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RE: Child support to be audited - 10/13/2016 10:45:51 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"1. Women have greater influence over men than men have over women. "

True in most cases perhaps but I have seen quite the opposite. I am talking non-kinky couple where the Man rules the roost. I would say dominate but not domineer, there is a difference I believe. In most cases he just work and pay the bills. She serves him, literally. Willingly, because he takes good care of her and makes her go "OOOOOOOO" at night. And it's not like she has zero authority, it's just that he has more.

"1. Women have greater influence over big boys than big boys have over women. "

There, fixed it forya.

Men don't argue with Women for one. They start bitching and yelling we tell them to talk to the wall and I'll be outside having a smoke. Once you get it out of your system then we can talk about your gripes. Men rarely raise their voice. There are alot of things involved and none of them involve physical strength or penis size.

And Men also realize that Women are emotional creatures and need to be taken care of emotionally. That is why they get into relationships in the first place. On the other hand a Man can set his emotions aside and act rationally under bad conditions.

We have lots of big boys but few Men. I am not even saying I am a Man. I think there is a spectrum between the two, and I am somewhere in between. I think so are most.

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RE: Child support to be audited - 10/14/2016 6:55:02 AM   
HoneyBears


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Status: offline 		To the OP, thinking outside of the box, if *real* men (as husbands and fathers) and *real* women * (as wives and mothers) did as they should in caring for their children, there would be no need for governmental intervention ...

No need for child support enforcement ... No need for child support audits ....
No need to pawn off one's children into the care of (oftentimes ailing, elderly) grandparents or other relatives either, except under temporary extenuating circumstances.

In a utopian society, nobody would be shirking their responsibilities and treating others as less than. But, none of us lives in a utopian society.

Now T, to expound a bit on what you have expounded upon ...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Men don't argue with Women for one. They start bitching and yelling we tell them to talk to the wall and I'll be outside having a smoke.

I don't argue with men (people). They start bitching, yelling and throwing a hissy fit, and I tell them to talk to the hand and I'll be outside having a smoke.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Men rarely raise their voice. There are alot of things involved and none of them involve physical strength or penis size.

And Men also realize that Women are emotional creatures and need to be taken care of emotionally.

A *real* man has no need to raise his voice or to lose control of himself in order to get his point across.

A *real* man also knows that when a woman expresses emotion, she needs to have her feelings validated by being heard out, because females tend to be more verbally expressive than males are generally.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

On the other hand a Man can set his emotions aside and act rationally under bad conditions.

Agreed. An emotionally mature adult can set his or her emotions aside and act rationally under bad/adverse conditions.
They must, in order to be effective in caring for themselves and for others who depend upon them, as their protector instead of routinely needing to be protected by others.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

We have lots of big boys but few Men. I am not even saying I am a Man. I think there is a spectrum between the two, and I am somewhere in between. I think so are most.

I see this in a couple of ways.
We have lots of overgrown adults who are immature, still going through life using their parents as safety nets (or still sponging off of their folks, gf/bf, spouses, best buddies, etc.).

No offense intended to DD/lg kinks, but there are women who want to waltz through life being Daddy's Little Princess, rather than knowing how to act like a lady and/or taking care of their family and contributing to their communities.

We have lots of Mama's boys who want women to cater to their needs without the slightest regard for what the woman wants, much less keeping her intimacy needs met.

I am part American Indian. (Native American, to those of you who have an issue with semantics.) From what I have learned and heard in stories my Penobscot great-granddad used to tell me (I never knew my full-blooded grandfather on the other side of the family, who died serving in WWII.), a boy cannot become a man unless he becomes recognized by his tribe as a warrior. In that sense, I carry the spirit of my ancestors in my value and belief systems.

We have a nation of unrecognized stunted warriors, boys who have not officially completed rites of passage into manhood. Boys with no clear vision of the future, who have never undergone their Dark Night of the Soul in an individual vision quest.

This thing with gaming, is the closest that these men-children will ever get to experiencing initiation levels.

I am exempting soldiers, since even without having been in a war zone or seeing combat, they get indoctrinated thoroughly, men and women of the Armed Forces alike.

You, I do not see as a Mama's boy. I think you can safely be considered "the Man."

-- Lisa

P.S. I think I may have meant "inducted" rather than "indoctrinated."

< Message edited by HoneyBears -- 10/14/2016 7:00:33 AM >

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RE: Child support to be audited - 10/14/2016 10:50:26 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"No need for child support enforcement..."

I hold a similar opinion about food stamps. If they are truly needy why not just give them the money ? Well, that's because they'll spend it on booze and drugs or who knows what and let the kids starve.

"I don't argue with men (people). They start bitching, yelling and throwing a hissy fit, and I tell them to talk to the hand and I'll be outside having a smoke. "

I don't use "talk to the hand" but it is pretty much the same thing. However I would be interested in seeing how you implement having your hand in the house and the rest of you outside. LOL But I do admit that males get out of control and some of them become unreasonable. Luckily the field in which I work does not attract the stupid so arguments are uncommon and when they do happen they are civil.

"A *real* man has no need to raise his voice or to lose control of himself in order to get his point across. "

I actually lower my voice. If they keep yelling I lower it to the point of being hard to hear.

"We have lots of Mama's boys who want women to cater to their needs without the slightest regard for what the woman wants, much less keeping her intimacy needs met. "

You scratch my back I scratch you back.

