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AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 6:32:37 AM   
bondageerone


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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 7:09:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because, despite the rest of the world proving that less guns is better and safer, they believe it is their god-given right to bear arms.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 7:22:23 AM   
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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 8:05:49 AM   
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Because, despite the rest of the world proving that less guns is better and safer, they believe it is their god-given right to bear arms.



safer from what?

does that mean you are calling for world wide disarmament that includes all weapons, knives, rocks, hammers, pipe, forks.

great idea genius.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 9:10:43 AM   
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Because, despite the rest of the world proving that less guns is better and safer, they believe it is their god-given right to bear arms.



safer from what?

does that mean you are calling for world wide disarmament that includes all weapons, knives, rocks, hammers, pipe, forks.

great idea genius.

Safer from idiots and lunatics with guns.
You've got more than your fair shair of them over there.
And there's shootings every single day with a handful of mass shootings scattered throughout the year, every year.

Yet you still think guns are a good idea.


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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 9:22:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Because, despite the rest of the world proving that less guns is better and safer, they believe it is their god-given right to bear arms.



safer from what?

does that mean you are calling for world wide disarmament that includes all weapons, knives, rocks, hammers, pipe, forks.

great idea genius.

Safer from idiots and lunatics with guns.
You've got more than your fair shair of them over there.
And there's shootings every single day with a handful of mass shootings scattered throughout the year, every year.

Yet you still think guns are a good idea.




oh?

so you dont give a fuck if we are protected from the idiots with knives, rocks, hammers, pipe, forks? Not to mention nukes and biological?

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 9:25:08 AM   
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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 9:58:51 AM   
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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 11:52:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		*Yawn* Yet another foreigner who thinks they know better.

Crawl back in your hole and spare us Americans your opinion... It's obvious by now we really don't give a shit about European, Canadian, or Australian opinions.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 2:37:44 PM   
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Because, despite the rest of the world proving that less guns is better and safer, they believe it is their god-given right to bear arms.


If the conditions in any other country are not the same as in the US, with only the allowing of gun ownership being the difference, then any claim that the US's violence rates will drop with guns being out of the equation are, at the very least, conjecture, and little more than a shitty hypothesis at the very best.

https://youtu.be/pELwCqz2JfE

I like Whittle's final line of analysis: [paraphrased] Maybe it's not the guns, but the people holding the guns.




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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 3:15:45 PM   
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Maybe it's not the guns, but the people holding the guns.


Actually I agree, I think there is a violence inherent within American culture, I mean, just look at your cultural heroes, the gun fighter, the gangster, etc.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/24/2016 3:50:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got a better idea, one that actually makes better sense than destroying the constitution.

How about getting those liberal anti gun shit heads to quit blocking bills that would make it mandatory for professionals and institutions to report people diagnosed with any mental or emotional disorder that has a high likelihood of violent outbursts to the state and federal databases that would then be able to use the law to keep the idiots from getting guns in the first fucking place????

They could also be told to quit stopping any bill that would make it mandatory for people with protection orders against them from being placed on the same database, which again would make it illegal and impossible for them to buy a gun!

Finally, a point that none of you anti gun morons will admit to.

There are 300 million legally owned guns in the US.

Now if everyone of those gun owners were the murdering, blood thirsty lunatics you claim that they are, there would be a hell of a lot more people shot.

According to DoJ records, the total number of guns illegally in the possession of criminals seized in the last year of record came to 16 million, most of these weapons could not have been purchased legally in the US without special permit.

Of those, 7 million had been reported stolen.

Among international law makers, the US has the most comprehensive gun regulations of any country where guns are legal for private ownership.

Those law makers also concede the fact that almost all of those regulations are useless due to limitations on the supporting laws, primarily the "right to privacy" as per doctor patient privilege.

Of the largest mass shootings in US history, all but two were committed by people being treated for various mental and emotional conditions that would have blocked them from purchasing guns IF THEY HAD BEEN REPORTED to the authorities.

