going to have a talk with him ad that is more likely to result in peace than the stance that Clinton will clearly take. She wanted war when she was secretary but Obama stopped her. That is his only accomplishment as Presidet and if they elecet that bitch it will be FOR SURE all undone. Elect Trump and it MIGHT happen, but elect her and it WILL happen.

That is the way I see it at this time.

And she is an Israel firster. What's worse is it isn't even because of religion (which is bad enough), it is because they paid her.

I am sick of these k---s meddling in US politics. Fucking AIPAC should be thrown out of the country and everyone who ever sent them a fucking dime. Morris Dees belongs in jail, Abe Foxman should go live in the country he loves. Hillary Clinton should be forced to live in the Gaza Strip, for about five minutes because that is how log she would last there.

These motherfuckers just never give up or cut any slack for anyone.

If you know what they really do and what they really did you realize why the Nazis did what they did.

T^T\

I do not know how to fix this, those are not his words they are mine.

And don't send me to an instruction page, reading actually hurt my eyes these days. But I qpologize that it came out thart way.

T^T




blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 4:09:08 AM)


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If anyone asks why those trials are still needed here you have the answer: to find more witnesses as long as there is the chance.


Witness testimony was abundant in Adolph Eichmann's 1968 trial. Only a few loony tunes deny the Holocaust occurred. So, I wonder at the motivation to continue trying these old men? What's brewing in the German social mind at this late date? Is the guilt still a huge burden? Is that why so many refugees were admitted from Syria? Wondering? Must have been difficult coming of age in those circumstances.


Good questions for sure. But I can't speak for the "German social mind" but rather just for me as an individual. The "guilt" as a burden, either collective or individual, I 'd say is not an issue. We are talking about the generation of great-grandparents and grandparents, in many cases deceased long ago, some of them I never met and feel no personal responsibility for their actions I know nothing about. As a member of the German public the point is rather that many cases did not go to trial in the past decades and the public (if ever) wants to know what happened. Time is running out to take records.

A connection to the response to last year's refugee crisis? Not because of "guilt" for sure. If any historical link then because about a quarter of the German population were refugees themselves or their descendants and post war Germany had to and did cope with several millions of them. I remember my grandmother who had fled as an 8 year old crying for hours when she saw Syrian children last year and saying it was just like what happened to her and she re-lived her memories again, and horrible memories these were indeed.

One should also never forget that there were Germans on both sides of the camps' barbed wires. I got ancestors who were inside and ancestors outside the camps (not my choice). During the first postwar decades hardly anyone wanted to talk about what happened and who did what. That silence affected the next generations also, in many ways, to find out what was behind those family mysteries. What did great-grandpa X really do within those years who wears party regalia on every of the few pics in the family photoalbum and who was killed on the front in '45? Who and what got grand-grand-grand-cousin Y out of Haar before euthanasia started? This sort of questions affected many in my parents' generation who could not get any informations.

Prosecution of crimes was done by the Allies, and soon affected by cold war too; one should also know that many important records like the Berlin Document Center holding the NSDAP party files were in Allied hands and in many ways off limits for Germans; many files in Russian archives still are. So indeed many things were swept under the carpet, in public as well as in private life. The trials changed that. They have never been popular, and the discussions just like here on the board have been going on for decades in Germany. In a few years these things will be buried in archives and history books, but while there is still a chance to get personal statements from eyewitnesses that chance should be used. And so far every trial revealed evidence unknown before.

It may be unpleasant for those on trial now in their 90s, but so it was in the past decades when those on trial then were in their 70s or 80s - the discussion pops up every time with the same arguments. These trials are still important though I think. They did not stop war crimes from happening after 1945 but I think it is important to demonstrate that no war criminal (whether German or not) should feel safe from prosecution ever.




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 7:55:58 AM)

As I said, the trials only serve to perpetuate the lies.

Someone really needs to tell us why non-jews would practice the jewish religious holocaust ritual?

Its a well known fact that when gubblmints censor information or records they are doing something illegal and conspiring against the inhabitants.





tj444 -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 9:18:00 AM)


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Someone really needs to tell us why non-jews would practice the jewish religious holocaust ritual?



History and the unfortunate fact that history repeats.. You think the US (already a police state) is immune from something similar, especially if Trump (who is very Hitler-like in his ability to stir up hate) wins.. Just change a few of the words dude, same shite, same tactics, different dictator..

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Niemöller on January 6, 1946





vincentML -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 10:08:27 AM)

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Good questions for sure. But I can't speak for the "German social mind" but rather just for me as an individual. The "guilt" as a burden, either collective or individual, I 'd say is not an issue. We are talking about the generation of great-grandparents and grandparents, in many cases deceased long ago, some of them I never met and feel no personal responsibility for their actions I know nothing about.

Thank you for your comments. They are quite illuminating and not really surprising given the distance between your generation and mine. It is a conceit of the older generation to project their experiences and formative social constructs upon the younger generation and then fall back in surprise when the youth do not have the same information nor interpret issues as we do. On the other hand we in the (formerly) Allied world (I am not sure quite how to categorize us any more) have so many scholarly books, documentaries, and movie dramas about the era of the Holocaust that it seems a little surprising that you do not have similar information available to you. And yet on the third hand [:D] we are informed with similar shock that our own Millennials do not share our information and mind sets. From here it is hard to judge the reality of your need to know more when it seems, again from here, that the Nazi Era and the Holocaust are so well known in detail, ignoring the foolish man on this thread who denies the reality of the Holocaust despite the challenging remarks of his own selected authority. It is amusing to see RO boldly trumpet Dr. Larson's alleged claim that there was no gas but the real fun is to watch him twist and dance at the end of a thin rope of rejection of his source when we are clear that Dr. Larson's writing and research illuminates the horrible reality of the Shoah.

Another thing that comes to mind, Miss, is the realization that you probably came of age in an environment that was not engulfed in manufactured warrior patriotism quite unlike what we suffer here where our most popular sport is preparatory for war games. I cannot imagine that Germany would suffer a controversy like the one we are currently embroiled in about respect for our anthem, our flag, and our warriors. It must be refreshing except it is what you know and I do not.

Thanks again.




