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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

Actually, if you read anything other than your kool aid package the free market is supposed to be self interested. In being so it has raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system. Now I understand that you can't seem to be competitive and resent not having a nanny state care for you, but that's not really a loss to anyone, is it?

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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

Actually, if you read anything other than your kool aid package the free market is supposed to be self interested. In being so it has raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system. Now I understand that you can't seem to be competitive and resent not having a nanny state care for you, but that's not really a loss to anyone, is it?

It is supposed to be and it even worked for a while but then the corporations got too powerful and the llaisez faire of government keeping out of business doesn't seem to work in reverse. Now we have a serious problem.

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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

Actually, if you read anything other than your kool aid package the free market is supposed to be self interested. In being so it has raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system. Now I understand that you can't seem to be competitive and resent not having a nanny state care for you, but that's not really a loss to anyone, is it?

It is supposed to be and it even worked for a while but then the corporations got too powerful and the llaisez faire of government keeping out of business doesn't seem to work in reverse. Now we have a serious problem.

It's doing what it's supposed to do, the government is not. I'm betting you're a "we want more government" type person. I wonder why you think more will work? I'm betting as much as you've seen Hillary and Bill feed off the system you're still voting for Hillary while you bitch about the broken system.

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Britain wants to take on the American model of privatizing its prison systems. Its presently being snapped up by multimillion-pound global companies who are going to be making a profit per prisoner. Over here it’s a national scandal because for years we’ve looked on at the American prison system as morally repugnant. No other society in history has imprisoned more of its own citizens than the U.S. This isn’t something we should be witnessing in the progressive West.... Its fucked up.

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There is a reason that private firms have gotten into the prison business, and it has not one fucking thing to do with capitalism.

It has to do with the very simple and very real fact that prisons cost more to build for the state with no way to shed those costs over a large income base.

And since a state has to build a prison using tax revenues, pay staff using tax revenues, and with the growing crime rate nationwide and, unfortunately, the Federally mandated mandatory minimums, there are going to be a lot more people in prisons, citizens do not want to pay increased taxes to build new prisons for inmates.

As for the yearly cost of maintaining an inmate, consider this, under the law, inmates in state prisons are often living better than some folks on the outside.

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prison corporation of America.
its a for profit thriving business, all the judges lawyers and legislators invest in it parasites to me and you know I hate the lot of them, and days without ice choclate cream doughnuts and today is not one of those days and I will have to splice that bugger in two and wolf it over days numbering two.

many additional conclusions-inferences- non mad waffles can be hypotenuses (logic-invetibale-singular conclusions) reached and I will number 3
1. Where guns are more prevalent there be more villains, abhorrent villains, and the frying of the innocent
2. he is the product of the sytem
3. the system is a business law does not come into it

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(1) Court Registry Investment System

(A) Unless otherwise ordered, the Court Registry Investment System (CRIS), administered through the Administrative Office of the United States Courts, shall be the investment mechanism authorized.

(B) Under CRIS, monies deposited in each case under subsection (a)(1) will be "pooled" together with those on deposit with the Treasury to the credit of other courts in CRIS and used to purchase Government Account Series securities through the Bureau of Public Debt, which will be held at the Treasury in an account in the name and to the credit of the Director of Administrative Office of the United States Courts, hereby designated custodian for CRIS.

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The Land of the Free punishes or imprisons more of its citizens than any other country. The United States has only 5% of the world's population, yet a full 25% of the world's prisoners.

At 2.5 million, the US has more prisoners than even China does with five times the population of the United States. 8 million Americans (1 in every 31) languish under some form of state monitoring known as "correctional supervision." On top of that, the security and livelihood of over 13 million more has forever been altered by a felony conviction. An estimated 65 million Americans cannot pass a background check.

More of the article and video here.

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Britain wants to take on the American model of privatizing its prison systems. Its presently being snapped up by multimillion-pound global companies who are going to be making a profit per prisoner. Over here it’s a national scandal because for years we’ve looked on at the American prison system as morally repugnant. No other society in history has imprisoned more of its own citizens than the U.S. This isn’t something we should be witnessing in the progressive West.... Its fucked up.

hell yeh! theres a load of money to be made!

Just think you will be like us, those in the justice system will be able to make laws to insure the stocks do great!

What a deal huh?

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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

Actually, if you read anything other than your kool aid package the free market is supposed to be self interested. In being so it has raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system. Now I understand that you can't seem to be competitive and resent not having a nanny state care for you, but that's not really a loss to anyone, is it?

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and they muck up and abuse their freedom to the point of harming their fellow citizens

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and they muck up and abuse their freedom to the point of harming their fellow citizens

By having a joint in their pocket?

