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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/10/2016 11:05:12 AM

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Actually Bama, while I advocate very loose restrictions on what you can have in the city, I do advocate restrictions on what you can shoot in the city. I think hollow points should be required. First of all the hurt more, and they don't go through usually, as long as you hit your target.

I traded off my SKS because of that. Takes 7.62 X 39 and they were copper clad and pointy. I thought "I can't shoot this thing in the city, it might kill some kid three streets away". Plus the fact that a blunt round or hollow point does more damage to the thug you want to damage.

The gunophobes/hoplophobes do not understand that this is not fucking around. I'd like to have poison bullets. Some time ago I heard about smearing them with garlic oil and that makes some type of blood poison but I never confirmed it nor tested it.

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Lol. Okay, but seriously, get a MechTec upper conversion for your high capacity handgun. Get a second handgun that uses the same magazines. Put a red dot on the upper and you'll have your concerns addressed.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/10/2016 12:04:01 PM

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In Denmark, Police Training has just been reduced from 4 to 2 years.

The police is paid for and maintained by the state(country)
There is NO police other than the one maintained by the state.
No funny university or private or corporate police corps.

The only ones carrying guns are the police and a few criminals.

In Denmark shootings are uncommon, except among people comming from.outside of Denmark.
People in Denmark arr taught to respect each other, and doesn't find the need to go killing each other.

That's because in Denmark they're too busy making excellent microphones from Brüel & Kjær and DPA, and world class phonograph cartridges from Ortofon, including the most excellent SPU series!

Good old B&K are still around ? I still have one of their oscilloscopes. Actually I have used quite a bit of their gear. It is not really top of the line but it works and seems to pretty accurate. Now I am more into Fluke meters and Tektronix scopes, and now an HP freq counter which I will have to play with and get used to. I was never a big fan of HP equipment but I won't knock it until I've tried it.

I am going to have to see the specs on those mics because I have a real market opportunity in the wings for something like that. I will need a model that will be available for many years, and I mean the exact model, not just something with the same "specs". I need them to be exactly the same because what they plug into will be calibrated. I won't reveal the details out in the open forum because there is no patent and anyone on the planet can read all this.

Whatever happens thanks for the heads up, I thought that B&K were history. If they have what I want and this thing takes off I might send you a few bucks because this could be fairly big.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/10/2016 12:07:36 PM

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In Denmark, Police Training has just been reduced from 4 to 2 years.

The police is paid for and maintained by the state(country)
There is NO police other than the one maintained by the state.
No funny university or private or corporate police corps.

The only ones carrying guns are the police and a few criminals.

In Denmark shootings are uncommon, except among people comming from.outside of Denmark.
People in Denmark arr taught to respect each other, and doesn't find the need to go killing each other.

The population of Denmark is smaller than some individual cities in this country. Until recently it was homogenous. So I guess having the government teach everyone to respect each other just isn't as offensive there as it is to others. Personally, I don't want my government deciding what to teach people.

Actually, while we agree some, this looks like your bad. He did not say the government teaches respect.

Actually that should be taught in the home. You give people the basic human respect, until you find out they don't deserve it. Then they are fair game.

At least that's how it should be.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/10/2016 1:18:34 PM

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In Denmark, Police Training has just been reduced from 4 to 2 years.

The police is paid for and maintained by the state(country)
There is NO police other than the one maintained by the state.
No funny university or private or corporate police corps.

The only ones carrying guns are the police and a few criminals.

In Denmark shootings are uncommon, except among people comming from.outside of Denmark.
People in Denmark arr taught to respect each other, and doesn't find the need to go killing each other.

The population of Denmark is smaller than some individual cities in this country. Until recently it was homogenous. So I guess having the government teach everyone to respect each other just isn't as offensive there as it is to others. Personally, I don't want my government deciding what to teach people.

Why not, public schools do such a great job teaching everything else (sarcasm font off)

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/10/2016 10:35:42 PM

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That's because in Denmark they're too busy making excellent microphones from Brüel & Kjær and DPA, and world class phonograph cartridges from Ortofon, including the most excellent SPU series!