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 11:42:25 AM)

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Good questions for sure. But I can't speak for the "German social mind" but rather just for me as an individual. The "guilt" as a burden, either collective or individual, I 'd say is not an issue. We are talking about the generation of great-grandparents and grandparents, in many cases deceased long ago, some of them I never met and feel no personal responsibility for their actions I know nothing about.



From here it is hard to judge the reality of your need to know more when it seems, again from here, that the Nazi Era and the Holocaust are so well known in detail, ignoring the foolish man on this thread who denies the reality of the Holocaust despite the challenging remarks of his own selected authority. It is amusing to see RO boldly trumpet Dr. Larson's alleged claim that there was no gas but the real fun is to watch him twist and dance at the end of a thin rope of rejection of his source when we are clear that Dr. Larson's writing and research illuminates the horrible reality of the Shoah.

Thanks again.



But the jewish shoah interviews said they had beer, pools, theater, orchestra, and travel from camp to camp, and cigarettes, their own money.

There are so many countries with 6 million jews being holocausted Iits hard to keep tract of them all


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Worse I never expected you to be one who would dive under a rock in denial when faced with mountains of evidence. Unfortunately your responses show that instead of researching the material you champion with such flowery words you merely accepted possibly one of the largest wooden nickels of this century. History of the 6 million jew fund drives:

Whats your estimate Vince, about a trillion or so jews have died so far?


HOLOCAUST Handbooks Series, Vol. 6
Don Heddesheimer - The First Holocaust

Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During and After World War One - The First Holocaust features an amazing collection of press clippings and propaganda articles dating back to the late 19th century that make claims of the suffering and imminent extermination of European Jewry.

Among such articles we find that Jews have, dozens of times before WWII, invoked the cabalistic “6,000,000″ number as the number of Jews on the verge of death and destruction during various periods of turmoil and conflict in Europe and Russia. Undoubtedly, this book exposes the deliberate fraudulence of these sinister Zionist campaigns and media blitzes — long before Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in1933 — designed to elicit public sympathy and financial support for Jewish political ambitions, such as Zionism and Communism.

The obsessive invocation of the cabalistic fable of “6,000,000 dead or dying Jews” dating back at least four decades prior to the events of WWII directly undermines and betrays the notion that 6,000,000 Jews perished in Europe between 1939-1945, as Jews have claimed.


1902

Originally Posted by Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, 1902, page 482

While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded...

1903

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 18th, 1903, page 6

[...] six million downtrodden brethren.

1904

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 19th, 1904, page 2

[...] where five or six million people existed under persecution.

1904

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 7th, 1904

[...] the final and definite deliverance of the six millions of Russian, Roumanian and Galician Jews [...] transporting five or six million people over the sea.

1905

Originally Posted by New York Times, January 29th, 1905

He declared that a free and a happy Russia, with its 6,000,000 Jews, would possibly mean the end of Zionism, since the abolition of the autocracy would practically eliminate the causes that brought Zionism into existence.

1905

Originally Posted by New York Times, November 1st, 1905

From 1800 to 1902 he caused 6,000,000 Jewish families to be expelled from Russia [...]

1906

Originally Posted by New York Times, March 25th, 1906

[...] the condition and future of Russia's 6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan [...]

1907

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 18th, 1907, page 13

[...] for six million people cannot emigrate.

1908

Originally Posted by Deseret Evening News, March 17th, 1908

[...] poverty, starvation and disease are the afflictions which now beset the six million Jews in that country and Roumania.

1908

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 7th, 1908

[...] when six million Russian Jews are crying [...]

1910

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 4th, 1910

SIX MILLION BABIES SAVED BY STRAUS.

1911

Originally Posted by The Zionist Congress, 1911

[...] complete annihilation for six million people [...]

1911

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 18th, 1911, page 14

Very soon a fervid Russian patriotism will reign in every Ghetto, and the melting-up of the race begin. But this absorption of the five or six million Jews [...]

1911

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 25th, 1911

[...] six million Jews are still groaning under the most terrible yoke.

1911

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 1st, 1911

[...] the downfall lf six million creatures [...] for no war has ever destroyed six million human lives.

1911

Originally Posted by New York Times, October 31st, 1911

The 6,000,000 Jews of Russia are singled out for systematic oppression and for persecution due to process of law.

1912

Originally Posted by American Jewish Year Book 5672 (23 Sep 1911 - 11 Sep 1912), page 308:

Russia has since 1890 adopted a deliberate plan to expell or exterminate six millions of its people for no other reason than that they refuse to become members of the Greek Church, but prefer to remain Jews.

1912

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), January 5th, 1912

[...] more than six million Jews reside in small towns and villages there is no Sabbath question.

1914

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), July 10th, 1914, page 9

[...] where six million Jews are suffering [...]

1914

Originally Posted by New York Times, December 2nd, 1914, page 12

APPEAL FOR AID FOR JEWS. [...] the plight of more than 6,000,000 Jews [...] upon the Jewish people, more than nine millions of whom live in the countries at war and over six million of these in the actual war zone in Poland, Galicia and the whole of Russian frontier.

1915

Originally Posted by New York Times, January 14th, 1915, page 3

In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow [...]

1915

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 19th, 1915

How the casting of six million people into the deepest abyss of servitude and outlawry is to relieve tension we cannot understand.

1915

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), June 25th, 1915

The annihilation of the six million Jews now congregated in the Russian domains goes on in a well defined and systematic manner.

1915

Originally Posted by New York Tribune, October 14th, 1915

What the Turks are doing to Armenians is child's play compared to what Russia is doing to six million Jews, her own subjects.

1915

Originally Posted by The Mercury, December 4th, 1915

[...] six millions of Russian and Polish Jews are to-day the most pitiable victims of that race hatred and that race fanaticism which have been the creed of Germany [...]

1916

Originally Posted by The Jews in the Eastern War Zone, The American Jewish Committee, 1916

[...] where six million human beings guilty only of adherence to the Jewish faith are compelled to live out their lives in squalor and misery, in constant terror of massacre [...] estimated at six million or more [...] of these six million people [...] a kind of prison with six million inmates [...] The persons most affected, the six million Jews of Russia [...] The Jews are loyal and brave, and it is most inadvisable to pursue a policy which might convert six million subjects into enemies. [...] the six million Jews of Russia still continued [...] nearly three of the six million [...]

