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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 9/25/2016 4:11:49 AM   
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I hope you see that affirmative action is racism, no matter how you package it.

The loss of your white priviledge really seems to bother you. Are you afraid when you no longer have your white priviledge that you wil be subjected to 300 years of slavery?
No more "well regulated militias" to protect you from the blacks?

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 9/25/2016 6:03:08 AM   
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I don't know why you're hopped up on this semantic difference, though.


I think one can make arguments pro and con as concerns "racism" depending on how strictly, or broadly, one defines the term. at the very least though, affirmative action is incredibly patronizing and condescending and one wonders what it does to the integrity of those who "benefit" by it, as well as the what it does to the thinking of those who are discriminated against by it.

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 9/26/2016 9:50:46 AM   
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I don't know why you're hopped up on this semantic difference, though.

I think one can make arguments pro and con as concerns "racism" depending on how strictly, or broadly, one defines the term. at the very least though, affirmative action is incredibly patronizing and condescending and one wonders what it does to the integrity of those who "benefit" by it, as well as the what it does to the thinking of those who are discriminated against by it.


I know how pissed I'd be if I was passed over for a job/promotion/etc. by a person not as qualified as I, simply because of gender or ethnicity of the other person.


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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/6/2016 11:22:45 AM   
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I think one can make arguments pro and con as concerns "racism" depending on how strictly, or broadly, one defines the term. at the very least though, affirmative action is incredibly patronizing and condescending and one wonders what it does to the integrity of those who "benefit" by it, as well as the what it does to the thinking of those who are discriminated against by it.

Tell us comrade just how would you address the issue of redressing past greviences?

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/6/2016 10:48:43 PM   
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What is interesting is. After this stupid legistration is passed.

I have always said, overwhelming majority of Singaporeans wants Tharman, to be the next Prime Minister. He is a very dark Indian dude.

Like He is so capable and such a great guy, and always speak with such clarity of common sense and pragmatism. He is THE PERFECT man to run our country next!

So FINALLY, a poll was done. And the results was as I predicted, Overwhelming majority WANTS him as the next Prime Minister.

Unfortunately when he was interviewed about how he feels about the poll, he said that he does not ever want to be a Prime Minister. He does not want that extent of the responsibilities.

But I don't understand why the government feels affirmative action is still needed, when I believe we are all colour blind when it comes to real Talent and capability. Singaporeans are very pragmatic, we just want the best person for the job. This Tharman dude is amazing. It's unanimous, we all love him. I wish he could be persuaded to be the next Prime Minister.

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/7/2016 12:08:18 AM   
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I don't know why you're hopped up on this semantic difference, though.

I think one can make arguments pro and con as concerns "racism" depending on how strictly, or broadly, one defines the term. at the very least though, affirmative action is incredibly patronizing and condescending and one wonders what it does to the integrity of those who "benefit" by it, as well as the what it does to the thinking of those who are discriminated against by it.


I know how pissed I'd be if I was passed over for a job/promotion/etc. by a person not as qualified as I, simply because of gender or ethnicity of the other person.


For affirmative action to kick in an employment/job context here, there has to be a tie between two candidates, who are both equally qualified for the position. Then and only then does the ethnicity of the candidate become a factor. So for all the hullabaloo the Right and bigots raise about the alleged unfairness of affirmative action, it doesn't really come into the picture very often.

I have never heard any one criticising AA, (for whatever reason, good bad or indifferent) advance an alternative system that seeks to ameliorate the effects of prolonged institutional racism. Perhaps you could be the first .....? I'd love to hear an alternative proposal. In the absence of AA, how do we redress the effects of institutional racism that has excluded and marginalised talented people for centuries?

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/7/2016 6:37:15 PM   
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I don't know why you're hopped up on this semantic difference, though.

I think one can make arguments pro and con as concerns "racism" depending on how strictly, or broadly, one defines the term. at the very least though, affirmative action is incredibly patronizing and condescending and one wonders what it does to the integrity of those who "benefit" by it, as well as the what it does to the thinking of those who are discriminated against by it.

I know how pissed I'd be if I was passed over for a job/promotion/etc. by a person not as qualified as I, simply because of gender or ethnicity of the other person.

