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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/28/2016 6:49:22 PM   
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Australian crime isn't my problem.


But, Australian gun prohibition and mass shootings were my topic.

And the fact that they didn't have any real effect was mine. Or is no one allowed to disagree.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/28/2016 7:07:29 PM   
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The right to be mad without interference is in the constitution, you nanny state liberal, you.




I find a liberal's view on privacy rights to be less than complete.

All one has to do is look at past elections.

The ACLU has gone after public individuals to prove connections to the KKK, Neo Nazi groups, and other ultra conservative organizations in the effort to discredit these individuals, not to mention medical information, including treatment for drug or alcohol abuse, and mental conditions such as depression, bi polar disorder, and John McCain getting treated for PTSD stemming from his period as a POW.

Now, if a persons medical and mental health is a matter of privacy, even when that condition may actually be a possible threat to public safety, and thus should not be reported to prevent them from purchasing firearms....

How can they justify that statement with the fact that liberal groups have released private information about people ranging from concealed carry permits to the fact a public office holder sought treatment for a mental condition stemming from his service to the country?

In McCain's case. a matter of public record going back to the 90's. HERE

In other words, their support of the right to privacy is dependent on their political agenda.

Hell, when David Duke was a democrat and held office in Louisiana, a GOP opponent made many remarks about his involvement with racist organizations, and the Democrats filed countless lawsuits to prevent that from being used in political ads.

When Duke quit the democrats and joined the Republican party, damn if they did not turn around and use the same information from his past to discredit him, and fought every lawsuit filed by the Republican Party on privacy grounds with "the public has a right to know what kind of person they are voting for."

Now Vincent is claiming that a person's mental health is a matter of personal privacy, as is every liberal anti gun group in the fucking country.

In other words, more liberal hypocrisy.

You are going to have to cite these claims. I find nothing of the sort and I have been on this for hours.

McCain's problems were a matter of public record back in the 90's when he ran for the repub nomination. Found no ACLU, democratic or 'liberal' affiliation with any of it becoming public. As in fact, it was his own campaign people who released the info. HERE

I find no ACLU, liberal, or democratic connection or accreditation to Duke being discovered as in the KKK while a democrat when he founded a Louisiana chapter in 1974 and in 1988 ran for dem nomination for pres. failed only to later run for pres. as a repub in 1992 by which time in both cases, his being in the KKK had long been of public knowledge. HERE

In fact the ACLU represented Duke in court. Officials with the American Civil Liberties Union, which represented Mr. Duke in his court challenges in Rhode Island, Florida and Georgia, contend that because primaries are public events, with decisions made by public officials and costs borne by the taxpayers, it is unfair for candidates to be kept off the ballot if party officials find them objectionable. Process Called Arbitrary. HERE

In this case you are guilty of doing what you claim these other parties and organizations of doing...smearing the liberals, the democrats and the ACLU with falsehoods because you don't like some of their other policies.

Furthermore, everybody in the medical community and their families, left, right, liberal, conservative have all sued to keep all of the relevant medical info. private and against all comers. Meaning that in my research on the above, it was everybody seeking office or competing against them from all sides of the social and political spectrum that wanted the info. public while principals battled to keep it private.

It was neither 'liberal' only and without any hypocrisy or the ACLU that pursued this.






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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/29/2016 12:24:05 PM   
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Australian crime isn't my problem.


But, Australian gun prohibition and mass shootings were my topic.

And the fact that they didn't have any real effect was mine. Or is no one allowed to disagree.


Wrong. They certainly have.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/29/2016 12:25:15 PM   
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AND WHY ? Yeah, and why do these foreigners think they know what is best for us ? I am starting to think they are jealous.

I think it's because we assume that it's a universal desire not to get shot dead.


I think that desire is shared even by gun owners, and, outside of those attempting suicide by gun (whose decision to be dead has trumped their desire to not die by gunshot), I'd bet almost all of those people shooting others still have that same desire.

Some people own high-powered weapons buy them specifically because they don't want to get shot (or stabbed, or clubbed) dead.

But, more specifically, if the desire to not be shot dead is universal, then what makes foreigners think they know better than people in the US? If it wasn't a universal desire (not one held within the US), I can see some value to your point.



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