1916

Originally Posted by The Tacoma Times, February 28th, 1916

[...] there were 6,000,000 Jews in Europe absolutely without food or resources.

1916

Originally Posted by New York Times, February 28th, 1916

Nearly six million Jews are ruined in the greatest moral and material misery; millions of them are refugees, dependent upon the good will of their brethren.

1916

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 3rd, 1916

"Nearly six million Jews are ruined."

1916

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 31st, 1916, page 6

Position of the Jews in Russia. The Jews in Russia, numbering about six million, are denied full political and civil rights and are economically oppressed.

1916

Originally Posted by El Paso Herald., April 22nd, 1916, page 5

Six Million Jews Are Deprived Of Papers By Russian Censorship. [...] Six million Jews have been robbed of their newspapers.

1916

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 4th, 1916

[...] six million Jews [...]

1918

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh) - Volume 50 Issue 2, September 5th, 1918

[..] Russia, where the bulk of the Jewish people to the number of well over six million still dwell, is a land of blood and midnight darkness.

1918

Originally Posted by New York Times, October 18th, 1918

Six million Souls Will Need Help to Resume Normal Life When War Is Ended. [...] Committee of American Jews Lays Plans for the Greatest Humanitarian Task in History. [...] 6,000,000 Jews Need Help.

1919

Originally Posted by The Watchman and Southron, April 5th, 1919

Six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia are dying of starvation. [...] These six million despairing souls are totally dependent on American generosity for the bare necessities of life.

1919

Originally Posted by El Paso Herald., April 7th, 1919

[...] to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German Terror.

1919

Originally Posted by New York Times, September 8th, 1919, page 6

127,000 Jews Have Been Killed and 6,000,000 Are in Peril. [...] 6,000,000 souls in Ukrainia and in Poland have received notice through action and by word that they are going to be completely exterminated - this fact stands before the whole world as the paramount issue of the present day.

1919

Originally Posted by San Francisco Chronicle, October 19th, 1919, page 18

6,000,000 JEWS IN BREAD LINE, STRAUS WRITES. More Than Third of Entire Race in World Reduced to Despair in Europe. [...] Six million Jews, out of the 16,000,000 in the world [...]

1919

Originally Posted by Cape Vincent Eagle, October 23rd, 1919

[...] there are six million people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. [...] When read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or of my religion.

1919

Originally Posted by The American Hebrew, October 31st, 1919, page 582

The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop! From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help [...] Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. [...] In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand. Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life [...] bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life [...] in the name of the humanity of Moses to six million famished men and women. Six million men and women are dying [...] six million Jewish men and women are starring across the seas [...]

1919

Originally Posted by The Evening Tribune Providence, October 31st, 1919, page 11

In the midst of our campaign for the relief of the six million Jews of Eastern Europe [...]

1919

Originally Posted by Felix M. Warburg, New York Times, November 12th, 1919

The Jews were the worst sufferers in the war. The successive blows of contending armies have all but broken the back of European Jewry and have reduced to tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth.

1919


Originally Posted by The Toledo News-Bee, December 27th, 1919

Six Million Human Beings Are Suffering the Tortures of Disease, Hunger and Death [...] American Jewish Relief Committee

1920

Originally Posted by Tulsa Daily World, April 11th, 1920, section B, page 14

Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race

1920

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 1st, 1920, page 8

Just Another Drive, but the Lives of 6,000,000 Human Beings Wait Upon the Answer.

1920

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 2nd, 1920, page 1

[...] six million human beings, without food, shelter, clothing or medical treatment.

1920

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 3rd, 1920, page 11

Your help is needed to save the lives of six million people in Eastern and Central Europe.

1920

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 5th, 1920, page 9

[...] to save six million men and women in Eastern Europe from extermination by hunger and disease.

1920

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 5th, 1920, page 19

Six million starving, fever-stricken sufferers in war-torn Europe appeal to us.

1920

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 7th, 1920

[...] Jewish war sufferers in Central and Eastern Europe where six millions face horrifying conditions of famine, disease and death.

1920

Originally Posted by The Ogden Standard-Examiner, August 20th, 1920

[...] there are six million Jews in eastern and central Europe whom the war has left dependent upon America.

1920

Originally Posted by New York Tribune, August 29th, 1920

"Six million Jews were made homeless by five years of foreign and domestic wars.

1921

Originally Posted by New York Times, July 20, 1921, page 2

BEGS AMERICA SAVE 6,000,000 IN RUSSIA. Russia's 6,000,000 Jews are facing extermination by massacre.

1926

Originally Posted by New York Times, April 21st, 1926

"In Heaven's Name, Arouse the Jews of America!" New York's Quota: $6,000,000 United Jewish Campaign of New York

1931

Originally Posted by The Montreal Gazette, December 28th, 1931, page 25

MILLION JEWS FACE STARVATION. [...] FEARS CRISIS AT HAND. [...] six million Jews in Eastern Europe face starvation, and even worse, during the coming winter.

1932

Originally Posted by Symphony of Six Million, film, April 29th, 1932

Directed by Gregory La Cava, written by Fannie Hurst (story), J. Walter Ruben, Bernard Schubert (screenplay), starring Ricardo Cortez.

1933

Originally Posted by New York Times, March 29, 1933

It is now active in relief and reconstructive work in Eastern Europe where 6,000,000 Jews are involved.

1933

Originally Posted by New York Times, June 1st, 1933, page 6

Dr. Margoshes said he had received a letter from the poet at Zurich a few days ago, statig that she had "run away from the holocaust" [...]

1933

Originally Posted by The Jewish Western Bulletin, September 21st, 1933

At this period of human persecution and of human destruction, when life, especially Jewish life has ceased to be of any value in the cruel land of bloody Germany, when the lives of hundreds of thousands are tortured and hang in the balance - during this holocaust [...]

1935

Originally Posted by New York Times, September 8th, 1935, page 26

The preliminary session of the first world conference of the Federation of Polish Jews being attended by sixty delegates from eighteen countries representing 6,000,000 Jews [...]