Now another big point the liberals like to make is that "less than 1% of Muslims in the world commit acts of terror, therefore it is wrong to condemn or punish the entire Muslim population."

Fine and dandy, but when a gun is used in a crime, lets punish all gun owners because if they own a gun, they have to be guilty.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 7:44:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Real0ne that is not what freedomwarf1 said now is it and you fine well know it. Do you own guns real0ne I am curious.

jlf1961 3% own 50%9(265-300mill) I read that the other day to nail a bit more clarity that figure I sometimes use on other threads.

The carnage via guns in America is bewildering and exceeds almost all nations remind me never to go to Honduras

jlf1961 they cannot be safely owned by mere human plebs. More guns begat more death and carnage. But if someone would like to tell me where gun laws are akin to America - then we could look at the death and carnage dispairty between these two gun toting nations.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 7:51:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		As I've written, you could change the constitution and it will make no difference. Guns are deep into the American culture.

Getting 'rid' of guns would be like getting rid, of drugs, getting rid of greed and getting rid of nukes. Hell, it would be like getting rid of money.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 8:12:08 AM   
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Of the largest mass shootings in US history, all but two were committed by people being treated for various mental and emotional conditions that would have blocked them from purchasing guns IF THEY HAD BEEN REPORTED to the authorities.

Maybe so, but without access to guns those troubled people would probably not have been able to commit mass murders.

In the United States, the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people — the equivalent of 27 people shot dead every day of the year.

In other countries the rate is about one or two per million.

Clearly, the availability of guns is the major issue. Putting the blame on the privacy of mental health records is a strawman.

And, if seven million guns are stolen each year it may be due in some part to the irresponsibility of gun owners.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 8:39:30 AM   
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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 8:43:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Because, despite the rest of the world proving that less guns is better and safer, they believe it is their god-given right to bear arms.


If the conditions in any other country are not the same as in the US, with only the allowing of gun ownership being the difference, then any claim that the US's violence rates will drop with guns being out of the equation are, at the very least, conjecture, and little more than a shitty hypothesis at the very best.

https://youtu.be/pELwCqz2JfE

I like Whittle's final line of analysis: [paraphrased] Maybe it's not the guns, but the people holding the guns.


Most of us 'anti-gun' people aren't arguing the violence rates - just the easy deaths caused by guns, or more precisely, the prolific ownership and use of such.

Even if the level of violence were identical, the country with a gun ownership culture will have many more deaths than the one without such an in-grained culture.

And whilst gun nuts seem to think we advocate banning guns, actually we don't.
Many so-called 'gun free' countries still have guns, but the laws aren't quite so liberal and lax.
That's where the difference lies, not the banning of guns per se.


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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 9:06:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I like Whittle's final line of analysis: [paraphrased] Maybe it's not the guns, but the people holding the guns.

There's a corollary to that which is less popular with second amendment fundamentalists, though: how many of these shootists would be competent, or even have the balls to try, to kill somebody without a gun?

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 9:25:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I don't understand, and I seriously doubt that anyone can explain, is our friends want us to rid ourselves of guns. But what they fail to remember that powder acuated guns are used in the home and work construction and fabrication. They also have pneumatic, hydraulic, and electrical acuated weapons. Then there are sharp and bludgening weapons. To me, a gun is either a fully automatic weapon, mortar, howitzer, cannon or something to that affect. Semi automatic is a rifle or pistol, as is single shot weapons. Some black powder muzzle loading weapons could possibly fall into the category of gun. Some tortion weapons might be considered howitzers. If you ever watch punpkin chunkin at thanksgiving you might find that pneumatic weapons have great range and with proper ammo, accuracy. I really can't think of anything that can't be used as a weapons.

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RE: AND WHY ? - 9/25/2016 9:57:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very true, but if you can get a revolver from the pawn shop, why would you ever need to improvise a weapon?

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