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MrRodgers -> RE: Is there an Unforgivable Sin? (10/12/2016 9:35:10 PM)
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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is claimed to be an unforgivable sin. That did catch my attention because I did say some foolish things about the Spirit before, even though I didn't mean it.
Keep in mind, OP, that unless you are fluent in a scripture's mother tongue, meaning can get lost in translation.
What I say in English can get taken literally or misunderstood in the same language!
This is my broad understanding of the Holy Spirit. Permeating essence of the Life Force.
Native Americans and other indigenous peoples call it the Great Spirit, as evidenced by the workings of Nature.
I have to stick to simplistic terms because we may all interpret the Holy Spirit differently.
In religion, it is the least understood cornerstone of the [Holy] Trinity, God manifested as a Triune Being.
If one believes in nothing else, one can feel the subtle effect of the Holy Spirit within ourselves operating as the human conscience.
IMO, this germ-seed of conscience is inborn within each of us. A sense of right and wrong. If intuition is our sixth sense - based on enhanced instincts - then this would be our seventh.
Even before we fully come of age into the exercise of our own free will, we feel the palpable conviction of the Holy Spirit operating inside of us.
It grows when nurtured and cultivated by our moral compass as guided by others during our childhood, but it is like a gentle breeze or the still, small voice of a whisper.
To grieve the Holy Spirit is to deny the existence of the higher faculty of this innate conscience ....
To have rejected one's conscience so many times throughout one's life, that one has snuffed out what should have been the navigator of one's ship, one's co-pilot, one's comforting guiding light,
... to become amoral and wreak havoc, to cause others to lose their way or to lose their faith.
The repeated acts of mutiny against Self (against oneself as captain of one's own vessel) are the blasphemy, not the mere uttering of words.
It is the willful cutting off of oneself from the lifeline of the Collective. It is not so much unforgivable as it is irreversible damage once reaching critical mass -- the self-imposed point of no return.
-- Lisa
What an excellent post.
I can't even think about what I might disagree with or not, because there is certainly some resonance there.
Regarding the matter of "repeated acts of of mutiny against Self", I wonder if the idolatry of the Greeks, the Romans, the British empire, etc. work to the point of disincentive to go by 'the Self' as a guide. Religion is confusing, because there is so much that resonates with the spirit sometimes, yet so much contradiction to what one actually feels if trying to go by own spirit.
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To have rejected one's conscience so many times throughout one's life, that one has snuffed out what should have been the navigator of one's ship, one's co-pilot, one's comforting guiding light,
... to become amoral and wreak havoc, to cause others to lose their way or to lose their faith.
To those born with such sense of conscience, the issue is trying to keep out the noise. The Mesopotamians, the ancient Greeks, the Romans, the European powers, the Austro-Hungarian empire, the British empire, Russia, the Ottomans, etc, were all about the noise, and so no surprise that their religions were all about the noise. Noise to drown out the conscience, to drown out the Self. The Self that understood community, and the ancient knowledge that serving Self and community were the same, thereby being master of both.
Translation: By far, most ancients were pagan, most Christians before (from 400 AD) and Muslims (from 1258 AD the sacking of Baghdad) of power used [it] for more power. The mongols didn't give a shit to leave in Islam but the Caliphate [it] chose to fight and got wiped out. Math (and science) was the 'devil's' work. And even after the Arabs invented (discovered) algebra. (written in Baghdad about 825 A.D. by the Arab mathematician Mohammed ibn-Musa al-Khowarizmi)
So let your spirits take you where they will. Non of what you have establishes or create an actual regime for an...unforgivable sin and in fact helps to refute the whole concept of sin.
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