1936

Originally Posted by Chaim Weizmann: Reden und Aufsatze 1901-1936. jud. Bucherverlag Erwin Lowe, Berlin 1937

Declared the 6 million number to be symbolic of the Jewish destiny.

1936

Originally Posted by Chaim Weizmann, 1936

It is no exaggeration to say that six million Jews are sentenced to be imprisoned in this part of the world, where they are unwanted, and for whom the countries are divided into those, where they are unwanted, and those, where they are not admitted.

1936

Originally Posted by Israeli Government Year Book of 1953

Dr. [Chaim] Weizmann spoke to Peel Commission sent out by Britain in 1936 of six million Jews in European countries who had neither hope nor future save in the land of Israel.

1936

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 31st, 1936, page 14

AMERICANS APPEAL FOR JEWISH REFUGE. The petition, in expressing the opinion of enlightened Christian leadership in the United States, favoring a larger Jewish immigration into Palestine, stressed the intolerable sufferings of the millions of Jews in "the European holocaust." [...] to save these unfortunate millions from total annihilation [...]

1936

Originally Posted by The Jewish Western Bulletin, June 12nd, 1936, page 3

Great Britain has it within her power to throw open the gates of Palestine and let in the victimized and persecuted Jews escaping from the European holocaust.

1936

While in Western Europe many individual Jews had happy homes, in Eastern Europe there were 6,000,000 unwanted unfortunates who were condemned to be penned up in places where they could not live. [...] the presence of these 6,000,000 people without a future whose condition was a threat to Europe.

1936

Originally Posted by Chaim Weizmann, The Jewish Western Bulletin, December 11th, 1936, page 3

[...] where six million Jews are in a position which is neither life nor death.

1937

Originally Posted by Jewish Western Bulletin, December 31st, 1937

The number six million is often used to describe the Jewish population of Central and Eastern Europe.

1938

Originally Posted by New York Times, January 9th, 1938, page 12

PERSECUTED JEWS SEEN ON INCREASE. 6,000,000 VICTIMS NOTED. [...] Five to six million in all are today the victims of governmental anti--Semitism [...]

1938

Originally Posted by New York Times, February 23rd, 1938, page 23

A depressing picture of 6,000,000 Jews in Central Europe deprived of protection or economic opportunities, slowly dying of starvation, all hope gone [...] Now anti-Semitism has spread to thirteen European nations, and threatens the very existence of millions of Jews.

1938

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), April 1st, 1938, page 15

I shall not comment upon the first except to remind you that six million Jews in Europe are struggling between life and death.

1938

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 2nd, 1938

The rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe today, which has deprived more than 6,000,000 Jews and non-Aryans of a birthright [...]

1938

Five or six million Jews, uprooted by dictatorship and tossed about by economic storms, may have to depend upon the development of the Holy Land, under British mandate, as a solution to their difficulties. But they face the hostility of the Arabs living there, whose economic and religious interests conflict with theirs. [...] ...protects the settlers from the raiding Arabs. [...] The Arabs Are Coming! [...] The dreaded Mohammedan raiders have been sighted by a neighbor settler...

1938

Originally Posted by The Times, November 22nd, 1938

Mass emigration of Jews to Palestine for two years and the formation of a Jewish national assembly was advocated by Sir John Haslam, M.P., in a message which he sent to a public meeting at the Kingsway Hall last night held by the New Zionist Organization. The message stated that the problem now involved some 6,000,000 Jews.

1939

Originally Posted by New York Times, January 15th, 1939, page 27

Rabbi Silver wanted assistance to Jewish emigration safeguarded so that European governments would realize that "it is impossible to evacuate 6,000,000 Jews."

1939

Originally Posted by The Canadian Jewish Chronicle, January 27th, 1939

Only six million Jews remain at the moment safe. But they will have to carry the burden.

1939

Originally Posted by Chaim Weizmann, The Palestine Post, February 14th, 1939

The fate of six million people was in balance [...]

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, February 17th, 1939, page 20

The fate of six million people is in the balance. [...] They supported their stand with a declaration that Jews never needed unrestricted immigration to Palestine as much as at present, with 6,000,000 Jewish refugees seeking a haven.

1939

Originally Posted by The Evening Independent, February 22nd, 1939, page 1

6,000,000 Helpless. [...] there are six million Jews in Europe today fighting desperately against intolerance and despair. For them the support of the united appeal is crucial.

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Western Bulletin, March 3rd, 1939

SIX MILLION JEWS OVERSEAS FACING PERSECUTION, DISCRIMINATION AND ECONOMIC RUIN [...]

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, April 7th, 1939, page 4

Not in Hitler's Hands, In Yours... The Fate Of Six Million European Jews

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, April 7th, 1939, page 33

[...] six million Jewish people who are in dire need today.

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, April 14th, 1939, page 4

Recent events in Central Europe have brought to 6,000,000 the total number of Jews in Central and Eastern European countries affected by anti-Semitic activities [...]

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, April 14th, 1939, page 6

[...] whether our 6,000,000 fellow countrymen will live or die [...] "More than a million refugees, starving, tortured, fear-dazed, have been dragged from their homes, separated from their families, expelled from their countries. Five million more, await with horror the moment this misery will strike them [...]
1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, April 21st, 1939, page 15

[...] the distress and suffering of 6,000,000 Jews in Europe. [...] HAVE YOU DONE YOUR DUTY? THE UNITED JEWISH FUND NEEDS YOUR HELP FOR THE HELPLESS 6,000,000 IN EUROPE

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, April 28th, 1939, page 3

[...] 6,000,000 fellow Jews who are in distress today.

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, May 5th, 1939, page 9

PLIGHT OF 6,000,000 [...] The 6,000,000 European Jews [...]

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, May 12th, 1939, page 7

The year of 1939 is the year of the most critical struggle of 6,000,000 European Jews.

1939

Originally Posted by Contemporary Jewish Record, Volume 2 July/August 1939 (Published by the American Jewish Committee)

[...] the coming ward would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe.

1939

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, October 13th, 1939, page 2

[...] the coming ward would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe.

