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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/25/2016 6:30:41 PM   
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Vince I am asking the same question.... What they should be asking is why are we murdering our own.

No, Butch. You are deflecting again. One of the reasons black communities remain isolated is b/c some white people won't take their concerns seriously, hell, can't even hear them. And to imply that black residents are not concerned about gun violence in their communities is repugnant. Why would you say something like that? Do you think they are insensitive humans without concerns for the safety of their own families?

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/25/2016 8:07:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vince I am not deflecting... you are. I will not ignore facts... you do. It is criminal to ignore murder... in many African American communities the residents will NOT work with police to solve crime. Murders do not take place in a vacuum and police need community input to get these murderers off the streets. Look at all the witnesses coming out for police shootings but NONE for the murder of their own sons and daughters. It is sickening!

In my little community an African American walked up to a police car and shot the officer in the head. The officer crawled out of his police car and crawled up the street asking for help from a group of blacks as the killer walked behind.... They all stood around and watched the murderer put a gun to his head and blow his brains out...Then many would not testify.

Then they named a park after the killers brother.... where was the outrage in the African American community... where were the protests against violence?

If you want to get in a link war about who is killing who you will lose. It just cannot be denied that there is a lifestyle of violence in many African American communities... and you and I cannot stop the killing... the police cannot stop the killing...Only they can... and rioting...burning... looting will solve nothing.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/25/2016 8:10:04 PM   
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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/25/2016 9:29:23 PM   
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There is a lot of truth to what you're saying, but you go off the rails as soon you start to say "they." Who are "they"? If "they" is supposed to convey that all African-Americans are killers who hate cops and riot and loot, then you're not saying much that anyone who isn't a bigot can agree with. There are PLENTY of African-Americans who work EVERY DAY to try to reduce violence in their communities--as there are in white communities or any other color of community.

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and you and I cannot stop the killing... the police cannot stop the killing...Only they can... and rioting...burning... looting will solve nothing.


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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/26/2016 2:05:44 PM   
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Murders do not take place in a vacuum and police need community input to get these murderers off the streets.

I posted a very comprehensive article on community policing strategy. Obviously, you do not have enough interest in the subject to read about it.

The issues in this thread have morphed from Kaepernick's protest to the Charlotte protests. We are not discussing black on black crime here, Butch. Please stop trying to change the subject. That is why I say you are deflecting.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/26/2016 2:38:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The dash cam video shows that Kieth Scott was backing up toward the cop who shot him. That's what I see. What do you see? Do you see Scott posing a threat to anyone? I don't think so. Also strange I do not see him getting out of the truck. He just appears at the left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXe3zAANry4

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/26/2016 3:25:12 PM   
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I shortened the quote just for the sake of concision.

There is a lot of truth to what you're saying, but you go off the rails as soon you start to say "they." Who are "they"? If "they" is supposed to convey that all African-Americans are killers who hate cops and riot and loot, then you're not saying much that anyone who isn't a bigot can agree with. There are PLENTY of African-Americans who work EVERY DAY to try to reduce violence in their communities--as there are in white communities or any other color of community.

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and you and I cannot stop the killing... the police cannot stop the killing...Only they can... and rioting...burning... looting will solve nothing.




They... just meaning those that are violently demonstrating for the wrong reasons. Not legitimate demonstrators who are exercising their rights. I like to think I am a straight shooter that says what he believes even if it were to appear racist. I am not alone in what I have posted about the problems in African American communities. If people cannot post or say what they honestly believe then there can be no understanding between people. When I talk about black on black murders being ignored and general crime in African American communities I am stating facts... How can stating facts be racists?

There has been little demonstration in my area by any African American group about the gangsta mentality among youths which is the reason, in my area anyway, for murders. No group, so far, in the black communities has stepped forward to encourage cooperation with police to end this slaughter.

While this investigation and protests have been going on in the last week a 71 year old man was robbed and shot dead by two 14 year old blacks... A five your old child was shot in the stomach....there have been at least a murder every night and some nights two murders totaling 9... just in St Louis area alone...WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE AND PROTESTS!!!

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/26/2016 10:19:50 PM   
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The dash cam video shows that Kieth Scott was backing up toward the cop who shot him. That's what I see. What do you see? Do you see Scott posing a threat to anyone? I don't think so. Also strange I do not see him getting out of the truck. He just appears at the left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXe3zAANry4


I see the guy get out from the vehicle on the left and start walking backwards, then get shot from the front/left. You were looking at the truck on the right (facing in) where two of the cops were at the passenger side, so you were expecting his exit from there. Watch again and look at the driver's door of vehicle to the left (facing out). The shooter seems to have been to his left or front left, in any case.

