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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/1/2016 9:47:19 PM   
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I dont give a rats ass what they are getting paid, if they arent happy they can get another job, that does not mean we should accept shoddy service from them. Why are you aplogizing for them?


His point was that the poor salary & working conditions attract barely qualified candidates to the Force.



Exactly.

And if cities do not want to pay for the best, then they deserve what they get or no police protection at all.

The best qualified are leaving police forces in droves to go to forces that pay better and they know they will be hired in a heart beat, or they are getting out of the job altogether leaving men and women on the force that barely meet the minimum standards in all qualifications.

Or to put it bluntly, men and women that barely pass the psych eval for temper and motivations for being cops.


Or maybe you will understand it this way, police departments are being put in the position to hire people who want the badge and gun for the power they think it gives them.

Sorry, but those are the very people you do not want being cops.

I had one deputy here in the county tell me my wolf hybrid was illegal to own. Since I know there are no breed specific laws in the county, I asked him to cite the ordinance.

After he stalled a few minutes, I very politely informed him that as of that minute, the county had no breed specific laws, and the law that was considered by the state had been voted down. I then informed his watch commander (a guy I go hunting with every year) about the incident.



This week we had a simular situation with a Alabama football player.
I mention he was a football player because that is the only reason I know about the incident.
He was arrested because he had a pistol without a ccw.
It was under the seat of his car.
The problem was that he had a LA permit and not a AL one.
Apparently the cop didn't know that AL has a reciprocity agreement with LA thus the permit was good, thus he committed no crime. The authorities haven't admitted they made a mistake yet.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/1/2016 10:26:20 PM   
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It still verys, Michaels Brown didn't have a weapon, but he had already beaten the cop to a pulp, and tried to take his gun from him, and was coming back, apparently to finish the job when he was shot. The incident began when the officer told him and a friend not to walk in the middle of the street, Brown had just committed a strong armed robbery ( they had that on tape) and apparently panicked. Thus he got to attack before the cop was able to do anything.


There's not much you can do about certain situations. You've got to respect that fact that the police put themselves in the way of harm just by serving their communities.

A couple of years ago two policewomen in Manchester (UK) were gunned down after being set up by a suspect by making a false call about a house burglary. He then calmly walked into a police station and gave himself up.

Two female police officers shot dead in Manchester

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/1/2016 11:13:35 PM   
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I dont give a rats ass what they are getting paid, if they arent happy they can get another job, that does not mean we should accept shoddy service from them. Why are you aplogizing for them?


His point was that the poor salary & working conditions attract barely qualified candidates to the Force.



Exactly.

And if cities do not want to pay for the best, then they deserve what they get or no police protection at all.

The best qualified are leaving police forces in droves to go to forces that pay better and they know they will be hired in a heart beat, or they are getting out of the job altogether leaving men and women on the force that barely meet the minimum standards in all qualifications.

Or to put it bluntly, men and women that barely pass the psych eval for temper and motivations for being cops.


Or maybe you will understand it this way, police departments are being put in the position to hire people who want the badge and gun for the power they think it gives them.

Sorry, but those are the very people you do not want being cops.

I had one deputy here in the county tell me my wolf hybrid was illegal to own. Since I know there are no breed specific laws in the county, I asked him to cite the ordinance.

After he stalled a few minutes, I very politely informed him that as of that minute, the county had no breed specific laws, and the law that was considered by the state had been voted down. I then informed his watch commander (a guy I go hunting with every year) about the incident.



This week we had a simular situation with a Alabama football player.
I mention he was a football player because that is the only reason I know about the incident.
He was arrested because he had a pistol without a ccw.
It was under the seat of his car.
The problem was that he had a LA permit and not a AL one.
Apparently the cop didn't know that AL has a reciprocity agreement with LA thus the permit was good, thus he committed no crime. The authorities haven't admitted they made a mistake yet.



More unlawful gubmint extortion shit.

No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore.” (Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105)

“If the State converts a right into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity.” (Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, Alabama, 373 U.S. 262)



why dont you guys start arguing law around here instead of just spitting at each other?





