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Termyn8or -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/5/2016 7:06:07 PM)
I do not disagree with MrR completely. I think there is something but it is nothing like what they tell you in religion. whatever you are at that point your corporeal life is gone, therefore there is no gender, race, religion, first or last name. In other words you will not be seeing Grandpa. But then none of us know. Houdini said he would let us know but we haven't heard back from him yet. T^T

MrRodgers -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/5/2016 7:27:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Kinkroids, when you die, you go to sleep, you do not dream and...you never wake up. Despite your penchant for issuing pronouncements that make you sound like a cranky priest, there is no possible way you could know any such a thing. K. A cranky priest ? Hell, any of them would tell you to if you are a good boy...it's all pussy and roses in heaven.

Edwird -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 12:46:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Dateline: Dark ages. King converts to Christianity on his death bed. When Christianity was a young cult; many were slow to convert until their old age because the supreme unction that forgives all sins can only be performed once. At least that was one of the historic beliefs in the Pauline version of Christianity that became the Roman Catholic Church. In the protestant church I grew up in, Presbyterian, the only unforgiveable sin was, if I remember my catechism right, was continued willful denial of God. But history tells us that the only unforgivable sin for Protestants was not taking as much as you can from society. Oh well. In any case, the last book I read from a British author was from Robert Goddard, that from which a book titled Into the Blue. Among an assortment of various intrigues, back stabbings, trysts, ambitions both long planned and spontaneously obtained, etc. the usual lot, there was within a situation involving a homosexual relationship between some Catholic teacher in England secretly working for the IRA and a Protestant MP in Britain. When things finally came to a head, some high ranking fellow in MI-6 or maybe from the foreign service was called upon by the author to say "hmmm, poovery and popery! Poof > 'poovery' like knife > 'knived.' This is why we must read British fiction. You just can't get that here.

Charles6682 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 1:54:27 AM)
Listen here trash. I have had about enough of your smart ass comments about me. Go f yourself and drive right off the bridge into the Gulf. Your probably some typical Florida white trash living in the woods with your cavemen pals with bedsheets on your face. jackass. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 I didn't think there was such a thing until I read a few verses in the Bible. It is said that God/Jesus will forgive any sin. Yet, in 3 different verses in the Bible, there is a sin that say can not be forgiven. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is claimed to be an unforgivable sin. That did catch my attention because I did say some foolish things about the Spirit before, even though I didn't mean it. They even have on the internet called the Blasphemy challenge, mostly Atheists who want to prove to others that they are true Atheists. I read what the Biblical scholars had to say about this so called sin and realized that I didn't actually commit it. But it did get me to do some thinking. What is it. Does God really forgive all sins? Or is that just a "pie in the sky" fantasy? Of course there's a sin that cannot be forgiven, you fucking cretin. Rejecting forgiveness. Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ~Acts 2:37-38 To unrepentantly reject the Holy Spirit is to reject your own forgiveness, and refusing forgiveness accomplishes the same end. For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions. ~Matthew 6:14-15 Whether you believe that is a separate matter, of course, but even an atheist clam could figure it out. K.

Greta75 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 2:20:10 AM)
Charles, I bet if you ask a few different denominations of churches this question. They will all tell you different answers even though they are the EXPERTS! I have been making fun of the holy spirit all my life, so I guess I am super condemned. I've been to churches where everyone spoken in tongues and went crazy laughing and crying. Claiming the holy spirit is entering them. And I was thinking of someone does that in a catholic church, maybe the priest might think they are possess by evil ha! And need to exorcist them! But what I was taught through my own Christian school is, everything is forgivable after you accept Christ into your heart. And everything is unforgivable no matter how good you are as a person, IF you don't accept Christ in your heart lol. So, my plan is, commit as much sins as possible and then "accept christ into my heart" 1 minute before I die. If it doesn't work, I choose Atheism anyway ha! So I've already chosen Hell.

Charles6682 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 2:20:46 AM)
I grew up in the Christian church. Both of my parents took me to church. I never once remember this so called sin being mentioned at all. Even though I know the Bible is full of contradictions and a lot of Christianity was a religion ripped off from old Pagan religions, its not always easy to just ignore and forget what I was taught when I was younger. When I thought I had committed some so called unforgivable sin, of course the idea that I was doomed for all eternity, no matter what I did from now on, can be a scary thought. Of course, that's when I started to read what secular Biblical scholars has to say and point out the contradictions in the bible. I finally read the proof that the bible really was just written by men. The bible didn't just drop out of the sky.