1939

Originally Posted by The Southern Israelite, November 28th, 1939

[...] the coming ward would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe.
1940

Originally Posted by The Southern Israelite, May 3rd, 1940

"Almost six million Jews find themselves on the brink of starvation and extermination. Their only hope is the help which the Jews of America can extend to them. The success of the United Jewish Appeal will determine their fate.
1940

Originally Posted by New York Times, June 25th, 1940, page 4

Six million Jews in Europe are doomed to destruction, if the victory of Nazis should be final. [...] The chances for mass emigration and resettlement of European Jewry seems to be remote, and European Jews face the danger of physical annihilation. Even the 4,000,000 Jews under Soviet rule, although free from racial discrimination, are not safe in the event of a final Nazi victory.
1940

Originally Posted by The Palestine Post, July 1st, 1940, page 6

Nor must we despair that six million Jews will forever lose trace of their historic heritage.
1940

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, November 15th, 1940

J.N.F. to Raise $6,000,000 for Palestine During Coming Year. [...] the Jewish National Fund of America voted to raise $6,000,000 for the holy land's war needs during the coming year.
1941

Originally Posted by New York Times, October 2nd, 1941

[...] as to avoid the likelihood of another holocaust.
1941

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, November 28th, 1941

6,000,000 Jews in Europe Look to America for Aid, Says Warburg. Fully six million Jews in Europe [...]
1942

Originally Posted by The Jewish Spectator, Volume 7, 1942, page 53

Now, too, the unspeakable tragedy of almost six million Jews under nazi domination is not considered sufficiently important to be discussed.
1942

Originally Posted by The Palestine Post, November 1st, 1942

The Chief Rabbi, who spoke on behalf of Empire Jewry and Jews of the United Nations, as well as of all six million Jews in Europe, said that the deliberate extinction of the whole house of Israel was being carried out by Hitler's sadists and quislings on a scale beyond compare even in the annals of Israel.
1942

Originally Posted by New York Times, December 13th, 1942, page 21

Rabbi Israel Goldstein in Temple B'nai Jeshurun, Eighty-eighth Street, near Broadway, declared: "Authenticated reports point to 2,000,000 Jews who have already been slain by all manner of satanic barbarism, and plans for the total extermination of all Jews upon whom the Nazis can lay their hands. The slaughter of a third of the Jewish population in Hitler's domain and the threatened slaughter of all is a holocaust without parallel.
1942

Originally Posted by The Courier-Mail (Brisbane), December 19th, 1942

GERMAN HORROR CRIMES; ALLIES PROMISE JUSTICE. Statements issued simultaneously in London, Washington and Moscow, told at German barbarity and of proof of the Nazi determination to exterminate Jews. [...] Hitler's decision to exterminate the Jews [...] It is estimated that there are between five and six million Jews in Occupied Europe [...] Nazi Slaughter House. [...] Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe.
1942

Originally Posted by Barrier Miner (Australia), December 23rd, 1942

Mr. Silverman suggested that Australia and Canada could each absorb 6,000,000 Jews. [...] MOST ARE DOOMED [...] The Jewish Congress declares that 2,000,000 Jews have been exterminated so far.
1942

Originally Posted by The Massacre of a People: What the Democracies Can Do, 1943

The following article is an except from "Let My People Go," a pamphlet written on Christmas Day, 1942, in London. [...] Of the six million Jews or so who were living at the outbreak of the war in what is at present Nazi-occupied Europe, a high proportion -between one and two million- have been deliberately murdered by the Nazis and their satellites. [...] Unless something effective is done, within a very few months these six million Jews will all be dead [...]
1943

Originally Posted by American Zionist Emergency Council (from 1970 known as the American Zionist Movement) - "Palestine" - Volumes 1-5 (1943)

Jewish civilian casualties will be close to six million [...]
1943

Originally Posted by Debates: House of Commons, official report, volume 5, Canada, 1943

I should like to read a bit from a pamphlet entitled "Let My People Go," written by Victor Gollancz: Of the 6,000,000 Jews or so who were living at the outbreak of the war in what is at present nazi-occupied Europe, a high proportion -say between one and two million- have been deliberately murdered by the nazis and their satellites. [...] within a very few months these six million Jews will all be dead [...]
1943

Originally Posted by Contemporary Jewish Record, Volume 6 1943 (Published by the American Jewish Committee)

Suddenly, during the summer of 1942, world public opinion was shocked out of its lethargy by the realization that the Nazis had decreed the complete extinction of six million Jews and that a third of the victims had already perished.
1943

Originally Posted by The Canberra Times, January 25th, 1943

[...] Jews are being subjected as part of Hitler's plan to exterminate six million Jews in occupied Europe.
1943

Originally Posted by The (London) Times, January 25th, 1943

They note further that the extermination already carried out is part of the Carrying into effect of Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe, which means in effect the extermination of some 6,000,000 persons in the territories over which Hitler's rule has been extended.
1943

Originally Posted by Ben Hecht, Reader's Digest, February 1943, page 108

Of these 6,000,000 Jews almost a third have already been massacred by Germans, Rumanians and Hungarians, and the most conservative of the scorekeepers estimate that before the war ends at least another third will have been done to death.
1943

Originally Posted by New York Times, March 2nd, 1943

[...] appalling is the fact that those who proclaim the Four Freedoms have so far done very little to secure even the freedom to live for 6,000,000 of their Jewish fellow men by readiness to rescue those who might still escape Nazi torture and butchery.
1943

Originally Posted by The Advertiser (Adelaide, Australia), May 15th, 1943

[...] the possibility of the complete wiping out of six million Jews if something is not immediately done to secure a harbor of refuge.
1943

Originally Posted by Toledo Blade, August 27th, 1943

3,000,000 Jews Left In Europe - 5,300,000 Reported To Have Perished. Europe's Jewish population has been reduced from 8,300,000 to 3,000,000 during the 10 years the Nazis have been in power, says the Institute of Jewish Affairs.
1944

Originally Posted by The Palestine Post, January 23rd, 1944

Only a handful of Polish Jews survived the extermination. They were now either with the partisans in the forests or living as Crypto-Jews. The death toll was six million, they declared.
1944