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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 11:14:37 AM   
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I dont give a rats ass what they are getting paid, if they arent happy they can get another job, that does not mean we should accept shoddy service from them. Why are you aplogizing for them?


His point was that the poor salary & working conditions attract barely qualified candidates to the Force.



Exactly.

And if cities do not want to pay for the best, then they deserve what they get or no police protection at all.

The best qualified are leaving police forces in droves to go to forces that pay better and they know they will be hired in a heart beat, or they are getting out of the job altogether leaving men and women on the force that barely meet the minimum standards in all qualifications.

Or to put it bluntly, men and women that barely pass the psych eval for temper and motivations for being cops.


Or maybe you will understand it this way, police departments are being put in the position to hire people who want the badge and gun for the power they think it gives them.

Sorry, but those are the very people you do not want being cops.

I had one deputy here in the county tell me my wolf hybrid was illegal to own. Since I know there are no breed specific laws in the county, I asked him to cite the ordinance.

After he stalled a few minutes, I very politely informed him that as of that minute, the county had no breed specific laws, and the law that was considered by the state had been voted down. I then informed his watch commander (a guy I go hunting with every year) about the incident.



Two days ago I had a State Game Warden tell me Humming Bird feeders were illegal because it's illigal to feed wild game. He's new in the area and the first Warden I've not allowed on my land. I have a good place near the road on my property to sit and listen and look for poachers. He'll not be using it. I won't let a person like that on my property without a warrant.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 11:25:41 AM   
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Two days ago I had a State Game Warden tell me Humming Bird feeders were illegal because it's illigal to feed wild game. He's new in the area and the first Warden I've not allowed on my land. I have a good place near the road on my property to sit and listen and look for poachers. He'll not be using it. I won't let a person like that on my property without a warrant.



the first thing I do is ask them to recite the statute so I can review the law. If it is not created by the legisoature of the state or if the legislature of the sate has passed its legislative lawmaking authority to inferior administrative agencies and it does not positively ban their use, then you can pierce the corporate veil and sue his ass personally for operating outside authorized jurisdiction.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 2:20:14 PM   
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This week we had a simular situation with a Alabama football player.
I mention he was a football player because that is the only reason I know about the incident.
He was arrested because he had a pistol without a ccw.
It was under the seat of his car.
The problem was that he had a LA permit and not a AL one.
Apparently the cop didn't know that AL has a reciprocity agreement with LA thus the permit was good, thus he committed no crime. The authorities haven't admitted they made a mistake yet.


What sort of repercussion will the punkassmotherfucker get for trying to enforce a law that does not exist?
If you are a cop isn't it incumbant on you to know the law before you start waging youir dick?


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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 4:06:36 PM   
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In case you don't know this a mentally ill person can kill you same as a completly sane person, and are less likely to listen to reason.


You are clearly too phoquing stupid to understand the issue. A mentally ill person may not be able to distinguish right from wrong. You really are one bloodthirsty punkassmotherfucker.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 4:10:39 PM   
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Torso, for those who are slow, equals center mass, which is where cops here are taught to shoot.


Because it reduces the number of hostile witnesses.

We have a person on here who not only claims that he can shoot a person in the toe at 25 yards, but that this is as effective at stopping them as a torso shot.

Once again you show yourself to be a lying punkassmotherfucker.
I said a foot shot would desable without killing.
I said I could hit your toe at 25 yards.


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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 4:15:58 PM   
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And how many civilians would have been killed while the cops where in hiding.


Only a simple minded copsucker like yourself would believe that cops are not civilians.
How many non combatants were shot by the two bank robbers in los angeles that the cowardly cops refused to engage?
When cops are shooting children with toy guns and black men armed with a vape box they are pretty brave but when confronted by grown men with guns they dont have the balls that god gave a girlscout.


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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 4:40:48 PM   
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In most cases, the officer never pulls his weapon. In fact, in 5 years in law enforcement, I pulled my weapon a total of 5 times, I have known officers go 20 years and pull a weapon maybe 10 times total.


So it clearly is not a dangerous job.

However, that was some time ago.

Today, unfortunately, things are different.


True the killing of cops is at a 40 year low. What is your point?


