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meatcleaver -> RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? (7/29/2006 3:38:37 AM)
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ORIGINAL: ddm
I think there's a general misunderstanding of a phenomenon Vladimir Putin first warned of. That was prior to 9/11 when the U.S. dismissed Putin's warnings about radical Islam.
The thing is, Chechnya was similar to Gaza before Russia sent in the troops. I recall seeing those bombs in Moscow again and again and I recall Clinton telling Russia to negotiate. But what people didn't understand was foreigners were being kidnapped in Chechnya. The Chechnyan bandits were cutting fingers off westerners and sending them to relatives, asking for money.
So, Russia went in.
Now, sometime after that, New York was attacked. Some of the motivation was Iraq but not all of the motivation. A lot had to do with this feeling in the Middle East that the west was to blame for all the stagnation in Arab countries and an idea that democracy had to be destroyed. It goes very deep and Putin and his think-tanks knew all about it.
Believe me, Israel is not fighting this war out of a desire to expand its borders and those rockets have actually killed people. There were kidnappings in Gaza - even a British female who worked as a peacekeeper was kidnapped. The Gazans attacked the embassies of the U.K. and Denmark, were sending children over the border with suicide belts and finally the kidnap of Israelis. The situation was intolerable.
I count myself as one of the few people who supports Israel totally. Sure, I will criticize Israel if it disrespects civilian life and the loss of the lives of women and children is very sad. Buit I do think it's a case of the straw breaking the camels back. How would Americans feel if they faced suicide bombings and missile attacks every day in New York or L.A.? Why should a peaceful, democratic people have to tolerate and put up with terrorists who have reverted to Jew-hating and indiscriminate attacks in cafes, bars and on buses.
Let's not forget who has been attacked: Bali, London, Spain, Indonesia, India and the U.S.
Not only that but threats have been made against France for banning veils in schools but France opposed the Iraq War.
To call on the Russians as support after what they have done in Chechyna is nothing more than an act of desperation. Yes, the Chechens carried out some horrendous acts of terrorism in Moscow but don't forget what provoked that. The Russians flattened Grozny. We criticize Israel for flattening Lebanon but Russia actually DID flatten Grozny without any hesitation.
The other problem you have is that you cite other acts of terrorism as though they took place in a vacuum and without any provocation. It is very easy to be outraged about innocent victims and we should be outraged but we dhould not think for a moment that the west aare innocent bystanders. The west has meddled in the middle east for years for its own ends.
Again, Palestinain terrorism didn't start in a vacuum, there were reasons why people became radicalized enough to resort to terrorism. That terrorism has been going on tit for tat and the fact one side wears a state uniform doesn't alter what is being done.
As for France. Radical Arabs are now happy to cash in on every little policy to gain currency for their cause. However, not all French muslims were against the ban. Most of the muslim middleclass in France were for it and understood it wasn't an anti-muslim act but a policy against the showing of all relegious symbols in school.
Peace is the only way to solve this problem and you don't get that by upping the anti all the time. It requires cool heads and policies that win the hearts and minds of ordinary muslims while making sure you don't kill innocent people while in pursuance of terrorists.
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