Originally Posted by Rabbi Michael Dov Ber Weissmandl, May 15th, 1944

And you - our brothers in Palestine, in all the countries of freedom, and you, ministers of all the kingdom - how do you keep silent in the face of this great murder? Silent while thousand on thousands, reaching now to six million Jews, were murdered. And silent now while tens of thousands are still being murdered and waiting to be murdered? Their destroyed hearts cry to you for help as they bewail your cruelty. Brutal you are and murderers too you are, because of the cold-bloodedness of the silence in which you watch.
1944

Originally Posted by Rabbi Michael Dov Ber Weissmandel, May 31st, 1944

[...] heads of government and radio must announce what was done to our people in the slaughter house of Belzec, Malkinia (Treblinka), Sobibor, and Auschwitz. Till now six times a million Jews from Europe and Russia have been destroyed.
1944

Originally Posted by United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America Convention Proceedings, September 25th-29th, 1944

WHEREAS: History records no parallel to the bestial cruelties inflicted on the Jewish people of Europe by the Nazis and their satellites, whose coldly calculated program of extermination of all European Jews very nearly succeeded, almost six million Jews having been murdered in cold blood [...]
1944

Originally Posted by Chicago Bar Record, October 1944

There were then at least eight million virtually homeless Jews in Europe who acquired rights under this treaty. Happily, perhaps, for the Arabs, that number has been cut down by six million.
1944

Originally Posted by Proceedings of the Annual Convention, Vols. 62-66. Illinois State Federation of Labor, October 2nd, 1944

WHEREAS, Six million Jews were murdered by the Nazi henchmen during the time the Nazis kept Europe under their bloody heel [...]
1944

Originally Posted by Youngstown Vindicator (Ohio), November 27th, 1944

A five-volume "black book" containing a documentary record of the German massacre of approximately 6,000,000 European Jews is being prepared by the state publishing house.
1944

Originally Posted by The Pittsburgh Press, November 28th, 1944, page 5

Six Million Jews Listed Slaughtered. A five-volume "black book" containing a documentary record of the German massacre of approximately six million European Jews was being prepared today by the State publishing house. [...] The work was under the general editorship of Ilya Ehrenburg and the editorial board included Poet-Playwright Konstantin Simonov, Writer Vsevold [Vsevolod] Ivanov and Poetess Vera Imber.
1944

Originally Posted by The Leader, November 28th, 1944

Russian "Black Book" lists German crimes. The first volume of a five-volume Russian "black book" recording the documentary form of the German massacre of approximately 6,000,000 European Jews has been completed by the Soviet state publishing house [...] The five-volume work is under the general editorship of Ilya Ehrenburg, noted Soviet writer and war correspondent, with an editorial board that includes poet-playwright Kanstantin [Konstantin] Simonov, writer Vsevold [Vsevolod] Ivanov and poetess Vera Imber. Editors of the work -which will be published in both Russian and English in press runs of hundreds of thousands of copies- estimate from data now available that the Germans killed between 5,000,000 and 6,000,000 Jews in Russia, Poland and western Europe. They believe an additional 500,000 now are being murdered in Hungary.
1944

Originally Posted by The Palestine Post, November 28th, 1944

SIX MILLIONS MURDERED. The Soviet State Publishing House is preparing the publication of another "Black Book," a documentary record of the German massacre of approximately six million European Jews. [...] According to the Soviet editors, the Germans killed between five and six million Russian, Polish and Western European Jews, and an additional half million are being murdered in Hungary now.
1944

Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion, December 1st, 1944

[...] 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied territories since the outbreak of the war. [...] Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews [...]
1944

Originally Posted by Nahum Goldmann, Jewish Western Bulletin, December 8th, 1944

[...] apart from Jewish losses in combat service, 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied tesritories [territories] since the outbreak of the awr [war]. These figures exceed the number anticipated even by the most pessimistic. [...] Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews [...]
1944

Originally Posted by Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, December 22nd, 1944

In the regions they seized, Germans killed all Jews, from the old folks to infants in arms. Ask any German prisoners why his fellow countrymen annihilated six million innocent people [...]
1945

Originally Posted by New York Times, January 8th, 1945

6,000,000 JEWS DEAD. The Jewish population in Europe has been reduced from 9,500,000 in 1939 to 3,500,000. Of the 6,000,000 European Jews who have died, 5,000,000 had lived in the countries under Hitler's occupation.
1945

Originally Posted by New York Times, February 11th, 1945, page 10

1,200,000 Jews survived of the 6,000,000 who had been under German rule during the war, and that most of them were eager to come to Palestine.
1945

Originally Posted by New York Times, February 17th, 1945

Dr. Joseph Schwartz, European director of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, estimated today that 500,000 of Europe's 6,000,000 Jews had escaped destruction by emigration and that only 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 of Europe's 6,000,000 Jews were now left on the Continent.
1945

Originally Posted by Joseph Thon, president of the National Organization of Polish Jews in America, March 22nd, 1945

I accuse the whole German people that in the years 1939 to 1945 they slaughtered upward of 15,000,000 men, among which there were 6,000,000 Jews. [...] The German people murdered, in cold blood, in excess of 6,000,000 European Jews, among them over 3,000,000 Polish Jews.
1945

Originally Posted by Ilya Ehrenburg, The Advertiser, March 27th, 1945

[...] the Germans tortured the last handful of Jews. The Germans killed six million Jews -all the Jews of Poland, Hungary, the Ukraine, Lithuania, Byelo-Russia, West Europe and of course Germany.
1945

Originally Posted by Army News (Darwin, Australia), April 11th, 1945

NAZIS HAVE MURDERED SIX MILLION JEWS. Of a population of 16 million Jews in the world before the war, more than six million had been murdered by the Nazis.
1945

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 2nd, 1945

[...] estimated that only 1,000,000 of 6,000,000 Jews in Europe in 1939 were still alive.
1945

Originally Posted by The Pittsburgh Press, May 13th, 1945

Nazis Destroy six million Jews. [...] Of the eight million Jews living in Germany and German occupied countries before the war, 6,200,000 have died from either execution, cruel treatment or starvation, according to latest figures compiled by Jewish welfare organisations here.
1945

