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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/5/2016 11:17:57 PM   
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She claims to be a 9 year vet in the Royal marines, and still a member.
Sne aslo claims to ave been taught to only shoot at the legs, and of course we all know that there are no major blood vessels in the leg.

Well, there is the femoral artery. But for the record, I still think it would be stupid to make that your aim point. Shoot to kill or don't shoot at all.

I was being sarcastic.
I would shoot to disable.
And as my NG 1st sgt told us, three .45s in the chest tends to be very disabling.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/5/2016 11:32:22 PM   
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I was being sarcastic.
I would shoot to disable.
And as my NG 1st sgt told us, three .45s in the chest tends to be very disabling.

Really? You stop at three?

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/5/2016 11:47:50 PM   
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Why don't we go all Tom Mix here and say you need to shoot the gun out of his hand instead of doing bodily damage? - daily facetious comment.


Oh darn.

I almost anticipated you saying something like "Why don't we go all Tex Mex here and say we all have a good night out."

America; not today what it was 30 years ago, that's for sure.

And nobody even remembers. That's what's sick about it.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/5/2016 11:50:02 PM   
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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 2:44:59 AM   
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Shoot them in the leg my ass, no gun training ever teaches that.

T^T


Obviously not where you are.

That is one of the differences between some countries with short term training periods of a handful of weeks and other countries with minimum training of 2-3 years for police forces.

Effective use of weapons without killing as well as de-escalation of potentially dangerous situations requires brains and long training.



2-3 YEARS to train a cop? Where does the money come from?
Pay a man for three year to not help on the streets?
I find that hard to believe.
How long do they have to sign up for?
Friends of mine tell stories of seeing people being beaten to a pulp for saying agreesive threatening things like what when dealing with German cops.




The money is well paid for training cops that are able to do a proper job. It is a job for lifetime possibly so the money is well invested. They get trained in units called Bereitschaftspolizei which during training periods are used to support regular police units at sports events, demonstrations asf. and regular police units at intervals. It is not a matter of "belief" - get informed.

I guess your "friends" with bad manners did not stop at saying aggressive threatening things ...



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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 2:58:40 AM   
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bamad. what a can or worms I have started.
I said quite clearly I joined a Service when I was 18,
I did not state which Service I am still an Officer in.
It is quite apparent from the replies and in general,
the Americans just love their guns, and their right
to own them.
from some of the stupid replies here, you think
it is good to be able to damage someone else.
SHAME XX

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 3:03:34 AM   
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You're a nurse, ain'tcha?

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 6:27:11 AM   
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Or maybe a nurses aide ?

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 6:32:20 AM   
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Yeah its mandatory for nurses and nurses aids to carry a glock in the UK


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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 8:28:40 AM   
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I was being sarcastic.
I would shoot to disable.
And as my NG 1st sgt told us, three .45s in the chest tends to be very disabling.

Really? You stop at three?

If 3 hollow point ,45s don't stop some one you have a major problem.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 8:30:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Why don't we go all Tom Mix here and say you need to shoot the gun out of his hand instead of doing bodily damage? - daily facetious comment.


Oh darn.

I almost anticipated you saying something like "Why don't we go all Tex Mex here and say we all have a good night out."

America; not today what it was 30 years ago, that's for sure.

And nobody even remembers. That's what's sick about it.


I remember 50 years ago, when it was easier to buy a gun than it is to buy a pack of cigeretts today.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 8:32:08 AM   
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I joined a Service when I was 18 and am still on duty, dear bamad. xx

If you are not a sock why does he treat disagreement with you as a insult to him?

Because he's Arpig.


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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 8:34:09 AM   
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bamad. what a can or worms I have started.
I said quite clearly I joined a Service when I was 18,
I did not state which Service I am still an Officer in.
It is quite apparent from the replies and in general,
the Americans just love their guns, and their right
to own them.
from some of the stupid replies here, you think
it is good to be able to damage someone else.
SHAME XX

I asked how long you had been in the marines, since you said 9 years and did not say you were in any other service, so any missunderstanding is your fault.
I don't think it is great to be able to harm others, I think it is good to be able to keep them from harming me.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 10:53:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I was being sarcastic.
I would shoot to disable.
And as my NG 1st sgt told us, three .45s in the chest tends to be very disabling.

Really? You stop at three?

If 3 hollow point ,45s don't stop some one you have a major problem.


It might not if they did alot of PCP. For those not in the know, PCP is horse painkiller. Horses do not sleep like we do so in some cases vets did surgery on them while they were standing up. Works pretty good on humans and has a pretty wild buzz with it. When on it you can take a chainsaw and cut your arm off and not give it a second thought.

If those three shots don't hit both lungs or the heart, they can do without their liver, kidneys and whatever for quite some time. Also, you know how adrenaline makes you stronger ? Well this shit is like that. that is why they invented hinge cuffs, people were breaking the regular handcuffs on that shit.

Certain people really need to stay away from it, they get violent. I ran with a crowd and nobody had that problem, we knew the risks and exactly what it does. (unlike the prescription drugs the school shooters are on these days) We usually just did it around the house, the party house, though one time we did go to a concert on it. Black and Blue Sunday, I knew every word to every song... But if someone decided to hit me I would laugh. I didn't go down back then anyway and I had been hit hard.

There was a video clip ON TV, NOT THE INTERNET as far as I know on the news showing the cops shooting this big huge Black guy about 10 times in the chest ad he kept coming. For some people it is a very dangerous drug and there is no way to tell which ones. Perhaps it is a certain type of brain chemistry or unresolved mental issues, but that is purre supposition because no research has been done on "Who is OK doing PCP".

We always got the good stuff, like coke, we always got the good stuff. Later I got even better stuff, stolen from an animal husbandry professional. You dip a joint i it then you have to light it with a cigarette not a lighter because it is highly flammable. It came in a little bottle with the cardboard thing in the top so you could put a syringe in it.