Good old B&K are still around ? I still have one of their oscilloscopes. Actually I have used quite a bit of their gear. It is not really top of the line but it works and seems to pretty accurate. Now I am more into Fluke meters and Tektronix scopes, and now an HP freq counter which I will have to play with and get used to. I was never a big fan of HP equipment but I won't knock it until I've tried it.

I am going to have to see the specs on those mics because I have a real market opportunity in the wings for something like that. I will need a model that will be available for many years, and I mean the exact model, not just something with the same "specs". I need them to be exactly the same because what they plug into will be calibrated. I won't reveal the details out in the open forum because there is no patent and anyone on the planet can read all this.

Whatever happens thanks for the heads up, I thought that B&K were history. If they have what I want and this thing takes off I might send you a few bucks because this could be fairly big. T^T

High back, Termy.

I think B&K are still around. I went to their web site to see if they were still up and running, and went to Wiki to copy/paste the non-English spelling. They've always had a very good reputation for instrumentation or measurement microphones.

I've been out of the sound and live shows biz for some years now (much more live mixing than studio, in any case). I surprised myself in even remembering B&K, since they weren't used in the studio much. It's ironic, one could say, that the measured flattest frequency response microphones were/are hardly used in the studio. They still use a tube-based mic and oftentimes an outboard tube preamp for vocals on almost half what you hear on the radio even today.

There's something about the finesse and nuance of instruments, especially woodwinds, that the flat response mics don't capture quite as well as the classic mics, and nobody can figure out why that is. But for white noise or pink noise measurements, tone generator single frequencies, etc., with the mic going into a scope or a real time analyzer, something like B&K is what you want.

Ribbon mics (no active electronics, unlike the classic or modern condenser mics) are used a lot too. When Al Green retired from singing to be a preacher, he took his RCA 44C (ribbon mic) with him. He brought it out of retirement, along with himself, into the studio in making his latest record.

The same mic used in the late '30s for movies- alive and well in the studio today. The mic preamps of today are much improved, in case you're wondering why modern use of the RCA 44C sounds noticeably better.

I still have a turntable, so my mention of Ortofon might give a hint of what phono cartridge I use, one of them anyway.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/11/2016 4:23:19 AM

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Why not, public schools do such a great job teaching everything else (sarcasm font off)

You were educated in a public school.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/11/2016 4:32:46 AM

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The population of Denmark is smaller than some individual cities in this country.

Why is that relevant?

Personally, I don't want my government deciding what to teach people.

That is beyond stupid.
Whether you recognize it or not you just said that public schools should not exist in amerika.
The schools (both public and private) do teach citizenship and social responsibility as well as the three r's. Why are you against public education? Please be specific.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 10:21:10 AM

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"Whether you recognize it or not you just said that public schools should not exist in amerika. "

I almost have to agree with him. The scores versus worldwide scores are dismal. Their policies are ridiculous. They charged a little girl with a felony for mixing Draino and aluminum foil in a jar in the parking lot. This zero tolerance is bullshit. We need to exert zero tolerance on them. And don't forget "This Is Are Story" where the teachers make a hundred grand a year.

I the old days the townspeople would build a schoolhouse and hire a teacher. Perhaps that is like a "pubic" school but they had control over it. They could fire the teacher and get a new one. Now you can't fire them.

And I think people without kids in school should not have to pay for it. You may say better schools enhance property values but with no kids all that means is more taxes for you, for no reason. Unless you plan on flipping the house. But if you intend to stay you lose. I think Michigan or somewhere stopped using property taxes to fund the schools. Not that anything there is working.

But in the old days when people went to a town meeting and put an ad in the paper (of a city with a university of course) to get a teacher, they were responsible people and wanted their kids to learn. Now, there is a whole subclass of people who simply don't care. The products of public schools that didn't even work then.