Charles6682 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 2:22:42 AM)
That sounds like a good plan, lol. Might as well just enjoy life and then on y death bed, all is ok. I try to help people and do the right thing. So, maybe that will county for something. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Charles, I bet if you ask a few different denominations of churches this question. They will all tell you different answers even though they are the EXPERTS! I have been making fun of the holy spirit all my life, so I guess I am super condemned. I've been to churches where everyone spoken in tongues and went crazy laughing and crying. Claiming the holy spirit is entering them. And I was thinking of someone does that in a catholic church, maybe the priest might think they are possess by evil ha! And need to exorcist them! But what I was taught through my own Christian school is, everything is forgivable after you accept Christ into your heart. And everything is unforgivable no matter how good you are as a person, IF you don't accept Christ in your heart lol. So, my plan is, commit as much sins as possible and then "accept christ into my heart" 1 minute before I die.

Greta75 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 2:36:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 I grew up in the Christian church. Both of my parents took me to church. I never once remember this so called sin being mentioned at all. Even though I know the Bible is full of contradictions and a lot of Christianity was a religion ripped off from old Pagan religions, its not always easy to just ignore and forget what I was taught when I was younger. When I thought I had committed some so called unforgivable sin, of course the idea that I was doomed for all eternity, no matter what I did from now on, can be a scary thought. Of course, that's when I started to read what secular Biblical scholars has to say and point out the contradictions in the bible. I finally read the proof that the bible really was just written by men. Well, I stupidly sent to a Christian school, from 7yrs old to 12 yrs old. And the school kept telling me that because I am a buddhist. Me and my whole family is going to hell lol. So I converted to Christianity fearing the hell bit, and then they told me, I need to convince my parents, my siblings, my relatives, everybody to be Christian to, to save them! Which I did. But anyway, my dad is a staunch Atheist and my mom is a staunch Buddhist. I got sent to this stupid school, because, it's a top school that produce results for grades for students. And this is true. Because they expel anybody who has bad grades. So practically, either have good grades or get out is their philosophy. Then at 13, I started doing experiments, like, wishing for things. I do it through praying, and do it through just aimless wishing to the Universe. You know in school, they always tell you, when you pray to God, the answer is either Yes, No, or Maybe lol. That covers everything. But if you practically pray to a freaking ant or a rock or whatever, guess what? THOSE are the answers too! The more I rationalise thing, the more I dislike the Christian God. And I feel like, God basically needs his ass licked to get into heaven! And I don't like licking ass! The consequences may be hell, but oh well, come to point where, if there is hell, so be it. Because ya know, if I embrace Buddhism. Guess what? EVERYBODY is going to hell. EVERYBODY will be brutally tortured anyway lol. Before reincarnation and start life again. The Christian hell is probably just more bad, because they talk about eternal hell. At least with Buddhism, it's temporary hell.

Termyn8or -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 11:00:42 AM)
"Then at 13, I started doing experiments, like, wishing for things. I do it through praying, and do it through just aimless wishing to the Universe. " HA, there is a joke about that. "I prayed and prayed for a bicycle, eventually I just stole one and prayed for forgiveness". T^T

tj444 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 12:38:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne so what religion are you now? I dont believe in (any) religion... Religion (imo) was and still is used to keep people in line and also line the church/religions leaders pockets with people's hard earned cash.. its there money to give to them if they want to but really, they think that giving $$$ and confessing "sins" every week washes away said sins and gets them a ticket to heaven.. and some people have killed in the name of their religion (including "Christians").. my ex-bil & sil were religious hypocrites.. I want no part of all that crap.. if people want to delude themselves, thats up to them, of course..

Edwird -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 1:28:14 PM)
But real uno insists that everyone on the planet has a religion. Because if you don't have a religion, that is a religion too. That's what he was getting at. By that estimation, if you don't think that a kangaroo is going to pop out of your kitchen sink in the next minute, then that is, by his reckoning, a "disbelief," and so then a religion.

PeonForHer -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 1:39:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird But real uno insists that everyone on the planet has a religion. Because if you don't have a religion, that is a religion too. That's what he was getting at. By that estimation, if you don't think that a kangaroo is going to pop out of your kitchen sink in the next minute, then that is, by his reckoning, a "disbelief," and so then a religion. It's common, I think, for people to believe that the minds of their opponents are 'of the same coin, but the flip side of it'. If you don't 'believe in heads', you just must 'believe in tails'. It cannot be possible that you don't have the coin and don't even want it.