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Drug legalizers want you to believe a lie-- that our prisons are filled with marijuana smokers. In fact, the vast majority of drug prisoners are violent criminals, repeat offenders, traffickers, or all of the above.

The idea that our nation's prisons are overflowing with otherwise law abiding people convicted for nothing more than simple possession of marijuana is treated by many as conventional wisdom. But this, in fact, is a myth--an illusion conjured and aggressively perpetuated by drug advocacy groups seeking to relax or abolish America's marijuana laws. In reality, the vast majority of inmates in state and federal prison for marijuana have been found guilty of much more than simple possession. Some were convicted for drug trafficking, some for marijuana possession along with one or more other offenses. And many of those serving time for marijuana pled down to In reality, the vast majority of possession in order to avoid prosecution on much more inmates in state and federal serious charges.

In 1997, the year for which the most recent data are available, just 1.6 percent of the state inmate population were held for offenses involving only marijuana, and less than one percent of all state prisoners (0.7 percent) were incarcerated with marijuana possession as the only charge, according to the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). An even smaller fraction of state prisoners in 1997 who were convicted just for marijuana possession were first time offenders (0.3 percent). The numbers on the federal level tell a similar story. Out of all drug defendants sentenced in federal court for marijuana crimes in 2001, the overwhelming majority were convicted for trafficking, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission. Only 2.3 percent--186 people--received sentences for simple possession

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Myth: Prisons are full of people in for marijuana possession


Fact: About 750,000 people are arrested every year for marijuana offenses in the U.S. There's a lot of variation across states in what happens next. Not all arrests lead to prosecutions, and relatively few people prosecuted and convicted of simple possession end up in jail. Most are fined or are placed into community supervision. About 40,000 inmates of state and federal prison have a current conviction involving marijuana, and about half of them are in for marijuana offenses alone; most of these were involved in distribution. Less than one percent are in for possession alone.

Source: Marijuana Legalization: What Everyone Needs to Know

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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

Actually, if you read anything other than your kool aid package the free market is supposed to be self interested. In being so it has raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system. Now I understand that you can't seem to be competitive and resent not having a nanny state care for you, but that's not really a loss to anyone, is it?

What unmitigated bullshit...

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Pros of capitalism

•Economic freedom helps political freedom. If governments own the means of production and set prices, it invariably leads to a powerful state and creates a large bureaucracy which may extend into other areas of life.

•Efficiency. Firms in a capitalist based society face incentives to be efficient and produce goods which are in demand. These incentives create the pressures to cut costs and avoid waste. State owned firms often tend to be more inefficient (e.g. less willing to get rid of surplus workers and less incentives to try new innovative working practices.)

•Economic growth. With firms and individuals facing incentives to be innovative and work hard this creates a climate of innovation and economic expansion. This helps to increase real GDP and lead to improved living standards. This increased wealth, enables a higher standard of living; in theory, everyone can benefit from this increased wealth, and there is a ‘trickle down effect‘ from rich to poor.

•There are no better alternatives. As Winston Churchill, ‘“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.’ A similar statement could apply to capitalism.

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Our Research Fellow George Ayittey met the Irish rock star Bono in July 2007 during a TED conference. Professor Ayittey was speaking and in knowing that Bono would be in the audience, he explains that “I made a special effort to rip into the foreign aid establishment.... Later, Bono said he liked my speech but did not agree with me that foreign aid is not effective in ending poverty. So I gave him a copy of my book, Africa Unchained: The Blueprint for Development.”...

Just recently drawing upon his Christian faith (and possibly the economics influence of Professor Ayittey?), in a speech at Georgetown University, Bono altered his economic and political views and declared that only capitalism can end poverty.

“Aid is just a stopgap,” he said. “Commerce [and] entrepreneurial capitalism take more people out of poverty than aid. We need Africa to become an economic powerhouse.”...

C.S. Lewis well understood the fallacy and indeed evil of statism in addressing the pains and suffering of our world, and we welcome Bono’s new insights into the matter. And Professor Ayittey’s incisive work can also be found in the Independent Institute book, Making Poor Nations Rich: Entrepreneurship and the Process of Economic Development, edited by Benjamin Powell.

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Yep.... capitalism is a corrupt system because people are greedy and corrupt.

Actually, if you read anything other than your kool aid package the free market is supposed to be self interested. In being so it has raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system. Now I understand that you can't seem to be competitive and resent not having a nanny state care for you, but that's not really a loss to anyone, is it?

What unmitigated bullshit.

You obviously have no clue as to the history of the corporation for just one example. The original 'conservatism' truly regulated yet still allowed a robust 'free' market.

Highlites: By 1873...the corruption was all but a done deal and thanks at the start to Marshall making the courts higher then and unequal over the rule of the people.