For affirmative action to kick in an employment/job context here, there has to be a tie between two candidates, who are both equally qualified for the position. Then and only then does the ethnicity of the candidate become a factor. So for all the hullabaloo the Right and bigots raise about the alleged unfairness of affirmative action, it doesn't really come into the picture very often.
I have never heard any one criticising AA, (for whatever reason, good bad or indifferent) advance an alternative system that seeks to ameliorate the effects of prolonged institutional racism. Perhaps you could be the first .....? I'd love to hear an alternative proposal. In the absence of AA, how do we redress the effects of institutional racism that has excluded and marginalised talented people for centuries?


Make it illegal for companies to hire based on racial prejudices? Wait, we already have that in place. Yes, it's difficult to prove in court, but, it's there.

Requiring a company to have a minimum % of diversity in it's workers can lead to lesser qualified minorities being chosen over more qualified whites. I oppose that. I also oppose lesser qualified whites being chosen over more qualified minorities.

Treating each person the same as the next person is the only way to get past race/gender/etc. being a deciding factor. You can't use more racism to reduce racism.


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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/7/2016 8:32:04 PM   
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Requiring a company to have a minimum % of diversity in it's workers can lead to lesser qualified minorities being chosen over more qualified whites. I oppose that. I also oppose lesser qualified whites being chosen over more qualified minorities.


The very interesting thing about this world is.
Malaysia is probably one of the only country in the world, where the law protects the majority race. Which is Malay. It's compulsory for all companies in Malaysia to hire the specific race Malays. All other minority races, there is no such laws.

So they wanna force companies who are started by minorities, who usually also only want to support their own race and will hire only their own race, to be forced to hire the majority race. But no such protection the other way round.

Malaysia is all about unapologetic, majority race gets 1st rights. All majority race are by law, Muslims too. So it's basically protectionalism for Muslims only.

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 1:10:44 PM   
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Make it illegal for companies to hire based on racial prejudices?


That was the law before aa. It did not work and that is what you want to return to. It protectected youir white male priviledge then and you want to return to it so your white male priviledge will be restored.

Wait, we already have that in place. Yes, it's difficult to prove in court, but, it's there.

Only to punkassmotherfuckers who are unable to compeat. How loudly did you complain when it worked in yuour favor???

Requiring a company to have a minimum % of diversity in it's workers can lead to lesser qualified minorities being chosen over more qualified whites.


If it did then you would be able to cite when it happened. You havent so you are once again shown to be full of shit.

I oppose that. I also oppose lesser qualified whites being chosen over more qualified minorities.


Talk is cheap.

Treating each person the same as the next person is the only way to get past race/gender/etc. being a deciding factor. You can't use more racism to reduce racism.


I do not hear you complaining about the military having a preference in government jobs. How is aa different?


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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 1:14:42 PM   
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The very interesting thing about this world is.
Malaysia is probably one of the only country in the world, where the law protects the majority race. Which is Malay. It's compulsory for all companies in Malaysia to hire the specific race Malays. All other minority races, there is no such laws.

Malay is not a race it is a nationality.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid


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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 5:28:23 PM   
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I don't know why you're hopped up on this semantic difference, though.

I think one can make arguments pro and con as concerns "racism" depending on how strictly, or broadly, one defines the term. at the very least though, affirmative action is incredibly patronizing and condescending and one wonders what it does to the integrity of those who "benefit" by it, as well as the what it does to the thinking of those who are discriminated against by it.


I know how pissed I'd be if I was passed over for a job/promotion/etc. by a person not as qualified as I, simply because of gender or ethnicity of the other person.



I understand what youre saying, and I certainly don't disagree with it, but I was asking from a more broad/ecological perspective, that is, what does the aggrieved party now think of minorities as a whole when they are given preferential treatment. does affirmative action, in part, undermine the very thing it supposedly seeks to redress?

alternatively, if I were a recipient of affirmative action, id spend my life wondering if I were truly good enough to have earned the chance, or if I had been given a gift based predominantly on my skin color.

and while im here, bull on tweakabelle's "tie" position---news abounds with minority candidates either having lesser standards for admission/acceptance, etc, or diversity requirements where whites are barely considered, if at all.

see if I can get through this anecdote without Thompson the troll inanely jumping on it (im not betting on it): I had a great phone interview once for a job I was really hoping to land; the interviewer told me "if it were totally up to me, id hire you right away, but I have to tell you, youre the wrong color or gender."

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 5:36:03 PM   
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If you really look at how he got elected -- he's a great motivational speaker and people got sucked in and now many regret it.

