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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 12:41:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		We are not the best predator planet urth has come up with we have existed in this format 200 000 years - a blink of the in terms of time and life, but that is not to say humanity/lizard king have not roamed this earth before - star trek voyager (origins I think) and doctor who covered this.

Dinosaurs were 150 million years worth, we are less than 200 000 years

I think huwmans arrogance makes us the most dangerous of all

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 12:42:15 PM   
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I have often said that humans just enjoy killing each other, going so far as to say it is genetic.

Guess what people?

Science has proven me correct.

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As a species, humans have inherited very violent traits, including the capacity to kill each other, according to a new study from the University of Granada in Spain published in the journal Nature.


Researchers studied murder rates of more than one thousand mammal species and found out that closely related species show similar tendencies. Humans are “particularly violent” thanks to our evolutionary tree. The average murder rate for mammals is of three killings per every 1,000 deaths. Meanwhile, the average murder rate for early humans and the closer primates in the evolutionary tree was of twenty killings per every 1,000 deaths.
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This study is nonsense. It groups human beings with hares and rats when evaluating murder rate and fails to consider human cooperation reducing fatalities through misadventure, starvation or other natural causes. As a species, human beings' intelligence and ability to cooperate reduces deaths due to all of these factors, thus making more individuals available to be murdered over time. Plus it utterly fails to consider life-cycles. Animals which have faster life-cycles and breed at a faster rate than humans will naturally see more deaths due to natural causes over the same time period and thus will suffer a 'lower' murder rate.

This is fucking pseudo-science.

If the study is of murders per 1000 individuals, how does more people being around due to fewer misadventures change a count of acts per 1000 individuals. I'm not sure your argument means anything.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 12:45:41 PM   
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Humans are predators. the best predator nature ever came up with.
Yes, and that's a primary reason why you're alive today. Top of the fucking food chain.


Do they not have sharks in Australia?

Most of the bitching about those from Aussies seems to be from pussies who resent the fact that they're re-entering the food chain a lot nearer to the bottom when they go in the sea...

A $200 bang stick will take care of a great white with the same efficiency that a flint pointed spear used to fell Mastodons.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 12:48:37 PM   
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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 1:42:38 PM   
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Humans are predators. the best predator nature ever came up with.
Yes, and that's a primary reason why you're alive today. Top of the fucking food chain.


Do they not have sharks in Australia?

Most of the bitching about those from Aussies seems to be from pussies who resent the fact that they're re-entering the food chain a lot nearer to the bottom when they go in the sea...

A $200 bang stick will take care of a great white with the same efficiency that a flint pointed spear used to fell Mastodons.


Those don't work very well underwater. Or is that your point? (Not sure what you're getting at with the mastodon thing: all sorts of traps and methods have been suggested that might have been used to kill the things back in the day, rather than just charging them with spears...)

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 1:50:04 PM   
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Humans are predators. the best predator nature ever came up with.
Yes, and that's a primary reason why you're alive today. Top of the fucking food chain.


Do they not have sharks in Australia?

Most of the bitching about those from Aussies seems to be from pussies who resent the fact that they're re-entering the food chain a lot nearer to the bottom when they go in the sea...

A $200 bang stick will take care of a great white with the same efficiency that a flint pointed spear used to fell Mastodons.


Those don't work very well underwater. Or is that your point? (Not sure what you're getting at with the mastodon thing: all sorts of traps and methods have been suggested that might have been used to kill the things back in the day, rather than just charging them with spears...)

There are underwater bang sticks and out of water bang sticks. I'm not sure why you say they don't work well. The point isn't to shoot the shark with lead. When the bang stick goes off next to the skin the exhaust from the charge blows the shark up like a ballon killing it quickly.

As far as man as top of the food chain, it's never been because of strength, speed, teeth or claws. It's always been due to inventions such as a spear or bang stick.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 2:04:17 PM   
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heh you lot started it, and behold the power of a flip flop, which is not as mighty as my sandals, for I am beholden to your errant whims

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37533731
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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 2:08:11 PM   
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Humans are predators. the best predator nature ever came up with.
Yes, and that's a primary reason why you're alive today. Top of the fucking food chain.


Do they not have sharks in Australia?

Most of the bitching about those from Aussies seems to be from pussies who resent the fact that they're re-entering the food chain a lot nearer to the bottom when they go in the sea...

A $200 bang stick will take care of a great white with the same efficiency that a flint pointed spear used to fell Mastodons.


Those don't work very well underwater. Or is that your point? (Not sure what you're getting at with the mastodon thing: all sorts of traps and methods have been suggested that might have been used to kill the things back in the day, rather than just charging them with spears...)

There are underwater bang sticks and out of water bang sticks. I'm not sure why you say they don't work well. The point isn't to shoot the shark with lead. When the bang stick goes off next to the skin the exhaust from the charge blows the shark up like a ballon killing it quickly.

As far as man as top of the food chain, it's never been because of strength, speed, teeth or claws. It's always been due to inventions such as a spear or bang stick.

Which tends to make the case for humanity as the ultimate predator a lot less convincing, sadly.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 3:04:04 PM   
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This is fucking pseudo-science.


I also have that impression. The methodology seems flawed. How can the researchers distinguish between fatalities and murders? A lot of judgments there without benefit of coroners' reports.