thishereboi -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 2:17:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Listen here trash. I have had about enough of your smart ass comments about me. Go f yourself and drive right off the bridge into the Gulf. Your probably some typical Florida white trash living in the woods with your cavemen pals with bedsheets on your face. jackass. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 I didn't think there was such a thing until I read a few verses in the Bible. It is said that God/Jesus will forgive any sin. Yet, in 3 different verses in the Bible, there is a sin that say can not be forgiven. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is claimed to be an unforgivable sin. That did catch my attention because I did say some foolish things about the Spirit before, even though I didn't mean it. They even have on the internet called the Blasphemy challenge, mostly Atheists who want to prove to others that they are true Atheists. I read what the Biblical scholars had to say about this so called sin and realized that I didn't actually commit it. But it did get me to do some thinking. What is it. Does God really forgive all sins? Or is that just a "pie in the sky" fantasy? Of course there's a sin that cannot be forgiven, you fucking cretin. Rejecting forgiveness. Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. ~Acts 2:37-38 To unrepentantly reject the Holy Spirit is to reject your own forgiveness, and refusing forgiveness accomplishes the same end. For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions. ~Matthew 6:14-15 Whether you believe that is a separate matter, of course, but even an atheist clam could figure it out. K. Ouch looks like someone touched a nerve. Perhaps you should go take a nap before you stroke out on us.

Greta75 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/6/2016 10:43:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or HA, there is a joke about that. "I prayed and prayed for a bicycle, eventually I just stole one and prayed for forgiveness". T^T Why didn't I think about that? Accept Jesus into my heart and keep stealing! And then seek forgiveness! Great idea!

thompsonx -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/7/2016 7:15:18 AM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata So as it seems to me, what we are faced with here is either a raving lunatic, comparable (in the words of C.S. Lewis) to man who claims to be a poached egg, or else he is someone whose teachings we might benefit from understanding. Or possibly just another white shoe/sandle hustler too lazy to work and too slow to steal who figured out how to mooch a free meal and hustle sex by spouting platitudes.

thompsonx -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/7/2016 7:19:42 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 Why didn't I think about that? Accept Jesus into my heart and keep stealing! And then seek forgiveness! Great idea! Why did it not cross your mind to stop stealing???Is it congenital or just another one of your nasty habits like lying?

tj444 -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/7/2016 9:28:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird But real uno insists that everyone on the planet has a religion. Because if you don't have a religion, that is a religion too. That's what he was getting at. By that estimation, if you don't think that a kangaroo is going to pop out of your kitchen sink in the next minute, then that is, by his reckoning, a "disbelief," and so then a religion. hmm.. how can doing what i want, believing what I want and not believing what i want be a religion??? I call it free will, following your heart, using common sense, etc..

Termyn8or -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/7/2016 9:40:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird But real uno insists that everyone on the planet has a religion. Because if you don't have a religion, that is a religion too. That's what he was getting at. By that estimation, if you don't think that a kangaroo is going to pop out of your kitchen sink in the next minute, then that is, by his reckoning, a "disbelief," and so then a religion. It's common, I think, for people to believe that the minds of their opponents are 'of the same coin, but the flip side of it'. If you don't 'believe in heads', you just must 'believe in tails'. It cannot be possible that you don't have the coin and don't even want it. Yup, angel or devil take your pick. If you believe like me you are right. Anything else you are wrong. I got proof in the good book. Buncha shit it is. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/7/2016 9:52:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or HA, there is a joke about that. "I prayed and prayed for a bicycle, eventually I just stole one and prayed for forgiveness". T^T Why didn't I think about that? Accept Jesus into my heart and keep stealing! And then seek forgiveness! Great idea! Actually though a joke it does illustrate how those people are. But I have plenty more in the way of personal observation. Some people have the propensity to externalize their put in life. They could invent a new form of energy source and give the credit to god. But when they find out the Chinese have a cheaper alternative (Solyndra for example) they say god did not want it to happen, or was pissed off at them. I don't deny some things. Global warming, there is no way we could bur up all this fossil fuel and how warm the place up. however governments want to make more tax money out o it so fukum. I do not deny that there is some wisdom in the Bible. Of course Leviticus was insane so skip that. What, a Woman wearing silk underwear with a cotton dress on should be stoned ? Well break out the weed then and load the bong. T^T

Edwird -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/7/2016 7:37:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird But real uno insists that everyone on the planet has a religion. Because if you don't have a religion, that is a religion too. That's what he was getting at. By that estimation, if you don't think that a kangaroo is going to pop out of your kitchen sink in the next minute, then that is, by his reckoning, a "disbelief," and so then a religion. hmm.. how can doing what i want, believing what I want and not believing what i want be a religion??? I call it free will, following your heart, using common sense, etc.. What you say there could actually describe some portion of Christians, Jews, and yes, even a number of followers of Mohamed too. I've met them all in everyday life, great people to be acquainted with among them all. To them, the only consideration in the spiritual regard is whether you are with theirs' or not, and this being a normal society, they don't expect homogeneity to their own. They do understand society, and what that means. Don't blame whatever intolerance for 'non-believers' on the entire lot. But in any case I've yet to meet one among them who had real uno's silly interpretation of what is a religion or not.

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