The US tends to elect people for what they say -- not what they do. If you look at even this election -- they bitch and moan about what and how trump SAYS things, but they tend to not even acknowledge what Hillary has done.



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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 5:40:28 PM   
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The worst thing about obama was the nutsucker legislatures he had to deal with.

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 5:46:35 PM   
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I don't know why you're hopped up on this semantic difference, though.

I think one can make arguments pro and con as concerns "racism" depending on how strictly, or broadly, one defines the term. at the very least though, affirmative action is incredibly patronizing and condescending and one wonders what it does to the integrity of those who "benefit" by it, as well as the what it does to the thinking of those who are discriminated against by it.

I know how pissed I'd be if I was passed over for a job/promotion/etc. by a person not as qualified as I, simply because of gender or ethnicity of the other person.

I understand what youre saying, and I certainly don't disagree with it, but I was asking from a more broad/ecological perspective, that is, what does the aggrieved party now think of minorities as a whole when they are given preferential treatment. does affirmative action, in part, undermine the very thing it supposedly seeks to redress?


That's what I was saying. I know how pissed I'd be, but I'd be pissed at the AA, not whoever gained from it.

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alternatively, if I were a recipient of affirmative action, id spend my life wondering if I were truly good enough to have earned the chance, or if I had been given a gift based predominantly on my skin color.


I'm sure there are plenty of people who would wonder the same as you, and others that would take advantage of it.

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and while im here, bull on tweakabelle's "tie" position---news abounds with minority candidates either having lesser standards for admission/acceptance, etc, or diversity requirements where whites are barely considered, if at all.
see if I can get through this anecdote without Thompson the troll inanely jumping on it (im not betting on it): I had a great phone interview once for a job I was really hoping to land; the interviewer told me "if it were totally up to me, id hire you right away, but I have to tell you, youre the wrong color or gender."


When I was in college, at one point I was working towards a degree in Physical Therapy. You did your general education classes at the University/College, and then went to PT School. The local PT school only accepted 75 students/year, and preferential acceptance was given to women and/or minority candidates (including quotas), per my academic adviser. I changed my major away from pre-PT, so I never even applied.


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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 5:48:42 PM   
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As I said-- THE GREATEST THING about him is we only have 109 days of having to deal with him. I hope they kick him out of office before then and somehow impeach his ass. Unfortunately, this country is too soft.

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 5:53:11 PM   
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Trump is a fat, orange, repulsive sociopathic arse. And he's also as thick as a brick.

I hope that helps. :)

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 6:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah and Hillary lies, and if what she says is the truth - an idiot, she has no understanding of what confidential means, and more importantly doesn't CARE about secure, confidential, classified information, she is a criminal and a killer. So what you are saying is -- trump fits into 75% of this country if he is fat, his makeup isn't all that great -- which most people's aren't, repulsive -- come on now, so he isn't poltically correct, he is blunt, an ass at times, and needs some direction on his delivery -- at least we know his real thoughts on a subject.
ALL politicians are narcissistic sociopaths, I would say many are even psychopaths -- so he should fit right in. As for thick -- you'd rather someone who doesn't stand his ground be in office? Based on the fact he and Hillary are pretty neck and neck in this election -- he's appealing to a majority of the people, therefore, I don't think he's as thick as you make him out to be.

People are so stupid sometimes they would rather people treat them like children and pat them on the head and speak with political correctness so they don't hurt their wittle feelin's because they are way to needing of being coddled. They are terrified of trump because they may have to live in a world where someone kicks them in the ass, rather than pats them on the head.

Sorry but I really do question ANYONE who supports Hillary and their integrity. THIS DOESN'T IN ANYWAY indicate the should support Trump. It means that their integrity supports a proven liar, a criminal and killer into office. That seriously just blows my mind, no wonder our country is so fucked up -- if this is what people want in office.

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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 6:05:31 PM   
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the only great thing about Obama is he's leaving office.

If you really look at how he got elected -- he's a great motivational speaker and people got sucked in and now many regret it.

The US tends to elect people for what they say -- not what they do. If you look at even this election -- they bitch and moan about what and how trump SAYS things, but they tend to not even acknowledge what Hillary has done.



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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 6:11:13 PM   
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RE: Affirmative Action for President - 10/8/2016 7:40:23 PM   
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Malay is not a race it is a nationality.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid

Malay is an ethnicity and a race. Malaysian is the nationality. Get your facts right.
In our country, Race is written in your identity card, and "Malay" is an official race.

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