Here's a video which has the same dash cam recording followed by a body cam recording from one of the officers (the one who exited the dash cam car) at passenger side of Scott's vehicle, then around the back to the driver side, facing Scott from the front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXe3zAANry4





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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/26/2016 10:53:50 PM   
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CMPD body camera policy in this article:

Charlotte officer did not activate body camera until after Keith Scott had been shot

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 4:31:17 AM   
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It is not that this investigation is not important and justice must be brought to bear if necessary, but it is by magnitudes less deadly than black on black crime.

Butch



The obvious corrolary here is that you cannot complain about blacks killing cops until whites stop killing each otrher.
How about it butch? Is that how it works or is it just when blacks kill blacks?
Either admit to your two faced hypocritical white supremicist stance or agree that blacks snuffing cops is not an issue until white people srtop killing one another?


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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 4:37:34 AM   
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In my little community an African American walked up to a police car and shot the officer in the head. The officer crawled out of his police car and crawled up the street asking for help from a group of blacks as the killer walked behind.... They all stood around and watched the murderer put a gun to his head and blow his brains out...Then many would not testify.

Then they named a park after the killers brother.... where was the outrage in the African American community... where were the protests against violence?

Perhaps as you yourself mentioned earlier they thought he "had it comming".
When you claim that some dead black man shot by cops may "have had it comming" it is different when the roles are reversed....how exactly do youy make that work?

If you want to get in a link war about who is killing who you will lose. It just cannot be denied that there is a lifestyle of violence in many African American communities...

Is it your position that white people do not have a lifestyile of violence.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 4:45:43 AM   
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rioting...burning... looting will solve nothing.


Bullshit...it worked for the founders of our republic.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 5:01:18 AM   
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Vince I am asking the same question.... What they should be asking is why are we murdering our own.

No, Butch. You are deflecting again. One of the reasons black communities remain isolated is b/c some white people won't take their concerns seriously, hell, can't even hear them. And to imply that black residents are not concerned about gun violence in their communities is repugnant. Why would you say something like that? Do you think they are insensitive humans without concerns for the safety of their own families?


And what about that Black Woman when confronted with the fact that her kids "smackdown" game had injured an old Woman said "Well they just playin" ?

They better be concerned about gun violence because if they do that to one of my people there WILL be gun violence in that neighborhood. Starting with that cunt that raised them.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 5:04:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		"some white people won't take their concerns seriously"

So you think we owe them ? Put them on a boat to Africa and let them experience nature. They got no business in my business, do you see them concerned for Whites ? They got protectionist laws, they got free food, they got preferential treatment on certain things like business loans for example.

What more can we do Vince ? Massage their fucking feet ?

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 5:14:06 AM   
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I shortened the quote just for the sake of concision.

There is a lot of truth to what you're saying, but you go off the rails as soon you start to say "they." Who are "they"? If "they" is supposed to convey that all African-Americans are killers who hate cops and riot and loot, then you're not saying much that anyone who isn't a bigot can agree with. There are PLENTY of African-Americans who work EVERY DAY to try to reduce violence in their communities--as there are in white communities or any other color of community.

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and you and I cannot stop the killing... the police cannot stop the killing...Only they can... and rioting...burning... looting will solve nothing.




They make themselves they. just like Jews and Muslims. The Black community stands together and people will keep their mouth shut. This is partly due to loyalty to the tribe or whatever but it is also out of fear. And they won't put you in the witness protection program for testifying about one murder.

And the witness protection program is a fucking joke, if you testify against the wrong people they will find you anyway.

So people keep their mouths shut.

Qn there are areas the cops won't even go. I have heard of bars like thaat, like the Pill Box. Cops would only go in off duty. It was a totally illegal after hours joint owned by a friend of mine's Father. If there was a fight they threw the stretchers in and that was it. They would not walk in the door. This was White people but some of the nastiest motherfuckers you could meet. And everybody kept their mouth shut.

Think they are not capable of this ?

Not hardly, not even softly.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 5:14:37 AM   
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I shortened the quote just for the sake of concision.