I knew how to read and write, as well as basic math before I went to kindergarten. Teacher says "Make an 'A' on the blackboard. I asked "capital or lower case" and she said it doesn't matter so I put up a capital one and she said it was backwards. I retorted "It can't be backwards, it is symmetrical". This is circa 1965, back when we still had industry and a non-fake economy. No wonder it all went downhill.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 1:54:00 PM

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Wow. You knew the word 'symmetrical' and its meaning at 6 yrs. old? I am impressed. Mom said I spoke two or three complete sentences before age one, but I still wasn't reading or mathing before first grade. I did, however, learn how to operate the radio at age six and the turntable (responsibly) at age seven. All us precocious geniuses, here. How come the world isn't ten times better now, like they said it would be in school, just because we showed up? Oh well.

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And I think people without kids in school should not have to pay for it. You may say better schools enhance property values but with no kids all that means is more taxes for you, for no reason.

Kids or no, if the property value and subsequent assessment increases, the property tax increases. Don't beat the brats because of it. Property values can also increase because of 'new and improved!' development nearby, or any number of other reasons besides the brats and their schools. We could avoid taxes all day and night if the only consideration was what considered us directly. We also shouldn't have to pay for Halliburton and Exxon, but there we are. My vote is for the kids.

But the other deal is that society benefits from better educated folk. This, in large part, is why Germany exports almost as much as the US with 27% of the population. It's what economists call "human capital," simplistic, cold, and unattractive as the term may be. Some people yell and scream about how much good the billionaires are doing for the country and how much money the government should be throwing at them, etc., but it's those brats and all the materials science people and customer rep people -from that group- who are going to be doing the job after the rest of us sail into the sunset.

If I care anything at all about conditions in retirement, I don't want to go cheap on the people running the world at that time.

In any case ... in most counties, retired people get a deduction on the property tax bill if they are 65, the amount of deduction being the proportion of the bill otherwise allocated to local education.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 2:32:04 PM

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Wow. You knew the word 'symmetrical' and its meaning at 6 yrs. old? I am impressed. Mom said I spoke two or three complete sentences before age one, but I still wasn't reading or mathing before first grade.

Like Termy, I knew big words like that before I went to proper school.
I knew the differences between equilateral/isosceles/obtuse/scalene triangles and square/oblong/rhomboid shapes.
I could read fluently at the age of 5.
I knew my tables off by heart as well.
I could tell the time (before the age of digital clocks) and also knew the 24hr maritime system.
I could do basic maths too - including long division on paper (no calculators in my day).
When I did start real school, I read the entire school library within 3 weeks.
I started calculus and other supposedly more 'advanced stuff' by the time I started 'big' school at 11.
I was programming computers at age 12.
I also learned how to read punched cards and paper tape without referring to books.
ETA: The first crazy number I learnt off by heart was Pi to 19 decimal places.

I had learnt more "stuff" by the time I was 8/9/10 than most kids these days know when they leave school at 16.

I don't see that as impressive.
That was the norm when I went to school.
These days kids are only taught just enough to pass dumbed-down exams that would be considered 'easy' when I was just 9 years old.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 5:30:47 PM

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I was programming computers at age 12.

Which language?

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 6:29:27 PM

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"Wow. You knew the word 'symmetrical' and its meaning at 6 yrs. old? I am impressed. Mom said I spoke two or three complete sentences before age one, but I still wasn't reading or mathing before first grade."

Also "characteristic" which my Aunt said was a pretty big word. My math was limited though they seem to have gotten used to kids that didn't know the number system. They could only count so high, and we had that too, she says "Count as high as you can" and I said "Are you sure ?". I guess some kids didn't get it about twenties then thirties and so on and then the hundreds and then thousands etc. What, did the memorize the numbers ? If so, I can maybe understand why they are stupid. Memorizing all that used up all their memory.

I am learning some math, I got a deal with a guy who has the degree and I need a little bit better high math skill to be more effective at electronic design. He wants to learn electronics. Well, we have a deal. Get some beer, some paper and a Sharpie and get on with it.