Also, there are people who would be very hard to kill with a gun. People who are extremely built, they have a usculature that is so tough that you can hit center mass and only cause a flesh wound. And those people are generally not crippled by pain, they are impelled by it. In those rare cases you have to shoot them in the head, and that requires better aim. Also, there is always the chance that someone you need to shoot is wearing a vest or jacket. Like Gordon Liddy said - federal agents all wear vests so you have to shoot them in the head. He caught a little bit of flack for that for saying it on the radio. (no pun this time)

Just sayin', use those hollow points but make sure they are heavily loaded. None of this low velocity shit. And unfortunately that also means you better hit your target. To miss is to endanger others.

T^T

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 11:56:32 AM   
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Shoot to kill or don't shoot at all.


That would certainly reduce the number of hostile witnesses wouldn't it?

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 12:49:52 PM   
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It might not if they did alot of PCP. For those not in the know, PCP is horse painkiller. Horses do not sleep like we do so in some cases vets did surgery on them while they were standing up. Works pretty good on humans and has a pretty wild buzz with it. When on it you can take a chainsaw and cut your arm off and not give it a second thought.

That's when you shoot somebody in the legs. If PCP has the alarming effects that are sometimes claimed for it, somebody possibly could keep going with a couple of bullets in the belly until they bleed out, but I'd like to see them trying to move (or even stand up) with their knees and/or hips shattered.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 1:22:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I was being sarcastic.
I would shoot to disable.
And as my NG 1st sgt told us, three .45s in the chest tends to be very disabling.

Really? You stop at three?

If 3 hollow point ,45s don't stop some one you have a major problem.


It might not if they did alot of PCP. For those not in the know, PCP is horse painkiller. Horses do not sleep like we do so in some cases vets did surgery on them while they were standing up. Works pretty good on humans and has a pretty wild buzz with it. When on it you can take a chainsaw and cut your arm off and not give it a second thought.

If those three shots don't hit both lungs or the heart, they can do without their liver, kidneys and whatever for quite some time. Also, you know how adrenaline makes you stronger ? Well this shit is like that. that is why they invented hinge cuffs, people were breaking the regular handcuffs on that shit.

Certain people really need to stay away from it, they get violent. I ran with a crowd and nobody had that problem, we knew the risks and exactly what it does. (unlike the prescription drugs the school shooters are on these days) We usually just did it around the house, the party house, though one time we did go to a concert on it. Black and Blue Sunday, I knew every word to every song... But if someone decided to hit me I would laugh. I didn't go down back then anyway and I had been hit hard.

There was a video clip ON TV, NOT THE INTERNET as far as I know on the news showing the cops shooting this big huge Black guy about 10 times in the chest ad he kept coming. For some people it is a very dangerous drug and there is no way to tell which ones. Perhaps it is a certain type of brain chemistry or unresolved mental issues, but that is purre supposition because no research has been done on "Who is OK doing PCP".

We always got the good stuff, like coke, we always got the good stuff. Later I got even better stuff, stolen from an animal husbandry professional. You dip a joint i it then you have to light it with a cigarette not a lighter because it is highly flammable. It came in a little bottle with the cardboard thing in the top so you could put a syringe in it.

Also, there are people who would be very hard to kill with a gun. People who are extremely built, they have a usculature that is so tough that you can hit center mass and only cause a flesh wound. And those people are generally not crippled by pain, they are impelled by it. In those rare cases you have to shoot them in the head, and that requires better aim. Also, there is always the chance that someone you need to shoot is wearing a vest or jacket. Like Gordon Liddy said - federal agents all wear vests so you have to shoot them in the head. He caught a little bit of flack for that for saying it on the radio. (no pun this time)

Just sayin', use those hollow points but make sure they are heavily loaded. None of this low velocity shit. And unfortunately that also means you better hit your target. To miss is to endanger others.

T^T

I saw the same thing on the news. It was more like 20 rounds.
I use full powered hornady critical defense.
And when I shoot at twenty paces, an etreme range for a gunfight, I don't miss.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 1:42:35 PM   
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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 2:12:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
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Shoot them in the leg my ass, no gun training ever teaches that.

T^T


Obviously not where you are.

That is one of the differences between some countries with short term training periods of a handful of weeks and other countries with minimum training of 2-3 years for police forces.

Effective use of weapons without killing as well as de-escalation of potentially dangerous situations requires brains and long training.



2-3 YEARS to train a cop? Where does the money come from?
Pay a man for three year to not help on the streets?
I find that hard to believe.
How long do they have to sign up for?
Friends of mine tell stories of seeing people being beaten to a pulp for saying agreesive threatening things like what when dealing with German cops.




The money is well paid for training cops that are able to do a proper job. It is a job for lifetime possibly so the money is well invested. They get trained in units called Bereitschaftspolizei which during training periods are used to support regular police units at sports events, demonstrations asf. and regular police units at intervals. It is not a matter of "belief" - get informed.

I guess your "friends" with bad manners did not stop at saying aggressive threatening things ...




Our cops train from the day they join up till they retire.

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RE: GUNS AND THE USA. HA HA - 10/6/2016 3:49:34 PM   
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bamad. what a can or worms I have started.
I said quite clearly I joined a Service when I was 18,
I did not state which Service I am still an Officer in.
It is quite apparent from the replies and in general,
the Americans just love their guns, and their right
to own them.
from some of the stupid replies here, you think
it is good to be able to damage someone else.
SHAME XX



Well, actually, some others here in the US have started to wonder how the education system in the UK has gone so downhill as to produce blabberheads such as you.

You have never stated anything 'clearly,' not even close to it.

We're starting to get worried, here.




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