This year alone, over 10 officers have been killed in ambush situations and the year is not over. Last year, 16 were killed in ambushes.

Perhaps some people are taking revenge for cops murdering the people they are paid to protect.


The problem is two fold, cops who are on edge because they cant be sure a call or minor traffic stop is not going to escalate, and people who are just plain stupid and try to run over cops with cars, pull guns on an officer who pulled them over for a routine traffic stop.


Perhaps if sandra bland had been armed she would not have been murdered in custody for being a mouthy black woman.

Then there is the final problem, police departments are under staffed. Where two officers were assigned to patrol units in many major cities, you have one. So you have a single officer, first on the scene and has to act not only to keep himself safe, but to protect the public.

So what? You have told us already that being a cop is not all that dangeous.


Hence the rise in dash and body cams, which does a fat lot of good if the officer comes up on a bad situation alone and is killed in the process.


The cameras are to help prevent cops murdering the people that they are paid to protect and planting evidence.


Finally, there is a good reason there seems to be more bad or trigger happy cops. The pay sucks.

Once again you are full of shit. A high school graduate with an agressive attitude and no marketable skills starts out at about $30 per hour in los angeles.


Good cops can make more in the private sector than working for a police department.

Really???where in the private sector do they start out at $30 per hour. Security at the mgm casinos in vegas start out at $12.50 per hour.

Rookies that meet the minimum standards in all respects are getting badges while people with the best qualifications are going elsewhere.

Then you get situations like we seem to be having a epidemic of.

So when people are screaming why cant we get better people in the job, the answer is simple, when the city says they need to raise taxes to pay cops a decent salary, the citizens say NO.

How much do you think a high school grad with no marketable skills besides an assertive attitude should make?

The reason I left law enforcement was the pay. Straight salary and after figuring the hours worked, it boiled down to less than minimum wage. Officers routinely work 50 or more hours a week and the pay is just not worth it.

Which cop shops pay patrolmen a salary? The irs is pretty clear about who can be salaried and who must be hourly?

You got seven hours on patrol, then you got pa[pper work, training sessions, briefings, etc. By the time a day is finished you may have put in 11 to 14 hours.


Again which jurrisdictions pay their cops a salary?

Of course, when one cop screws up, every cop is a screw up, maniac with a badge and a gun, etc.


Stop making shit up


Sorry, but to be honest, many cities and towns get EXACTLY what they deserve.


Like furgistan? Like los angeles that had the doj put the whole lapd into recievership because they were classed as an ongoing criminal conspirqacy?
Like the los angeles sherrifs department that has the assistant chief and the top tier of commanders in the joint? Where the sherrif, lee bacca, is trying to decide if he wants to go to prison for ten years of swallow a .38 cal pill?


No one ever holds rallies for a cop that saved a life, went out of his way to help someone, but one screw up by one bad cop and suddenly you have a riot.

You are full of shit. When a cop actually does their job they are treated like heros for doing what they are paid to do.





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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 4:50:08 PM   
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Dont matter, cops lives arent worth two cents when compared to black lives, at least that is the why I am beginning to read it.

When the number of cops dead at the hands of blacks is equal to the number of blacks murdered by cops you can make that point until then it is just racist rhetoric.

So far for 2016, 38 officers shot dead in the line of duty.

How many by black shooters?

And while people take to the streets to protest the killing of a black man in the US, how many of those people take to the streets to protest killing a cop.


Black people are not paid to protect cops...cops are paid to protect and not murder the people who pay them.


The Black Lives Matter movement has yet to denounce the New Black Panther's call for blacks to kill cops,


So what?

have not denounced the people who kill cops from ambush,

So what?

and only a small percentage of the marchers on the streets the night that 7 officers were ambushed and killed even bothered to show up for the memorial.

So what?


How about this solution.

Repeal the Posse Comitatus Act, bring all troops stationed over seas home, and let those guys police the cities where they seem to celebrate a cop getting killed.


Why do you want martial law?


Either that or eliminate police patrols in any neighborhood or community where a cop has been killed and none of the citizens seem to give a fuck.