Scientists analyzed more than one thousand previous studies that referred to over one thousand different mammal species. They particularly investigated causes of death. Then, the researchers compared the number of fatalities related to murder.

This is a study of studies so there are layers of judgments involved. Not very scientific.

It is hard enough to nail down the genetic causes of physical illnesses let alone of human behaviors. There is a big early experiential component in human behaviors.

Nope. I don't buy the premise of this thread.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 3:13:36 PM   
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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 3:27:04 PM   
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Scientists analyzed more than one thousand previous studies that referred to over one thousand different mammal species. They particularly investigated causes of death. Then, the researchers compared the number of fatalities related to murder.



I think this would be a good example in my 'Pointless Jobs' thread. I've always wondered what companies these scientists work for and who is paying them?

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 3:59:02 PM   
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How would we justify the dresden holocaust?

1/2 million burned alive and melted into the asphalt in 14hours by churchil and eisenhower?


No dumbass that was bomber harris
The death toll was about 25,000 not a half million.

(who were never brought up on charges, and insted promoted)

What was either oif them promoted to?
Churchill was fired about two microseconds after the war was over, eisenhower was supreme allied commander what oculd they promote him to?


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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 4:02:39 PM   
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A $200 bang stick will take care of a great white with the same efficiency that a flint pointed spear used to fell Mastodons.

The pygmies of central africa take elephants with sharp sticks their opinion is that only pussies need a stone point.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 4:18:27 PM   
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Now, you are but a moment in time to me thompsonx and the last glance i gave on here...If i ever see you pull shiitery on here like that again (you have a brain I have caught a few of your words)

If I was you, or almost everyone else, I wouldn't pull it on that one (wtf did you say let me read)

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 5:01:26 PM   
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I have often said that humans just enjoy killing each other, going so far as to say it is genetic.

Guess what people?

Science has proven me correct.

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As a species, humans have inherited very violent traits, including the capacity to kill each other, according to a new study from the University of Granada in Spain published in the journal Nature...

I don't think there's any surprise here. The brain is layered, with newer structures on top of older ones. Our higher order functioning serves to control violent impulses, but the brain isn't fully developed until sometime in a person's twenties, with the highest order control functions developing last, and their development (or not) is mediated by the environment. So I don't think that we are irredeemably violent. I think our cultures are failing to further the full development of our humanity.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 5:05:13 PM   
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I also have that impression. The methodology seems flawed. How can the researchers distinguish between fatalities and murders? A lot of judgments there without benefit of coroners' reports.

Scientists analyzed more than one thousand previous studies that referred to over one thousand different mammal species. They particularly investigated causes of death. Then, the researchers compared the number of fatalities related to murder.

This is a study of studies so there are layers of judgments involved. Not very scientific.

It is hard enough to nail down the genetic causes of physical illnesses let alone of human behaviors. There is a big early experiential component in human behaviors.

Nope. I don't buy the premise of this thread.


That's what's known as a meta-analysis, and in theory the conclusion should be as reliable as those of the individual studies. I don't know how meta-analyses are typically regarded by the scientific community, but they are fairly common, so it's not as if the researchers are just trying to cheese their way into a scientific journal without doing actual work.

However I agree with your conclusion: a statistical comparison of animal behaviors is weak evidence for a genetic predisposition for violence, especially since our lifestyles are so very different from that of any other animal and there are numerous other factors that contribute. We have long lives, and we often reach the end of our natural lifespan without suffering from random natural fatalities thanks to control over fatal diseases, an abundance of food, and basically nonexistent predation. We're a social species and spend our entire lives in close proximity to other people, while at the same time being incredibly diverse and widespread. Then there's our capacity for large-scale warfare...

I don't necessarily doubt that we might have a predisposition towards violence, I just don't think this study is conclusive. Either way though, I don't know why people have to try to extract some deep philosophical or moral meaning from this. We are whatever we are -- understanding what that is doesn't change it, but it does help us address our problems and give us some agency over this bleak future of total extinction that doomsayers love to forecast.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 5:07:46 PM   
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The pygmies of central africa take elephants with sharp sticks their opinion is that only pussies need a stone point.


Remind me not to piss off the pygmies of central Africa.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 5:47:01 PM   
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is what it is and it would appear you are my third named exemption (in my 12 years here with a cok that hungers for glory and body heat to cuddle)…and new comer, the brazen cheek of this hussy, no matter 3 is better than zero..debate rages whether I am an authority to do this, or not, that is the way of the small people, bad stereotypes, stolen existences in one moment in time and mad waffles and their enables of monstrosity itself followed by none of m kind, ever.

But, I am all moments of time – does any one care to disagree with I, and is your first name fuker, followed by an errant stream of shag all reality – I thought not.

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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 5:58:29 PM   
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RE: The human species and violence - 10/2/2016 6:04:36 PM   
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Scientists analyzed more than one thousand previous studies that referred to over one thousand different mammal species. They particularly investigated causes of death. Then, the researchers compared the number of fatalities related to murder.



I think this would be a good example in my 'Pointless Jobs' thread. I've always wondered what companies these scientists work for and who is paying them?


The government gives them grants. They use some of the grant money to take classes from retired government grant issuers to learn how to write a grant application the government will fund. It's a big circle jerk.

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