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That is just taking what was said and running off in a different direction. No. We were discussing the empathy gap and like a true feminist Lucy wanted to ignore what is a male issue and start talking about women because FEMINISTS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT MEN.
Honestly, this is boring. You're so stupid you can't even correctly articulate the content of a conversation which you're commenting on.
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Yes men are more likely to be murdered, but it is also true that most violence against women is by a man they know intimately or who is at least a member of their family. Bollocks. Women are more violent in intimate relationships than men, it's just that they're a lot more fucking whiny about it. Men are more likely to suck it up - and let's face it, given how violent women are and how much feminists don't give a shit about men, they fucking have to.
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Our legal systems do indeed go after people who kill men (mainly men) and people who kill women (mainly men). It's just that the root causes are often different. No. They're not. This is just another idiotic feminist non-argument where you try and construct a gendered narrative around violence against women so you can ask for special privileges. Again. Christ, if women are so equal to men, then why do they need so many special privileges? This is what's pathetic about feminists - their inconsistency between their assertions about women and their arguments about men are so glaring (women don't have agency until they want it), that they revert to a discussion about feelings. Feminists know full well that arguing facts is futile because the facts don't support their insane fucking nonsense.
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You don't have to be from a rampant lunatic fringe to understand and respect both situations and seek quite correctly to have specific solutions for each. Tackling domestic violence and better policing of inner cities and drinking areas on a Saturday night, for example, both reduce harm and are both valid social responses. 50% of domestic violence is bidirectional with broken people physically abusing each other. In cases where the violence is unidirectional, the woman is the sole perpetrator 70% of the time. Explain to me, then, your stunningly insightful proposal about how you're going to curb women's violent tendencies and their belief they have a right to assault men.
Don't answer, IT'S FUCKING IRRELEVANT. Lucy wasn't discussing differing approaches to different problems she was - as I stated earlier - attempting to divert a discussion about injustice for men INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT WOMEN. Typical gynocentric self-obsession. Let's not talk about men's problems because ALL WOMEN ARE YET TO HAVE A PONY OF THEIR OWN.
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If taking account a woman's point of view when when women are involved in an issue is feminist then I struggle to see what's wrong with that. A point of view is a subjective evaluation of a situation and is fucking worthless. If you can't stick to facts, then just give up, because frankly, nobody cares about your fucking feelings - nor should they.
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Your characterisation of feminists relies on the deliberately most base forms and extreme forms of any argument. For example, most feminists would say that people who claim they are raped should be taken seriously, as should every claim of assault, Actually most feminists claim that by evaluating rape crimes on the basis of evidence is "victim blaming" and that the alleged victim is "being raped again by the system". Most feminists, in other words, are batshit-crazy man-haters.
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but few would advocate believing every rape claim no matter what emerges as part of an investigation. Don't be fucking stupid. Every time some famous dude is charged with rape, every public feminist in the world jumps all over him and proclaims him to be a rapist despite having absolutely no evidence to believe a single fucking word. Feminists came out of the woodwork in droves when Jian Ghomeshi was accused of sexual assault, only to rend their clothing and gnash their teeth when he was found innocent because his accusers were colluding and lying through their fucking teeth. They proclaimed the outcome of a fair trial to be a loss for women simply because due process was followed.
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Yet you insist on criticising people with quite reasonable views, using grotesque caricatures of their positions. Try going outside your room sometime. See the world and how your fellow man-haters behave. This IS feminism and this IS how feminists behave. You've got Hillary Clinton saying that "All rape victims should be believed" as though that's anything other than completely fatuous bullshit. In the fallout from Rolling Stone's infamous article documenting a fake rape on campus, you've got the Washington Post saying all rape accusers should be believed. In California, it's explicitly spelled out to juries that a rape conviction can occur based upon a woman's testimony alone with ZERO corroborating evidence.
And despite all this, feminists think that the victim shouldn't have to testify at trial. That the right to confront your accuser just isn't important. That only 2% of rape accusations are false (which is a nonsensical figure they invented).
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The clip which started this whole thread is not valid anti-feminist material, which I am sure you realise. You are just using it as an excuse for parading some of your favourite views on women's violence, the politics of rape and your sense that men are denied a fair crack of the whip. No, I personally think feminists are full of shit, that each gender enjoys privileges and that there's nothing wrong with that. Gender-based division of labour and responsibilities has been key to the success of Homo Sapiens as a species.
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In return I will do my best not to characterise you as a misogynist dinosaur, trying to act like an alpha male, when in fact you feel threatened by the fact that mere women are daring to speak up for themselves. Hey if you're not in charge of the little women, who are you in charge of? Your characterisation of me is irrelevant. You have no power here and I'm vastly amused by the idea that you think you do. You seriously think attempting to use social reprobation online is going to work? It's comforting to see you fall into your female pattern of behaviour. It exemplifies the degree to which women's behaviour is driven by their biology.
And given I'm a biological determinist - you're doing exactly what I would expect a woman to do. So much for agency.
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I am sure that you are not like that at all, so I wont suggest it.
Oh, suggest all you like - I love watching women play out their biological programming.
Hi mate.
Thank you for proving how unimportant I am by choosing to answer my every point - as usual by cut and pasting snippets of argument into piles of your usual gender-based hatred. You are certainly the master of splicing opinion, supposition, fact and prejudice, if nothing else. I wont waste anyone's time in debating the nature of objectivity and subjectivity in a post-modern world. Suffice it to say what you type doesn't measure up as either objectivity or self-aware subjectivity whatever truth you say you are reflecting as a biological determinist.
You are truly doing us all a great privilege by sharing you wisdom with those of us who have no power. I suppose that you are doing charity work here by even talking to us.
Sadly for you I don't expect my posts to work or not work. I enjoy expressing myself and a very small slice of the human race (including you it would seem) read them, and an even smaller group respond. I have no illusions about that, but it's sometimes fun or informative.
I just disagree with you, difficult as that may seem. I think your biology is wrong, your sociology is wrong and your political analysis of what ideas have genuine currency is wrong. I also think that you are over-assertive to the point of unproductive aggression in most of your posts - far from being the in control alpha leader you like to project yourself as.
As a fellow man, I think that you come across as threatened and scared, hiding behind a façade of the most basic and uninformed evolutionary biology, which seems to be based on your social beliefs rather than any balanced consideration of the scientific literature.
If you are so in control and believe that men have a natural hegemony, surely all of this would be beneath you, and you would just live your serenely, calm life. Why are you so threatened by anyone who even appears to be feminist, why do you exaggerate most people's position for effect and why are so damned angry all the time?
(No need to answer of course.)
I must apologise for being light-hearted and insincere in some of what I posted in my previous reply to you, although It was incredibly tame compared to the language and abuse that comes out of your typing fingers, including in your response to me.
Surely if you are a determinist, your view of human biology and human nature must win out in the end, so why do you bother with all these deluded fools who are by all accounts posting on an unfashionable, minority-interest message board?
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