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RE: 4 New Papers Link Solar Activity, Natural Ocean Cyc... - 10/14/2016 8:31:48 AM   
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These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling...

These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities...

These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural...

This section includes deceased scientists who would otherwise be listed in the prior sections...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

maybe you will enjoy impugning their credibility also?



yep thats why I asked for his calculated degrees of freedom, and insted he tried to laughably bluff his wat through, of course coming up with bullshit that of course matches his agenda. What is a poser for 100?

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RE: 4 New Papers Link Solar Activity, Natural Ocean Cyc... - 10/14/2016 7:36:02 PM   
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Ah yes, blog posts by Roy Spencer and Judith Curry, two of the vanishingly few actual scientists who work in the field and have issues with the consensus. Spencer of the evangelical creationist bent, who has signed the Cornwall Alliance statement on global warming, which dictates that his Christian beliefs forbid him from finding that Jehovah is not the Grand Controller of our Climate. Yeah, that's a credible scientist for you.


Spencer also denies evolution... which is probably a good thing, because at least he's consistent.

I always find it amusing when the deniers think that denying evolution is any different from denying AGW. The arguments are identical, ie: 'there's not enough proof!', 'look at this single mistake, the whole theory is debunked!', 'look at this one scientist out of 10,000 who found evidence that proves everything we know is wrong!', and of course 'modern science is corrupt and there's a conspiracy against God/Capitalism/oil companies/etc.'

The same people used the same tricks when they tried to convince everyone that cigarettes were healthy... but of course, this time we can definitely believe them.

I don't think you understand. Nobody denies that evolution occurs and little tiny horses evolve into big horses. However, I don't believe any scientist would say that evolution proves that life happened by accident and emerged from primordial slime. You seem confused on that issue. On the other hand, for over twent years I've been saying show me one computer simulation that actually works. It's never been one more thing. It's always been "one" thing that the science can't do. Your "faith" believes it can, but it just doesn't exist.

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RE: 4 New Papers Link Solar Activity, Natural Ocean Cyc... - 10/14/2016 7:51:31 PM   
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"Exposing Climate Alarmism in 90 Minutes"

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Last year Sony Pictures Classics released Merchants of Doubt, a documentary alleging that paid hucksters peddle climate denialism. Marc Morano, who founded and runs the website Climate Depot, was featured prominently as huckster-in-chief. This week Morano struck back with Climate Hustle, a 90-minute film released by the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) and CDR Communications. Climate Hustle exposes the industry of climate alarmism through an impressive sequence of interviews and news clips revealing the politicized narrative pushed onto the public. It’s a film with an important message. Unfortunately, its reach will be limited by its low budget and a few missteps in narrative development. But anyone interested in the politicization of contemporary science must see it. It showed in theaters only on May 2 but is set for release on DVD later this spring.

Climate Hustle unveils seven “hustles” perpetrated by climate con artists. These include the sleight of hand (patching together data sets into misleading temperature records) and the “ol’ switcheroo” (the pivot from global cooling to global warming and then again to “climate change” and “extreme weather”). Damning sequences show original clips of news anchors and scientists changing their tune as doom-predicting climate models fail to match the facts.

More often — and this is the key point of Climate Hustle – the hustlers stick to their talking points long after the facts have left them behind. We see climate scientists fumbling to explain the 18-year pause in global warming. We also see the precarious positions of celebrity global-warming apologists stuck on repeat, unsure which island of pseudo-scientific messaging to leap onto next. The most hilarious of these (filed under “The limited time offer,” one of the seven hustles) is Prince Charles, who in five nicely timed clips declares that nations will be under water in ten years (that was in 1999); then in 100 months (2008), seven years (2009), 86 months (2010). Finally, in 2014, he enunciates the worn-out warning that we are once again “running out of time.”

We hear Paul Ehrlich, author of The Population Bomb (1968), tittering in 1995 that rising seas would soon flood the Supreme Court and enable tourists to tie their boats to the Washington Monument. We see a nice montage of James Hansen, the NASA scientist who testified to the U.S. Senate in 1988 that he had detected the greenhouse effect, repeating warnings about “tipping points” and “irreversible” changes. One such “irreversible” change, of course, was to be the end of snow, predicted by scientists and proclaimed boldly by the New York Times in 2014. But then heavy winter snows hit, but, that’s right, they too were the product of global warming.