I remember asking a teacher after class if they would teach me long division. I could do multiplication already but nobody ever showed me division. the teacher said "We aren't on that yet". No child left behind back in the late 1960s. I got one of the older kids to show me. I leanred longhand square roots when I was about 25 or so, sitting at the kitchen table with the olman and his best friend who just decided to found out how for no particular reason. The method is in the Machinery Handbook which the olman had and I now have.

One asshole here said, I think to BamaD "You were educated in a public school". Fact is it is damn hard to get an education in a public school. Most don't get one. They might get a diploma they can barely read, but that is not an education. When they give you points for knowing how to write your own name, you are not in the best of schools to say the least.

But I am getting more into what I said before. For guns, fuck the background check, give them an intelligence test. Remember that if you ever shoot someone it can really fuck up your life. Even if it is justified the civil suits from Mammy whose lil boy could never do any wrong will eat you up in lawyer bills.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 6:57:26 PM

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"Wow. You knew the word 'symmetrical' and its meaning at 6 yrs. old? I am impressed. Mom said I spoke two or three complete sentences before age one, but I still wasn't reading or mathing before first grade."

Also "characteristic" which my Aunt said was a pretty big word. My math was limited though they seem to have gotten used to kids that didn't know the number system. They could only count so high, and we had that too, she says "Count as high as you can" and I said "Are you sure ?". I guess some kids didn't get it about twenties then thirties and so on and then the hundreds and then thousands etc. What, did the memorize the numbers ? If so, I can maybe understand why they are stupid. Memorizing all that used up all their memory.

I am learning some math, I got a deal with a guy who has the degree and I need a little bit better high math skill to be more effective at electronic design. He wants to learn electronics. Well, we have a deal. Get some beer, some paper and a Sharpie and get on with it.

I remember asking a teacher after class if they would teach me long division. I could do multiplication already but nobody ever showed me division. the teacher said "We aren't on that yet". No child left behind back in the late 1960s. I got one of the older kids to show me. I leanred longhand square roots when I was about 25 or so, sitting at the kitchen table with the olman and his best friend who just decided to found out how for no particular reason. The method is in the Machinery Handbook which the olman had and I now have.

One asshole here said, I think to BamaD "You were educated in a public school". Fact is it is damn hard to get an education in a public school. Most don't get one. They might get a diploma they can barely read, but that is not an education. When they give you points for knowing how to write your own name, you are not in the best of schools to say the least.

But I am getting more into what I said before. For guns, fuck the background check, give them an intelligence test. Remember that if you ever shoot someone it can really fuck up your life. Even if it is justified the civil suits from Mammy whose lil boy could never do any wrong will eat you up in lawyer bills.

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Yep they said it to me because I came up with a concept they couldn't follow.
When I was in school they didn't have exit exams. If you couldn't do 11th grade work you weren't in the 12th grade.
I lived in one of those backward parts of the country where they still thought you went to school to learn.
A few years later they instituted new math and sight reading, in time for my sister to get them.
To the day she died she couldn't read well nor do math, the only member of our family who had those problems.
My biggest problem in school, even in 2 out of the 3 colleges I went to was that I was bored.
As for guns, my dad was a cop, and a life long gun enthusiast so before I graduated from high school I knew more about guns than just about anyone I knew, and safety was 2nd nature.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 7:21:32 PM

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I was called in to a parent teacher conference because my son asked his teacher (he was in kindergarten ) if he could be excused to go defecate. She said he was trying to disrupt the class

ETA as for guns, my father was a Colonel in the Air Force when he retired and my step-father a MstSgt when he retired.
I grew up on Military bases where guns were part of the uniform. I guess I grew up respecting the uniform, and that included the person wearing it and the gun he/she carried.

I really never knew there was so much conflict around gun ownership until I started reading these message boards. Everyone I grew up with had guns in the house, and I was a teen when I was hunting and fishing.

I was more surprised to see alcohol in people's houses, because that was uncommon for me.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 7:29:29 PM

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"I lived in one of those backward parts of the country where they still thought you went to school to learn. "

How terrible for you. You have not realized your potential as a sickening ultraliberal who thinks 2 + 2 = 645.