[There] is looming up a new and dark power...the enterprises of the country are aggregating vast corporate combinations of unexampled capital, boldly marching, not for economical conquests only, but for political power....The question will arise and arise in your day, though perhaps not fully in mine, which shall rule—wealth or man [sic]; which shall lead—money or intellect; who shall fill public stations, educated and patriotic freemen, or the feudal serfs of corporate capital. Wisconsin’s Supreme Court, Edward G. Ryan said ominously in his 1873 address to the graduating class of the University of Wisconsin Law School.

*Corporations were required to have a clear purpose, to be fulfilled but not exceeded.
*Corporations’ licenses to do business were revocable by the state legislature if they exceeded or did not fulfill their chartered purpose(s).
*The state legislature could revoke a corporation’s charter if it misbehaved.
*The act of incorporation did not relieve corporate management or stockholders/owners of responsibility or liability for corporate acts.
*As a matter of course, corporation officers, directors, or agents couldn’t break the law and avoid punishment by claiming they were “just doing their job” when committing crimes but instead could be held criminally liable for violating the law.
*State (not federal) courts heard cases where corporations or their agents were accused of breaking the law or harming the public.
*Directors of the corporation were required to come from among stockholders.
*Corporations had to have their headquarters and meetings in the state where their principal place of business was located.
*Corporation charters were granted for a specific period of time, such as twenty or thirty years (instead of being granted “in perpetuity,” as is now the practice).
*Corporations were prohibited from owning stock in other corporations, to prevent them from extending their power inappropriately.
*Corporations’ real estate holdings were limited to what was necessary to carry out their specific purpose(s).
*Corporations were prohibited from making any political contributions, direct or indirect.
*Corporations were prohibited from making charitable or civic donations outside of their specific purposes.
*State legislatures could set the rates that some monopoly corporations could charge for their products or services.

*All corporation records and documents were open to the legislature or the state attorney general.16

Similar laws existed in most other states. It is important to understand that tens of thousands of entrepreneurs did business in the early colonies and continue to do so today without being incorporated—the proverbial butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. To do business in America or most of the world does not require a corporate structure—people can run partnerships, individual proprietorships, or simply manufacture and sell products or offer services without any business structure whatsoever other than keeping track of the money for the Internal Revenue Service.

From the 1500s until the 1880s, corporations were considered the artificial creations of their owners and the state legislatures that authorized them. Because they were artificial legal entities, created only and exclusively by the states and referred to in the law as “artificial persons,” they were subject to control by the people of the state in which they were incorporated, who asserted their will through representative government. In American republican democracy, government’s role is to serve the people and protect them from the predations of both foreign and domestic threats to their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. This has historically included control of corporate behavior.

Then the roof started to cave in: In 1819 Chief Justice John Marshall used the power he had given himself and the Supreme Court to alter the states’ power to regulate or dissolve corporations. (Marshall actually restored a corp. charter granted by King George III if you can believe that)

Read my entire link (and only 1 of many available)

When commerce was taken over by large corporate or religious enterprises, however, Madison knew exactly where he stood. In 1817 he wrote, “There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by...corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”

And in a letter to James K. Paulding on March 10, 1827, Madison made absolutely explicit a lifetime of thought on the matter:

Incorporated Companies, with proper limitations and guards, may in particular cases, be useful, but they are at best a necessary evil only. Monopolies and perpetuities are objects of just abhorrence. The former are unjust to the existing, the latter usurpations on the rights of future generations. Is it not strange that the Law which will not permit an individual to bequeath his property to the descendants of his own loins for more than a short and strictly defined term, should authorize an associated few, to entail perpetual and indefeasible appropriations...”

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There is so much more...and look where we are now. Plus the corporation since the 1800's have done nothing like...'raised more people out of poverty by magnitudes than any system.' There was nothing but poverty until FDR created THE NLRB and legally protected collective bargaining which Reagan then set about destroying once and for all.

"vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of ’76 now look to a single and splendid government of an Aristocracy, founded on banking institutions and monied in corporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry" Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William Branch Giles 1825.

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson

Congress on February 8, 1791, in which he mustered his reasons for opposing Alexander Hamilton’s proposal to charter a Bank of the United States. Madison began by stressing that corporations, unlike natural persons, had only the exact measure of rights that was conferred upon them by the state in express terms --in other words, they did not have "inalienable rights" which arose under natural law, like the "people of the United States" invoked at the outset of the Constitution. Moreover, Madison soon made clear that he thought
corporations were "powerful machines" that might well do a great deal of mischief if left unguarded.

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Seems like USA and Russia are the biggest offenders and a nation of murders, thieves, cut throats and savage darkies.