"I am part American Indian. (Native American, to those of you who have an issue with semantics.) "

Both are misnomers. Whatever this land was called before I don't know but Indian comes from the fact that some explorer who flunked navigation, or simply made an error thought he was in the West Indies. The term America comes from the name of Amerigo Vespucci. But if people accept it not as a slur it is fine. There was Aryanna, Persia and Iran. Japan used to be Nippon. (in fact the brand name NEC stands for Nippon Electric Company, and just in passing, Sony used to be called Tokyo Tse Chung Kogyo, no wonder they changed it LOL) I don't really mind being called a Polok but someone did tell me it was a racial slur used by Jews in Poland. "You Poloks own the streets, we own everything else". But then others told me it is actually the Polish word for a Polish person. But the thing is the intent.

"a boy cannot become a man unless he becomes recognized by his tribe as a warrior"

Yes but from what I have heard, straight from Natives who have some connection to the Nation is that they didn't really have to kill anyone but there were some extreme physical tests. They weren't always at war.

"Boys with no clear vision of the future, who have never undergone their Dark Night of the Soul in an individual vision quest. "

Read somewhere that they do some peyote buttons and literally climb in a hole, but that might not be all nations/tribes. The first time I did mescaline (which is in the buttons) I was alone. In a car, as night fell and then you can't see much. Then the thoughts come. I have no deity at all but I believe something like that slightly changes one's brain.

"This thing with gaming, is the closest that these men-children will ever get to experiencing initiation levels. "

If you are talking computer gaming, I think that is the worst thing ever invented. I think playing sports tunes up the body and mind but watching sports is a waste of time. Computer gaming ? I have heard of people literally shitting their pants because they don't want to leave the game even for a few minutes. Of course these are games with other players online which explains it, but that is still going too far.

"You, I do not see as a Mama's boy. I think you can safely be considered "the Man.""

You are probably giving me too much credit. I used to have my own house but now I live with family. I am not totally useless though. Going through the story of how this all came about would take too long, but one of the main things is that the bottom fell out of my trade. I used to make decent money but now I can barely afford beer. I am 56 and it is a bit late to learn something else especially in light of the fact my eyesight is going, and not in a way that is easily fixable. I used to work on components of extremely expensive home theaters, now I work on Karaoke and DJ equipment. I make about 60 & of what I used to, and there is not all that much work, it is by no means full time. But I try to work as much as I can and I do have a work ethic, which is something else lacking in this country.

i also have another belief and this comes down to something you said about responsibility. I think that except in cases where one partner is abusive that people should stay together and learn to get along for the sake of the kids. They need both male and female influences. They can get divorced and not eve tell the kids, just get separate cars and go have what you want on the side. But still have dinner together ad all that like the traditional family.

Long ago I read about where a couple both decided to be homosexual. Their experience with each other must have been really that great eh ? But she is moving in with her girlfriend and he is moving in with his boyfriend. They had kids. I think they were both cunt because they wanted to live with someone else so just fuck over the kids they created together.

The problem with this world is people. Maybe we should just have the war and see how many die. More than half would be nice.

T^T

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RE: Child support to be audited - 10/15/2016 3:12:06 AM   
HoneyBears


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Status: offline 		BTW, when I do step out for a smoke, it is into the sunroom where I can keep the windows open to air out. Yeah, somebody following me from room to room or outside patio would see the back of my hand. LOL

To be a warrior means much more than waging war or fighting other warriors. I should have specified "brave." It is an ethic with codes of honor to follow, in taking one's rightful place within tribal society and governance, pulling one's own weight as communal provider, ensuring tribal legacies for future generations in perpetuity. A healing shaman has an even higher calling than that of an ordinary brave, because he (or she) has to bridge the the worldly and the otherworldly realms of the seen and the unseen.

Yes, there were raiding parties. Yes, tribes enslaved members of other tribes in internecine warfare.* There is a whole dark side to North American NatAm culture, just like there was a bloody, cruel dark side to South & Central American civilizations (such as the Mayan, Incan, Aztecs, Toltecs). Among indigenous tribes, stealing a bride was not an uncommon practice, hence the ritualistic development of paying a bride price as a token act of compensation to the bride's family in order to keep the peace. Dowry is a whole other later cultural development, as a sort of conjugal insurance policy. Without cause, such as infertility or infidelity, a man could not put away his wife without returning her dowry, and chances are he could not afford to or did not want to part with any of *his* wealth.

This is what OP and his fan do not quite get. It was not and is not tribal women going around stealing men to be their bridegrooms, or to force into marriage (by those means ).

You men want a woman you do not deserve and cannot afford to maintain in the style into which she is accustomed? You poaching bastards want to steal your Helen of Troy away from her husband without raining down destruction upon yourself and your people? There is a price to pay, one way or the other, to have and to keep the woman you desire for your own. There is a price to pay to RENT or LEASE the affections of a woman who is willing to be hired for her companionship. Men can bitch and moan about this all day long, and protest that women should not have "greater value" than men, but reality dictates otherwise. Deal with it.

* Not much different than what happened over in Africa which enabled slave traders to conduct their dirty business for centuries. The Vikings and just about every other culture and ethnicity on the face of this earth. Slave-trading might possibly be the oldest "profession," older than prostitution. Think about it. You do not have to pay a female slave to provide you with sexual services, but the household has to provide for her upkeep as a working servant.

Call it indentured servanthood, whateverTF. (The story of Jacob illustrates this perfectly, how he was tricked into working for 14 years to earn the hand of the woman he loved, instead of the originally agreed-upon 7 years.)

Dang it, I did not get to the rest.

-- Lisa

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