Originally Posted by New York Times, May 20th, 1945, page 7

[...] seemingly endless streams of former "slaves" from all parts of Europe and by the huge cantonments of liberated victims of Nazism. More than six million of them have been liberated [...]
1945

Originally Posted by The Times (London), August 14th, 1945

[...] some 6,000,000 men, women, and children - were put to death by the Nazis and their satellites.
1945

Originally Posted by The Canberra Times, September 6th, 1945

SIX MILLION JEWS KILLED BY GERMANS. Throughout the war the Germans killed 6,000,000 Jews, the number left in Europe being approximately 1,600,000 [...] most surviving Jews desired to emigrate to Palestine. The agency plans to send six groups of six men each to help Jews in German camps. [...] It is planned to erect a monument on the summit of Mount Scopus to commemorate the Jews who died. It will bear the names of all the 6,000,000, including soldiers, partisans and ghetto fighters. All the Jewish cultural documents and religious objects left in Central and Eastern Europe are to be collected in Palestine.

1945

Originally Posted by The Chester Times, October 10th, 1945

It was our very unhappy conviction all along that the responsibility for extinction of six million Jews in Europe was not Hitler's alone. The entire Christian world shares that responsibility.





Seems the jews have a proven track record of lies.

Especially about their holocausts

and the red cross says there is only 250,000

how does that addup to 6 million vince?


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So all I am asking vince, is which holocaust, and please provide actual documents not documentaries k?




blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 12:10:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Good questions for sure. But I can't speak for the "German social mind" but rather just for me as an individual. The "guilt" as a burden, either collective or individual, I 'd say is not an issue. We are talking about the generation of great-grandparents and grandparents, in many cases deceased long ago, some of them I never met and feel no personal responsibility for their actions I know nothing about.

Thank you for your comments. They are quite illuminating and not really surprising given the distance between your generation and mine. It is a conceit of the older generation to project their experiences and formative social constructs upon the younger generation and then fall back in surprise when the youth do not have the same information nor interpret issues as we do. On the other hand we in the (formerly) Allied world (I am not sure quite how to categorize us any more) have so many scholarly books, documentaries, and movie dramas about the era of the Holocaust that it seems a little surprising that you do not have similar information available to you. And yet on the third hand [:D] we are informed with similar shock that our own Millennials do not share our information and mind sets. From here it is hard to judge the reality of your need to know more when it seems, again from here, that the Nazi Era and the Holocaust are so well known in detail,

...

Another thing that comes to mind, Miss, is the realization that you probably came of age in an environment that was not engulfed in manufactured warrior patriotism quite unlike what we suffer here where our most popular sport is preparatory for war games. I cannot imagine that Germany would suffer a controversy like the one we are currently embroiled in about respect for our anthem, our flag, and our warriors. It must be refreshing except it is what you know and I do not.

Thanks again.


Oh there is no shortage of books, documentaries etc here at all (especially since there is no translation needed for the sources). But it makes a lot of difference to get informations about Adolf's medications or Himmler's Posen speech or about some family members who were just ordinary people of rather no political influence but got into a lot of things without having much choice. There are hardly any big documentations about a postman's or a village policeman's life between 33 and 45 or a soldier's widow who had to work at the post office connecting phone lines to make a living for her and her children (pre-self dialing days then). There are more informations about Eva Braun available than about my grand-uncle who served as a paratrooper and told at home that horrible things happened at the eastern front and nobody asked my great-grandmother what happened during her months as prisoner in Ravensbrück (and she never told).

Another point is that there are lots of visible traces everywhere if you know what you are looking at. I do not mean concentration camp memorials visited by thousands per year but overgrown relics of hundreds of Außenlager with no signpost showing anyone the way, unexploded bombs and artillery shells still unearthed several times a year in certain cities, railway lines demolished for reparation and not yet rebuilt, some Nazi architecture as well as recognisable post war repairs. These are things one can still see every day without much effort, even after decades.

Your last paragraph mirrors a lot of my experiences when reading some discussions from elsewhere. Fetishism of national symbols has indeed dropped close to nil after the pre1945 overdose. Showing flags as a common human being simply was not done before the 2006 championships. While war veterans cultivate their memories among themselves, and new invalids and killed come home from Afghanistan this is in no way glorified. "Patriotism" as a positive value is alien to me and many others here, not all though. There is modest respect for flag or anthem but certainly no glorification and if one treats a flag like any other various strips of cloth there is no harm felt and done. Maybe it matters that we had a wider selection of those over the past 100 years. "Saluting" the flag is something for the military and government officials only and those things happening more often than maybe twice a year would be quite anachronistic. When I see something like that abroad I would not refuse to respect the local customs but it does not mean more than folklore to me.

The ritualistic and symbolic overload of some of these symbols did not do much good here. When I see something like that elsewhere like on the 14th of July in Paris I think, ok it's the way the French want and are are used to it (just as one example) but the danger that these symbols are misused as a trigger to very bad results is real. Therefore I feel quite comfortable with that little veneration these things get in Germany.




blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 12:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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So all I am asking vince, is which holocaust, and please provide actual documents not documentaries k?




Just the one document you posted will do, to make clear for everyone else what you fail to understand ...

To understand a document you need to understand its context (answering a question, withheld in your post), and what it actually says:

The important word in this document is "beurkundet" (registered/filed). A case of death is "beurkundet" by a "Standesamt" (Registry office, keeping records of births, deaths, marriages asf). Therefore in this document only those concentration camps are listed which had their own Standesamt. Many had not, like practically all Außenlager, and those camps outside the German borders. "Small" camps like Oranienburg, Ravensbrück, Morungen, Gusen, Stutthof, Theresienstadt (and others) had no Standesamt of their own, so no individual deaths were recorded, and there are no official records the IRC in Arolsen (itself as you can see on the document, a "Sonderstandesamt", Special registry office) could refer to.

To be recorded as a dead prisoner someone had first to be registered as a KL inmate - with the intention to keep him alive for a while as labourer - like those who then got their camp registry number tattooed on their arms. But many transported did never get registered. You ll notice that Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and even Birkenau (and many many many others) are missing on that list. The deaths there are therefore not recorded on this document too.