"My biggest problem in school, even in 2 out of the 3 colleges I went to was that I was bored. "

I was bored with history and English mainly.

"I knew more about guns than just about anyone I knew, and safety was 2nd nature. "

Actually first nature if you give it some thought. Life and death, a deadly weapon, that sounds like first nature to me.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 7:31:42 PM

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I was called in to a parent teacher conference because my son asked his teacher (he was in kindergarten ) if he could be excused to go defecate. She said he was trying to disrupt the class.

I hope you tore them a new asshole

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 7:45:22 PM

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"Wow. You knew the word 'symmetrical' and its meaning at 6 yrs. old? I am impressed."

Don't be impressed. I learned to read a micrometer or precision calipers at about 11, while most could not read a ruler. And yes I understood my fractions but I KNEW I was missing the ability to do division to figure them out better. And all the time by family I am taught about 0.375 equals 3/8ths and all that, they could not get the long division into me. But they taught me alot of other things. My Uncle, a RADAR tech in the air force and later a tech specialist at IBM gave me my fist electronics books and believe it or not, my second scope, not the first. The first was a seriously old Hickock that it almost took two people to carry and had like a three inch round screen. That was from an insurance guy who was the Father of a friend of mine back then and it is so long ago I don't even remember the details. Later, my Uncle gave me my first triggered scope - a Tektronix 310.

There is another thing that has changed in the US. He gave me two scopes, the next one was a 561A with the good plugins. You could do that back then. When a company upgraded their equipment they could sell the old ones off, give it to the employees or whatever. Now, tax code requires that it be destroyed in some cases. It depends on how they depreciate it.

That's progress.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 8:32:01 PM

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I was called in to a parent teacher conference because my son asked his teacher (he was in kindergarten ) if he could be excused to go defecate. She said he was trying to disrupt the class

ETA as for guns, my father was a Colonel in the Air Force when he retired and my step-father a MstSgt when he retired.
I grew up on Military bases where guns were part of the uniform. I guess I grew up respecting the uniform, and that included the person wearing it and the gun he/she carried.

I really never knew there was so much conflict around gun ownership until I started reading these message boards. Everyone I grew up with had guns in the house, and I was a teen when I was hunting and fishing.

I was more surprised to see alcohol in people's houses, because that was uncommon for me.

Same here, and I grew up before the days of background checks when you could order a gun through the mail and have it delivered to you front door. And when people could leave there doors unlocked.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 10:27:00 PM

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A few years later they instituted new math and sight reading, in time for my sister to get them.

"Sight reading"? That's where you look at the music the teacher just now puts on the chalk board and you have to sing it, or when he/she shoves a piece of music you've never seen before, for your instrument, in front of you and you have to play it right then. They did that in your sister's elementary school?

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To the day she died she couldn't read well nor do math, the only member of our family who had those problems.

I never understood what all this 'new math' thing was about. I seem to only hear gripes about 'new math' from those who know fuckall about math and never could. Math is math.

My youngest brother went from kindergarten where we lived in the south to first grade when they moved to Illinois. He came home after a week and threw his reading book against the wall, saying "they're making me read these stupid baby books!" He got moved to second grade the next week, and still kicked ass in math and reading. "New math" or whatever. He later kicked ass in C++, HTML, Visual Basic, and 2-3 other computer things I cant remember.

"New math" or whatever.

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How do we still have all these Phd math grads, and even post-doc math people, when they all grew up on that destructive "new math"?

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/12/2016 10:42:02 PM

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How terrible for you. You have not realized your potential as a sickening ultraliberal who thinks 2 + 2 = 645.

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I still like you Termy, honestly. But that last one is going well above and beyond the call of duty in somebody demonstrating one's own unmitigated stupidity.

Then again, you have educated the unwashed among us that everybody who teaches at the university, everybody who has ever attended any university, anybody who has cut the grass on university lawns, anybody who has delivered newspapers to the university, etc., are all gut-level communists, and so shall forever be.

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