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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Ok, 52% of murders are committed by blacks.
Blacks are almost always murdered by other blacks.
Even if the gross numbers are higher for whites, there would be a higher concentration of murders, and other crimes, in black neighborhoods thus a greater concentration of police attention.
You want the people at the greatest risk to have less protection?
That is your choice, more police to protect them, even if the residents are paranoid enough to think those cops are after them.
Or pull out and leave them defensless?

When NYC police ceased their two decades long stop and frisk tactics in minority neighborhoods . . . . . crime rates went down!

It is the quality of attention rather than the quantity that seems to matter.

The President's Commission on Community Policing (I think it is called but I'm not sure) tasks the Justice Department to support community policing strategies. Getting to know the members of the community seems to be more effective a strategy than flying rambo squads. Actually, community policing philosophy began decades ago. The Charlotte Mayor keeps referring to the "partners" but community policing requires commitment on both sides. The protests as well as the behavior of police don't speak well of the effort in that city.

The following issues have been found to assist
police departments engage in effective community policing efforts:

Form community partnerships with a wide-range of partners, above and beyond active resident groups

Increase the department’s accessibility to the residents it serves

Train personnel at every level of the department in best practices in community policing

Work towards increasing officer buy-in about the benefits of the community policing philosophy

Prioritize sustained and meaningful commitment by the department’s leadership to the community policing philosophy

Integrate community policing activities into performance evaluation systems

Continue to support systematic and standardized problem solving approaches

A 2010 summary of the ten most rigorous studies on the effectiveness of SARA-based problem-oriented policing between 1993 and 2006 concluded that these efforts achieved statistically-significant reductions in crime and disorder in their affected cities.


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There is much more explanatory information in the linked article.

The problem I see with your comments is that they only reflect one strategy of policing . . . . a rather old and outdated strategy.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Ok, 52% of murders are committed by blacks.
Blacks are almost always murdered by other blacks.
Even if the gross numbers are higher for whites, there would be a higher concentration of murders, and other crimes, in black neighborhoods thus a greater concentration of police attention.
You want the people at the greatest risk to have less protection?
That is your choice, more police to protect them, even if the residents are paranoid enough to think those cops are after them.
Or pull out and leave them defensless?

When NYC police ceased their two decades long stop and frisk tactics in minority neighborhoods . . . . . crime rates went down!

It is the quality of attention rather than the quantity that seems to matter.

The President's Commission on Community Policing (I think it is called but I'm not sure) tasks the Justice Department to support community policing strategies. Getting to know the members of the community seems to be more effective a strategy than flying rambo squads. Actually, community policing philosophy began decades ago. The Charlotte Mayor keeps referring to the "partners" but community policing requires commitment on both sides. The protests as well as the behavior of police don't speak well of the effort in that city.

The following issues have been found to assist
police departments engage in effective community policing efforts:

Form community partnerships with a wide-range of partners, above and beyond active resident groups

Increase the department’s accessibility to the residents it serves

Train personnel at every level of the department in best practices in community policing

Work towards increasing officer buy-in about the benefits of the community policing philosophy

Prioritize sustained and meaningful commitment by the department’s leadership to the community policing philosophy

Integrate community policing activities into performance evaluation systems

Continue to support systematic and standardized problem solving approaches

A 2010 summary of the ten most rigorous studies on the effectiveness of SARA-based problem-oriented policing between 1993 and 2006 concluded that these efforts achieved statistically-significant reductions in crime and disorder in their affected cities.


source

There is much more explanatory information in the linked article.

The problem I see with your comments is that they only reflect one strategy of policing . . . . a rather old and outdated strategy.

That claim is interesting since stop and frisk was a major component of slashing the crime rate at the begining of this century.
Now did the crime rate drop because they no longer found out about crimes?
Stop and frisk was the only way they found out about many people carring weapons who, by law, were not allowed to.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...why can't you see where this rage is venting on the wrong people....It should be directed at themselves first...only they can stop the killing. Blacks make up 35% of Charlottes population but 70% of the murders.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

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That claim is interesting since stop and frisk was a major component of slashing the crime rate at the begining of this century.
Now did the crime rate drop because they no longer found out about crimes?
Stop and frisk was the only way they found out about many people carring weapons who, by law, were not allowed to.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...why can't you see where this rage is venting on the wrong people....It should be directed at themselves first...only they can stop the killing. Blacks make up 35% of Charlottes population but 70% of the murders.

Butch

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I live in a minority (mostly) neighborhood, where I meet the police often. Once a cop questioned me about standing on my own porch.
But I guess since I am white I am not allowed to have an opinion.

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I'm sorry Vince I am just not as distrustful as you when it comes to our law enforcement.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

How can it be bogus? When 44 people are murdered and IGNORED... every one of those men women and children are just as important as this man who may, when the evidence is in, have deserved what happened to him.

It is not that this investigation is not important and justice must be brought to bear if necessary, but it is by magnitudes less deadly than black on black crime.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...why can't you see where this rage is venting on the wrong people....It should be directed at themselves first...only they can stop the killing. Blacks make up 35% of Charlottes population but 70% of the murders.

Butch

I fail to see where I convicted the cops of anything. This entire incident was unnecessary and tragic. The cops, it is reported, had an arrest warrant for another person. Instead, they stopped with an unmarked car and surrounded a man sitting peacefully in his own car. How the fuck can that be justified?

You also fail to address the fact that there are other successful police strategies available.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I live in a minority (mostly) neighborhood, where I meet the police often. Once a cop questioned me about standing on my own porch.
But I guess since I am white I am not allowed to have an opinion.

And you don't see anything abusive and intrusive about that? Amazing.

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

That's a bogus comparison Butch. Were those people being paid to "protect and serve" the people in their community?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

That's a bogus comparison Butch. Were those people being paid to "protect and serve" the people in their community?

Supreme court ruled they have no duty to protect the People. but on their cars it still says "To serve and protect".

Protect whom then ?

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

That's a bogus comparison Butch. Were those people being paid to "protect and serve" the people in their community?

Supreme court ruled they have no duty to protect the People. but on their cars it still says "To serve and protect".

Protect whom then ?

T^T