How about we dont pay the pussies who havent the balls that god gave a girlscout if they don't do what we pay them to do?

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 5:05:58 PM   
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The average pay for police is $56,810 a year, great salary....


1092.50 a week


IF the officer only works, either on patrol or doing paper work etx, 60 hours a week, its still good, $18.21 an hour

Bullshit it is $28 per hour plus time and a half for overtime. it is the phoquing law.


Problem is that most departments are understaffed so the average police officer work week is between 70 and 80 hours a week.


Who would'nt take a job that pays $28 an hour and $42 an hour for up to 40 hours of overtime? That amounts to about $168k a year. Not bad wages for some one with a high school diploma and no marketable skills besides an assertive attitude.


Now for that pay they are expected to put their lives on the line,

You have told us previously that you only drew your weapon five times in five years. Cop deaths in the line of duty is at a 40 year low so "putting their lives on the line is really a bullshit statement.

put up with bullshit from a public that criticizes every decision,

Every decission???stop making shit up


miss time with their family.

They were not drafted. They can quit anytime they like unlike the military who are paid quite a bit less and unlike cops have to face a professional enemy who is as well armed and trained as they are.


By the way, in the US, the average middle class income is $70 to 78,000 a year.

Is the person in that average a high school grad with no marketable skills? Or are they people with a higher level of education and marketable skills?

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 5:50:35 PM   
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And how many civilians would have been killed while the cops where in hiding.


Only a simple minded copsucker like yourself would believe that cops are not civilians.
How many non combatants were shot by the two bank robbers in los angeles that the cowardly cops refused to engage?



Thompson...I think you're remembering wrong. Two gunmen/bank robbers with a car trunk full of fully auto AK's and full body armor. Cops showing up to the scene with one 9mm pistol and 15 rounds, unless they carried private personal backups. Isn't 9mm what you call little girly guns. Besides the two robbers, 15 people shot, 10 of which were cops. Both robbers killed by cops firing head shots with little girly guns while facing the robber with a full auto AK wearing armor. Show me the cowardly aspect?

I'll tell you a cowardly aspect. A couple of years later while working on a gun in the basement of a friend's gun store there were two DOJ guys doing an audit. I overheard one DOJ guy braging to the other that he'd shut down the LA gun store that loaned the LA PD rifles to fight the two robbers for a couple of minor administrative mistakes. He thought it was funny.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 6:01:34 PM   
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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 6:34:17 PM   
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And how many civilians would have been killed while the cops where in hiding.


Only a simple minded copsucker like yourself would believe that cops are not civilians.
How many non combatants were shot by the two bank robbers in los angeles that the cowardly cops refused to engage?



Thompson...I think you're remembering wrong. Two gunmen/bank robbers with a car trunk full of fully auto AK's and full body armor. Cops showing up to the scene with one 9mm pistol and 15 rounds, unless they carried private personal backups. Isn't 9mm what you call little girly guns. Besides the two robbers, 15 people shot, 10 of which were cops. Both robbers killed by cops firing head shots with little girly guns while facing the robber with a full auto AK wearing armor. Show me the cowardly aspect?

I'll tell you a cowardly aspect. A couple of years later while working on a gun in the basement of a friend's gun store there were two DOJ guys doing an audit. I overheard one DOJ guy braging to the other that he'd shut down the LA gun store that loaned the LA PD rifles to fight the two robbers for a couple of minor administrative mistakes. He thought it was funny.

You sound like you think he remembers anything right.
That atf guy you heard was a major part of the problem.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 9:10:23 PM   
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Thompson...I think you're remembering wrong. Two gunmen/bank robbers with a car trunk full of fully auto AK's and full body armor. Cops showing up to the scene with one 9mm pistol and 15 rounds, unless they carried private personal backups.


You are the one with the memory problem. Two punks with body armor and automatic weapons stuck up a bank. I watched it on tv while it was happening. At one point the punk was on one side of the cop car and the cops on the other side. all he has to do is stand up and take the shot. that is what they get paid to do.

Isn't 9mm what you call little girly guns.


The lapd after the shootout authorized patrolmen to carry .45 acp. The little girls gun that they had would have no problem penetrating the punks head if the cops had the balls to stand up and take the shot.