There is a lot of truth to what you're saying, but you go off the rails as soon you start to say "they." Who are "they"? If "they" is supposed to convey that all African-Americans are killers who hate cops and riot and loot, then you're not saying much that anyone who isn't a bigot can agree with. There are PLENTY of African-Americans who work EVERY DAY to try to reduce violence in their communities--as there are in white communities or any other color of community.

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and you and I cannot stop the killing... the police cannot stop the killing...Only they can... and rioting...burning... looting will solve nothing.



He may not have made it clear in this thread. But he calls for the black community to do something about their victimization by members of their own community. A minority of blacks turn their neighborhoods into crime infested jungles, this leads to confrontations wit the police, the more confrontations the more violence. In Charloote, as in Ferguson many of the "protestors" and rioters come in from other places to make it look like the local population is outraged. The first night of rioting something like 70% of the rioters arrested were fromout of state. KD's history is not that of a racist.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 5:17:50 AM   
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It is not that this investigation is not important and justice must be brought to bear if necessary, but it is by magnitudes less deadly than black on black crime.

Butch



The obvious corrolary here is that you cannot complain about blacks killing cops until whites stop killing each otrher.
How about it butch? Is that how it works or is it just when blacks kill blacks?
Either admit to your two faced hypocritical white supremicist stance or agree that blacks snuffing cops is not an issue until white people srtop killing one another?




If a certain group keeps killing each other and another group does not, what do you fucking think ?

Or can you think ?

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 5:20:12 AM   
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I shortened the quote just for the sake of concision.

There is a lot of truth to what you're saying, but you go off the rails as soon you start to say "they." Who are "they"? If "they" is supposed to convey that all African-Americans are killers who hate cops and riot and loot, then you're not saying much that anyone who isn't a bigot can agree with. There are PLENTY of African-Americans who work EVERY DAY to try to reduce violence in their communities--as there are in white communities or any other color of community.

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and you and I cannot stop the killing... the police cannot stop the killing...Only they can... and rioting...burning... looting will solve nothing.




They make themselves they. just like Jews and Muslims. The Black community stands together and people will keep their mouth shut. This is partly due to loyalty to the tribe or whatever but it is also out of fear. And they won't put you in the witness protection program for testifying about one murder.

And the witness protection program is a fucking joke, if you testify against the wrong people they will find you anyway.

So people keep their mouths shut.

Qn there are areas the cops won't even go. I have heard of bars like thaat, like the Pill Box. Cops would only go in off duty. It was a totally illegal after hours joint owned by a friend of mine's Father. If there was a fight they threw the stretchers in and that was it. They would not walk in the door. This was White people but some of the nastiest motherfuckers you could meet. And everybody kept their mouth shut.

Think they are not capable of this ?

Not hardly, not even softly.

T^T


In Monygomery there is a neighborhood where after dark the cops won't go in with less than 3 2 man cars.
A few years ago a bunch of teens attacked a man on a bicycle ridding through the area and beat him to death with bricks.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 5:28:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Is it your position that white people do not have a lifestyile of violence. "

It's mine. We can be driven to it and when it happens all of "them" are going to get a good lesson in killing. Whites probably own about 80 % of the guns in this country, though that is only a guess. So many Blacks have felonies they can't buy a new one, most of us can.

And if you count the bigots who are just itching at the trigger finger...

They better stop their shit. You get stopped you roll the driver's window all the way down and put your hands at the top of the steering wheel and usually shut down the engine. You do this before the cop even gets to your window. Maybe they should have questions on the license test on this. That person has a gun and is paranoid for good reason. That is why I say the good cops should turn in the bad cops. Fuck that thin blue line.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/27/2016 7:02:27 AM   
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"some white people won't take their concerns seriously"

So you think we owe them ? Put them on a boat to Africa and let them experience nature. They got no business in my business, do you see them concerned for Whites ? They got protectionist laws, they got free food, they got preferential treatment on certain things like business loans for example.

What more can we do Vince ? Massage their fucking feet ?

T^T

We owe it to the betterment of our social fabric to raise up communities, whether black or white. Evidently, black people across the country feel a growing distrust of the police due to a string of recent blue on black shootings. The military model of policing is not helpful; it is a drag on the efforts of civic leaders. I don't expect you to understand that or even perceive it is a social and economic problem that affects all of society because your comments are so drearily steeped in bold and blatant, repugnant racism. Your words and your mind set are ante bellum evil, Termy.

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