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ORIGINAL: BamaD [Edited] No the issue is gangs and a lack of values. And the comparison needs to be made, not from perfection, but from where we were, which you refuse to do. The progress is what counts, and we have made a lot of progress. You don't seem to be concerned with progress, just with getting rid of guns, progess doesn't count unless it includes taking away gun rights. I will take your word for it that there is a problem with gangs and a lack of values. Same here in the UK, but the gangs just don't have as many guns. We don't have nice gangs over here who settle their disputes by games of chess. We have gangs with less killing capacity and so (big surprise) they kill less. The progress in reducing murder rates in the US is great news, but the biggest single factor in keeping the US with rates several times that of many OECD countries, despite that improvement, is the availability of killing machines (guns). You don't have to take his word for it you can google it. Leave inner city gang murders from Chicago, Detroit, DC, and New Orleans out of the U.S. Stats and our statistics go from nearly the bottom to almost the top. It's easy to google if you really want to argue from a reasonable perspective. Yes, I am sure that if you remove the murder hotspots from the picture the US murder rate would be much lower. But that works for other countries too. Murders in the UK are not evenly spread around the country. Remove some of the inner cities and the UK murder rate falls to be even lower still. You are right however that murders tend to be concentrated in low income areas, with high crime and greater availability of weapons. Sadly, contrary to middle class paranoia, it is those on low incomes who are most likely to be victims. That is as true in the UK as it is in the US.
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