Besides the two robbers, 15 people shot, 10 of which were cops.


Five non combatants and 15 cops recieved non fatal wounds.


Both robbers killed by cops firing head shots with little girly guns while facing the robber with a full auto AK wearing armor. Show me the cowardly aspect?


One of the punks committed suicide. The other was shot in the lower unarmored part of his leg and when he fell the cops swarmed him and cuffed him. They kept the paramedics away from him for an hour while he bled to death. If the cops had administered one round to each of the punks heads (which were not armored the confrontation would have been over in moments instead of nearly an hour



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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 9:53:23 PM   
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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/2/2016 10:10:46 PM   
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Thompson...I think you're remembering wrong. Two gunmen/bank robbers with a car trunk full of fully auto AK's and full body armor. Cops showing up to the scene with one 9mm pistol and 15 rounds, unless they carried private personal backups.


You are the one with the memory problem. Two punks with body armor and automatic weapons stuck up a bank. I watched it on tv while it was happening. At one point the punk was on one side of the cop car and the cops on the other side. all he has to do is stand up and take the shot. that is what they get paid to do.

Isn't 9mm what you call little girly guns.


The lapd after the shootout authorized patrolmen to carry .45 acp. The little girls gun that they had would have no problem penetrating the punks head if the cops had the balls to stand up and take the shot.


Besides the two robbers, 15 people shot, 10 of which were cops.


Five non combatants and 15 cops recieved non fatal wounds.


Both robbers killed by cops firing head shots with little girly guns while facing the robber with a full auto AK wearing armor. Show me the cowardly aspect?


One of the punks committed suicide. The other was shot in the lower unarmored part of his leg and when he fell the cops swarmed him and cuffed him. They kept the paramedics away from him for an hour while he bled to death. If the cops had administered one round to each of the punks heads (which were not armored the confrontation would have been over in moments instead of nearly an hour



Is have taken a hydration break to let the punk bleed out as well. Your report is different than CNN. You watched it and I respect you have an eye for that sort of thing. I also watched the second guy go down as the police confronted and head shot him over a car. Your interpritation is noted. I don't agree from what I saw. But, as you know, a warriors sight is the only perspective that really counts in the end. I've heard tale of many things I can't dispute because I wasn't there. Hui, Mogadishu, a little place in Afghanistan. Who writes the story. I've seen bad tales and good. You can only look at the men standing to make a judgement.

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RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police - 10/6/2016 11:48:51 AM   
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Thompson...I think you're remembering wrong. Two gunmen/bank robbers with a car trunk full of fully auto AK's and full body armor. Cops showing up to the scene with one 9mm pistol and 15 rounds, unless they carried private personal backups.


You are the one with the memory problem. Two punks with body armor and automatic weapons stuck up a bank. I watched it on tv while it was happening. At one point the punk was on one side of the cop car and the cops on the other side. all he has to do is stand up and take the shot. that is what they get paid to do.

Isn't 9mm what you call little girly guns.


The lapd after the shootout authorized patrolmen to carry .45 acp. The little girls gun that they had would have no problem penetrating the punks head if the cops had the balls to stand up and take the shot.


Besides the two robbers, 15 people shot, 10 of which were cops.


Five non combatants and 15 cops recieved non fatal wounds.


Both robbers killed by cops firing head shots with little girly guns while facing the robber with a full auto AK wearing armor. Show me the cowardly aspect?


One of the punks committed suicide. The other was shot in the lower unarmored part of his leg and when he fell the cops swarmed him and cuffed him. They kept the paramedics away from him for an hour while he bled to death. If the cops had administered one round to each of the punks heads (which were not armored the confrontation would have been over in moments instead of nearly an hour



Is have taken a hydration break to let the punk bleed out as well. Your report is different than CNN. You watched it and I respect you have an eye for that sort of thing. I also watched the second guy go down as the police confronted and head shot him over a car. Your interpritation is noted.


There are numerous videos avaiable on youtube and numerous descriptions to be found on google. If your google does not work perhaps a trip to the public library could disabuse you of your ignorance.


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