Deaths of German Jews until about 1940/41 were in many cases (not all) recorded in the Standesamt records of their home towns before deportation, so they are missing in that document too.




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 2:32:18 PM)

So then you admit there are no records and the 6 million jews is a fantasy number that someone dreamed up is that it? Auschwitz and birkenau are the same place, you can help vince account for the 4 million alleged in auschwitz alone that is now reduced to only 1 million "TOTAL", where 75% of the alleged victims never existed.





blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 3:06:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

So then you admit there are no records and the 6 million jews is a fantasy number that someone dreamed up is that it? Auschwitz and birkenau are the same place, you can help vince account for the 4 million alleged in auschwitz alone that is now reduced to only 1 million "TOTAL", where 75% of the alleged victims never existed.



There were 3 separate camps at Auschwitz, the Stammlager (Auschwitz without further designation), Birkenau (Auschwitz II), and Monowitz (Buna-Monowitz; Auschwitz-IG Farben). They are not "the same place," they were separate camps but neighbouring each other, and serving different purposes.

"No records" that were contributing to the document you posted, does not mean there are no records at all - read the last two paragraphs of my post.

Since you seem obsessed about figures go contact Arolsen yourself about recent (instead of part figures from 1979). It is now called International Tracking Service, you can contact them via net.
Half a dozen posts ago you considered them a source for your "argument." But maybe their answer now might not match your ideas.


The only thing I happily admit in our discussion is that you are very ignorant about those things you post on this thread, and your "proofs" are no evidence for what you think they are - and it is easy to show where you lack fundamental knowledge and understanding.




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 3:45:55 PM)

ok so the fact that they are across the street from one another and can use a couple beer cans and a string to communicate data between them is meaningless to you?

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You need to run down to arsolen if you want to support the story. taking your data and my data into any court the judge would rule in my favor since I have data and you have none since we are not at nurmburg.

You and vince still have that nagging 3 million counting error to deal with?




blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 3:54:18 PM)

Don't blame me for running out of arguments supporting your ideas.

The "counting error" and the "court" you are babbling about is in your mind only I fear.

If your "data" are as invalid as the last you posted you better get other.

Btw it is spelled Arolsen, and Nürnberg.

Your spellings and your "data" are about the same quality.


P.S. to put beer in cans is an american idea and did not become available in Germany until the 1970s (is it just carelessness, or another sign how ignorant you are about all this?)
That the 3 Auschwitz camps are neighbouring each other is just what I wrote, right?
Nonetheless the camps were separate, had each its own commanders, guards, inmates asf and served different purposes.




Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 4:07:37 PM)

so you have been reduced in this lil debate to grammar nazi eh ;)

It seems you live in an upsiide world dear. My argument is that because there were so many jewish holocausts I dnt know which one you people want to discuss unless you elaborate. It appears that you want to talk about the world war 2.

You are arguing in support of 6 million jews being sacrificed in the jewish holocaust ritual, I am arguing that you have no evidence to prove the 6 million jew number is anything more than a fantasy.

You admit you have no records just innuendo and boat load of presumptions.

Poland reduced the death toll from 4 million to 1 million, I need to know how jews could make a 3 million jew mistake? Hope that helps clear it up for you.




WickedsDesire -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 4:22:07 PM)

I am and all nots are not and they have spoken with abject shittery




blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 4:53:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

You admit you have no records just innuendo and boat load of presumptions.



No I do not admit having no records - on the contrary. I tried to demonstrate to you what informations the document you posted actually contained, and what informations are and have to be lacking from that document and why. That you do not understand these things ... is obvious, why you do not understand these things - I do not care much.

An example of records you may probably never heard and read of is the following: Since deportations were done by railway, the deported had - to pay for train tickets. Deportations where handled as any other travel group by group tariff, for so and so many transported the fares had to be paid to the railway. The train transport lists are preserved in great number. One can see how many were transported from what train station to another via one train network and the next (for example from Greece or the Netherlands and their railways to Deutsche Reichsbahn and then to the Generalgouvernement). Lots of bureaucracy, lots of paperwork telling about thousands transported to Treblinka for example (where the SS did not keep records), all single fare, no return tickets, trains evacuated and driving back empty within half an hour to clear the track for the next. Treblinka camp had no capacities for housing inmates for long, and the train schedules and freight (passenger) lists reveal that at the end of each day the camp was empty (emptied).

Records preserved at Bundesarchiv Koblenz, Bahnarchiv Berlin, and several other railroad archives in Europe. You could see them. I doubt you 'd understand them though. But you could collect and add the figures yourself, and I am pretty sure you 'd be surprised what you find as total.

Even the Nazis then (and deniers now) underestimate/d the thoroughness of german bureaucrats.





Real0ne -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 5:45:42 PM)



now I really dont care what you believe because you are entitled to believe what ever you want, however you are not entitled to making up your own facts. Not only does lidar show that NO mass graves exists not even small graves, and if thats not enough this film interviews several jews who said T2 was nothing more than a railroad hub to other places. then we also need to knwo why they had hospitals and swimming pools?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbRNSGQUs


So its seems you are pedaling propaganda and lies, and still have not addressed that 3million error regarding auschwitz.






blnymph -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 6:05:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



now I really dont care what you believe because you are entitled to believe what ever you want, however you are not entitled to making up your own facts.




You can check by yourself. I gave you the informations where you can find these things. Go there and check. Look with your own eyes. These things are not secret, they are accessible for the public. They do not fit into your ideology but that's your problem.

You can deny whatever and as long as you want but the only thing you prove is your ignorance.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for (9/16/2016 6:24:56 PM)

He will believe that any of those facts and records that you have cited and mentioned were all faked by a bunch of conspirators, to put the Nazis in a bad light blnymph. I think you are wasting your time by trying to confuse him with facts. His mind is made up and he will believe what he wants to believe. Me ? I will believe what my parents told me about the relations we lost in those years.
I have to admit, you have my admiration blnymph, for keeping your cool and not resorting to insults or name-calling as often happens on these forums *smile*.
I have an excellent book here, entitled 'Could it happen again', edited by Chartock and Spencer, that is very thought provoking, as long as one has the thought processes to understand and accept it; which I doubt that RO has somehow.




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