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American Criminal Justice System - 9/30/2016 6:18:11 PM   
Chaska


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Status: offline 		The Land of the Free punishes or imprisons more of its citizens than any other country. The United States has only 5% of the world's population, yet a full 25% of the world's prisoners.

At 2.5 million, the US has more prisoners than even China does with five times the population of the United States. 8 million Americans (1 in every 31) languish under some form of state monitoring known as "correctional supervision." On top of that, the security and livelihood of over 13 million more has forever been altered by a felony conviction. An estimated 65 million Americans cannot pass a background check.

More of the article and video here.
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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 9/30/2016 6:23:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		my initial thought is when one is free (as in "the land of the free") and they muck up and abuse their freedom to the point of harming their fellow citizens by seriously breaking the law, and they are imprisoned or monitored or whatever, that doesn't change the "land of the free" moniker in the least.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 9/30/2016 6:54:38 PM   
Chaska


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Status: offline 		I can understand that as an initial thought based on the small portion of the article shared. However, reading the entire article and watching the video would offer more insight.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 9/30/2016 7:16:43 PM   
bounty44


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Status: offline 		i live in the country with a tortuously slow internet connection and i cannot watch videos. websites like that often take many minutes to load, if at all. for instance its been loading for over 5 minutes while im typing this, so chances are while ive got this open, im not going to get to it.

i do know rand paul, from the libertarian perspective, has sometimes criticized the amount of prisoners we have, mostly from the perspective an oppressive, or at least too instrusive government locking up non-violent offenders, and other low level offenders.

I can say this though too---does any other country in the world have as many illegal aliens in it committing crimes (apart from being in the country illegally) as does the united states? I understand the % of illegals is relatively high in the prison population.


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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 9/30/2016 7:22:53 PM   
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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 9/30/2016 7:48:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Over 50 percent of inmates currently in federal prison are there for drug offenses, according to an infographic recently released by the Federal Bureau of Prisons (see chart below). That percentage has risen fairly consistently over decades, all the way from 16 percent in 1970.

The second-largest category, immigration-related crimes, accounts for 10.6 percent of inmates. This means that people convicted of two broad categories of nonviolent crimes drugs and immigration make up over 60 percent of the U.S. prison population.

HERE

Profit in prisons:

Crime does pay...private prison operators.

Revenue for 2012, the two largest operators took in $3.3 billion.

NY state cost per inmate/per year $168,000 of which $60,000 per inmate per year is private.

Harvard tuition for a full time student...$40,000.

Hey kinkroids, as I've been telling you, in America, it's...all about money. The capitalist is here to make some fucking money and pretty much doesn't give a fuck how he goes about doing it.

HERE

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 9/30/2016 8:11:47 PM   
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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 7:20:02 AM   
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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

But a well regulated free market...would not be. (regulations enforced) Capitalism as practiced in the US since about the 1860's...has not. Thus a culture of greed is created just like a culture of private gun ownership.

So now we get private for-profit prisons the contracting of which, requires a minimum number...of criminals.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 8:25:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

But a well regulated free market...would not be. (regulations enforced) Capitalism as practiced in the US since about the 1860's...has not. Thus a culture of greed is created just like a culture of private gun ownership.

So now we get private for-profit prisons the contracting of which, requires a minimum number...of criminals.


...and in a few cases, we get a judge who starts handing out prison sentences for really minor offenses (which heretofore would not have involved any prison time) because now the judge gets a kick-back from the company running the prison for each person the judge incarcerates.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 9:59:21 AM   
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For- profit prisons.

Oh oh...goodness, political correctness abolishes any need to discuss ideas one more time. How stupid.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 10:02:42 AM   
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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

Actually, if you read anything other than your kool aid package the free market is supposed to be self interested. In being so it has raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system. Now I understand that you can't seem to be competitive and resent not having a nanny state care for you, but that's not really a loss to anyone, is it?

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 10:04:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

But a well regulated free market...would not be. (regulations enforced) Capitalism as practiced in the US since about the 1860's...has not. Thus a culture of greed is created just like a culture of private gun ownership.

So now we get private for-profit prisons the contracting of which, requires a minimum number...of criminals.


...and in a few cases, we get a judge who starts handing out prison sentences for really minor offenses (which heretofore would not have involved any prison time) because now the judge gets a kick-back from the company running the prison for each person the judge incarcerates.

You'll provide citations, of course, that will explain the whole prison system as a fault of private prisons and not people breaking the law. Thanks, I'll look for it.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 10:10:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a reason that private firms have gotten into the prison business, and it has not one fucking thing to do with capitalism.

It has to do with the very simple and very real fact that prisons cost more to build for the state with no way to shed those costs over a large income base.

And since a state has to build a prison using tax revenues, pay staff using tax revenues, and with the growing crime rate nationwide and, unfortunately, the Federally mandated mandatory minimums, there are going to be a lot more people in prisons, citizens do not want to pay increased taxes to build new prisons for inmates.