Climate Hustle is at its best when juxtaposing contradictory claims. And they are everywhere: Global warming causes heavy rain but also drought; carbon dioxide and temperature are closely correlated, yet rises in temperature tend to precede, not lag, CO2 increases; icecaps are supposedly melting, yet the Arctic sea ice is growing; the polar bear is supposed to be dying, yet its population has quintupled since the 1960s.

Can this dizzying array of contradiction and illogic be scientific? Morano shows scientists walking back some of their bizarre predictions, and he also shows mainstream climate scientists admitting they’re not on board with the headline-grabbing acts. We meet Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace. After he realized the evidence simply wasn’t there, Moore abandoned the alarmist trend he helped start.

The alarmist Left likes to paint global-warming skeptics as right-wing deniers. [noooo, we've never heard that before!] Morano shows climatologists who voted for President Obama but privately deplore alarm-mongering. The phony “97 percent” statistic that is constantly paraded as evidence of scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming gets a thorough debunking. Climate Hustle shows innumerable climate scientists — including U.N. and NASA scientists, Nobel laureates, and chaired professors at elite universities — reject the so-called settled science. According to the hustlers, carbon dioxide is a “poison” responsible for cooking our planet. Morano shows scientist after scientist affirming the life-giving importance of CO2 and testifying that Earth is actually in a “CO2 famine.” Hustlers in the media claim that only recently has the climate so dangerously yo-yoed. In old letters that Climate Hustle digs up, Thomas Jefferson and the first president of the British Royal Society worried about infrequent winter snow and shrinking Greenland ice in the early 19th century.

At times Morano tries too hard for “gotcha” moments. In one of several acted sketches, we see the Energy Police banging down the door to confiscate microwaves and table lamps from a private residence. It’s reminiscent of an Audi commercial from the 2010 Super Bowl, in which Green Police arrest the owner of an incandescent light bulb and accost teenagers drinking the banned beverage of bottled water. Meanwhile, the owner of an Audi A3 TDI, named “green car of the year” by Green Car Journal, gets to skip a highway eco-checkpoint and leave the Green Police behind. Too much? Perhaps, though there are real Green Police units in Israel, the U.K., and New York State...

Climate Hustle ends with previews. Morano has in mind a film zeroing in on the wealthy solar- and wind-energy investors who stand to profit from the alarmist activism they fund. He also signals a future project on the privacy invasions that climate alarmism prompts, including population control and the terrifying proposal by a New York University scientist to biologically engineer a shorter, smaller human who needs fewer resources. These are topics ripe for exploring in film — and worthy of support. Here’s hoping that Morano and CFACT can raise the production budget to do them justice.


https://www.nas.org/articles/90_minutes_climate_alarmism



The huckster-in-Chief is Al Gore in my opinion.

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RE: 4 New Papers Link Solar Activity, Natural Ocean Cyc... - 10/15/2016 5:45:33 AM   
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And the Hubble has found that there are 10X the number of Galaxies out there more than previously thought. That means the percentage of dark matter is way less than previously thought.


However, if you are poisoning the air, water and earth with your shit, then you must clean it up.

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RE: 4 New Papers Link Solar Activity, Natural Ocean Cyc... - 10/15/2016 8:11:14 AM   
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And the Hubble has found that there are 10X the number of Galaxies out there more than previously thought. That means the percentage of dark matter is way less than previously thought.


However, if you are poisoning the air, water and earth with your shit, then you must clean it up.

Cite please.


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RE: 4 New Papers Link Solar Activity, Natural Ocean Cyc... - 10/15/2016 8:12:47 AM   
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http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/hubble-reveals-observable-universe-contains-10-times-more-galaxies-than-previously-thought

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RE: 4 New Papers Link Solar Activity, Natural Ocean Cyc... - 10/15/2016 12:39:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

here are some others who:

quote:

These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling...

These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities...

These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural...

This section includes deceased scientists who would otherwise be listed in the prior sections...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

maybe you will enjoy impugning their credibility also?



yep thats why I asked for his calculated degrees of freedom, and insted he tried to laughably bluff his wat through, of course coming up with bullshit that of course matches his agenda. What is a poser for 100?



You are a complete derping pile of projection and irony. My answer (a couple pages back) to your apparently disingenuous question about df was completely correct. Since you have clearly never had a course in statistics in your life, here's a bit of a clue for you:

http://psystat.at.ua/Articles/Table_Pearson.PDF

What I suspect that you, in your bluffing ignorance in this area, meant in that bumbling question, was "how many variables are there in this system?". That would have been a whole lot relevant to your attempts to obfuscate on the subject. You should at least learn the basic vocabulary of the discipline you are feigning facility with, if you're going to do this denialist trolling.

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