As for the yearly cost of maintaining an inmate, consider this, under the law, inmates in state prisons are often living better than some folks on the outside.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 10:28:12 AM   
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There is a reason that private firms have gotten into the prison business, and it has not one fucking thing to do with capitalism.

It has to do with the very simple and very real fact that prisons cost more to build for the state with no way to shed those costs over a large income base.

And since a state has to build a prison using tax revenues, pay staff using tax revenues, and with the growing crime rate nationwide and, unfortunately, the Federally mandated mandatory minimums, there are going to be a lot more people in prisons, citizens do not want to pay increased taxes to build new prisons for inmates.

As for the yearly cost of maintaining an inmate, consider this, under the law, inmates in state prisons are often living better than some folks on the outside.

$60,000 for a year is the complaint?

So I'm a druggie. Say I need $30,000 a year for rent, clothes and food. Say I need another $20,000 a year for my habit. How do I get it. I steal it. I fence it for...maybe...ten cents on the dollar. Just right there my $50,000 a year costs society $500,000 a year and that doesn't include the stuff I break in order to get to the stuff I steal. I'd say $60,000 a year to prevent a societal loss of $500,000 is a good bargain.

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 10:41:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can’t be bothered checking the efficacy of zillions of figures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate#United_Kingdom and additional source

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

Good guide
USA 700 per 100 000 of the population. 2.2 million ffs didn’t know America had that many blacks
UK 150 per 100 000 of the population. 100, 000

Seems like USA and Russia are the biggest offenders and a nation of murders, thieves, cut throats and savage darkies.






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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 10:42:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

my initial thought is when one is free (as in "the land of the free") and they muck up and abuse their freedom to the point of harming their fellow citizens by seriously breaking the law, and they are imprisoned or monitored or whatever, that doesn't change the "land of the free" moniker in the least.



Its not what it 'really' means its what people believe it means.

You are correct, however it does not mean free 'from', it means free 'to' by franchise.



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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 10:49:30 AM   
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I can’t be bothered checking the efficacy of zillions of figures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate#United_Kingdom and additional source

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

Good guide
USA 700 per 100 000 of the population. 2.2 million ffs didn’t know America had that many blacks
UK 150 per 100 000 of the population. 100, 000

Seems like USA and Russia are the biggest offenders and a nation of murders, thieves, cut throats and savage darkies.






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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 11:22:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

But a well regulated free market...would not be. (regulations enforced) Capitalism as practiced in the US since about the 1860's...has not. Thus a culture of greed is created just like a culture of private gun ownership.

So now we get private for-profit prisons the contracting of which, requires a minimum number...of criminals.


...and in a few cases, we get a judge who starts handing out prison sentences for really minor offenses (which heretofore would not have involved any prison time) because now the judge gets a kick-back from the company running the prison for each person the judge incarcerates.

You'll provide citations, of course, that will explain the whole prison system as a fault of private prisons and not people breaking the law. Thanks, I'll look for it.



You need look no further than:

http://www.govtslaves.info/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-for-28-years-for-selling-kids-to-the-prison-system/

https://www.mrconservative.com/2013/05/17410-penn-judge-gets-30-year-prison-sentence-for-taking-bribes-from-jails-to-give-kids-life-sentences/


Here's a nice overall view, including info on victims' lawsuits and on an incarcerated kid who committed suicide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 11:33:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Britain wants to take on the American model of privatizing its prison systems. Its presently being snapped up by multimillion-pound global companies who are going to be making a profit per prisoner. Over here it’s a national scandal because for years we’ve looked on at the American prison system as morally repugnant. No other society in history has imprisoned more of its own citizens than the U.S. This isn’t something we should be witnessing in the progressive West.... Its fucked up.


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RE: American Criminal Justice System - 10/1/2016 11:38:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

But a well regulated free market...would not be. (regulations enforced) Capitalism as practiced in the US since about the 1860's...has not. Thus a culture of greed is created just like a culture of private gun ownership.

So now we get private for-profit prisons the contracting of which, requires a minimum number...of criminals.


...and in a few cases, we get a judge who starts handing out prison sentences for really minor offenses (which heretofore would not have involved any prison time) because now the judge gets a kick-back from the company running the prison for each person the judge incarcerates.

You'll provide citations, of course, that will explain the whole prison system as a fault of private prisons and not people breaking the law. Thanks, I'll look for it.



You need look no further than:

http://www.govtslaves.info/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-for-28-years-for-selling-kids-to-the-prison-system/

https://www.mrconservative.com/2013/05/17410-penn-judge-gets-30-year-prison-sentence-for-taking-bribes-from-jails-to-give-kids-life-sentences/


Here's a nice overall view, including info on victims' lawsuits and on an incarcerated kid who committed suicide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal


So, you've got two questionable sources about one instance in which the judge himself was sent to prison. That's it? So you're "few" cases were all from the same scumbag and not from a few scumbags?

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