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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 1:46:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greta, I really admire how forthright you are in the forums, but trying to sugar-coat Donald Trump's abusive behaviour towards women is just getting a bit forced.

Grabbing women who know that they cannot really speak up about it without bringing the mother of all shit-storms down on their heads is not excusable behaviour, even if other men have done worse.

The guy is a creep who thinks he can get away with anything (and he probably can).

People need to say that it's not okay or they are just excusing abusive behaviour.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 1:58:10 AM   
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Greta, I really admire how forthright you are in the forums, but trying to sugar-coat Donald Trump's abusive behaviour towards women is just getting a bit forced.

Grabbing women who know that they cannot really speak up about it without bringing the mother of all shit-storms down on their heads is not excusable behaviour, even if other men have done worse.

The guy is a creep who thinks he can get away with anything (and he probably can).

People need to say that it's not okay or they are just excusing abusive behaviour.


I am personally not getting that from Trump. I certainly do not consider him a sex predator, but just a normal guy who always tries his luck. If we are all gonna pretend, Trump couldn't possibly with his status and wealth, find consensual women, that is being totally dishonest. All it needs is a woman firm refusal and he'll back off too. I don't see him as someone who is a rapist or a molester. But someone who knows that, many women do actually allow more liberties with men of higher status and wealth to get close to them, and he has experienced it. And just saying it as it is.

To me, that is not a sexual predator. A sexual predator is one who continues AFTER you say no.

He quit going after the married woman very fast, when she has no interest. His behaviour when he got off the bus, he asked permission before touching that woman. We all know Trump brags. But end of the day, actions are what matter.

I tell you, that one woman who claim he sexually assaulted her and tried to rape her, who actually filed a lawsuit, prior to this, she was claiming she was gonna vote for Trump. On top of that, her boyfriend was trying to do business with Trump. So she didn't like Trump attention, but probably put up with it, BECAUSE she wanted her boyfriend to get the business deal. When it didn't go through, they sued him. And he settled with them out of court, because, he knew, they were just out to get him just because the deal didn't go through.

And I honestly see nothing wrong in a man saying he will wait until she grows up into an adult, before he tries her luck on her. If only ALL men can have such restraint! We wouldn't have child rapists and molesters in this world!



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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 4:53:28 AM   
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Greta, I really admire how forthright you are in the forums, but trying to sugar-coat Donald Trump's abusive behaviour towards women is just getting a bit forced.

Grabbing women who know that they cannot really speak up about it without bringing the mother of all shit-storms down on their heads is not excusable behaviour, even if other men have done worse.

The guy is a creep who thinks he can get away with anything (and he probably can).

People need to say that it's not okay or they are just excusing abusive behaviour.


I am personally not getting that from Trump. I certainly do not consider him a sex predator, but just a normal guy who always tries his luck. If we are all gonna pretend, Trump couldn't possibly with his status and wealth, find consensual women, that is being totally dishonest. All it needs is a woman firm refusal and he'll back off too. I don't see him as someone who is a rapist or a molester. But someone who knows that, many women do actually allow more liberties with men of higher status and wealth to get close to them, and he has experienced it. And just saying it as it is.

To me, that is not a sexual predator. A sexual predator is one who continues AFTER you say no.

He quit going after the married woman very fast, when she has no interest. His behaviour when he got off the bus, he asked permission before touching that woman. We all know Trump brags. But end of the day, actions are what matter.

I tell you, that one woman who claim he sexually assaulted her and tried to rape her, who actually filed a lawsuit, prior to this, she was claiming she was gonna vote for Trump. On top of that, her boyfriend was trying to do business with Trump. So she didn't like Trump attention, but probably put up with it, BECAUSE she wanted her boyfriend to get the business deal. When it didn't go through, they sued him. And he settled with them out of court, because, he knew, they were just out to get him just because the deal didn't go through.

And I honestly see nothing wrong in a man saying he will wait until she grows up into an adult, before he tries her luck on her. If only ALL men can have such restraint! We wouldn't have child rapists and molesters in this world!



I know what you are trying to say, but I still think you're trying a bit too hard to defend the indefensible.

Even the way you tell it (and you like Donald Trump) that story just screams abuse.

Even if it went down the way you describe it, it's not okay for someone to feel that she had to put up with someone's sexual attention and touching, because her boyfriend needed a business deal. It's not a wise move to put up with sexual abuse so that your boyfriend can make a living, but it's no better than a landlord thinking he can grope his tenant's wife because he "owns" them.

She may have been naive and feel that she let herself down in some way, but the abuse is still down to the abuser. It doesn't matter what you wear, where you were or why you were there, abuse is still abuse. Why should someone have to put up with that behaviour to make a living?

Have we come nowhere in terms of women's rights in the last 100 years?

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 5:25:31 AM   
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Even to put up with someone's sexual attention and touching, because her boyfriend needed a business deal. It's not a wise move to put up with sexual abuse so that your boyfriend can make a living, but it's no better than a landlord thinking he can grope his tenant's wife because he "owns" them.

And I am blaming her for doing that! Because I have no respect for women who uses sexuality to get business and then turn it around and scream sexual harrassment after the business deal failed.

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She may have been naive and feel that she let herself down in some way, but the abuse is still down to the abuser.

This isn't slavery. She has FULL CHOICE not to participate in this! I can't remember was it 15 months or 15 years!!!! Her BF brought her to every of their business meetings because he knows Trump fancies her.

Like that woman. I am disgusted with her for going through with it. She should dump her stupid BF. Her BF practically whored her to Trump and she participated in it.

No sympathy for her at all.

Anyway, lately, I've come to getting more and more women who actually blatantly use sex to get business deals. Big deals. So I am getting less impressed by all their "victimizing" claims.
Because if it goes through. It's big money for them. Their bosses know they are doing it. Their bosses don't care.

Like if you are wearing a skirt so short, where you can't even bend without flashing to a business client meeting, or you are showing serious cleavage, like, I just roll my eyes. I don't care if it's an off day. But when it's business and when you are meeting clients, and you are showing off full assets. WHAT's going on?

End of the day, unless they blatantly told the guy NO, and he forces himself upon her. Then I think the guy is guilty. Most guys will try their luck, especially in business settings, if you are using your sexuality to sweeten him up. It's whether they will back off, or get more aggressive.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 5:36:36 AM   
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so now every accuser is a gold digger.
Ok gottit,
Let it be known that all womens claims of being assaulted by rich men are specious?
Does that cover bills accusers????
Try going to twitter and check out...#nextfemalevictim




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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 5:55:02 AM   
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ooooooooh my fucking god.
so now every accuser is a gold digger.
Ok gottit,
Let it be known that all womens claims of being assaulted by rich men are specious?
Does that cover bills accusers????
Try going to twitter and check out...#nextfemalevictim

In this specific scenerio. IF they had got the business deal. You can be sure, there would be no sexual harrassment lawsuit.
Let's not compare this with real sexual harrassment cases where the woman got nothing to gain and was just innocently there.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 6:08:39 AM   
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End of the day, unless they blatantly told the guy NO, and he forces himself upon her. Then I think the guy is guilty. Most guys will try their luck, especially in business settings, if you are using your sexuality to sweeten him up. It's whether they will back off, or get more aggressive.


I've taken out all of the most contentious stuff you said so that I can concentrate on this seemingly innocuous statement at the end.

"Most guys will try their luck, especially in business settings, if you are using your sexuality to sweeten him up."

So you think that guys trying their luck in the work place is okay?

That's called sexual harassment, even if a woman is chatting me up and wearing a top down to their belly button. If I "try my luck" in a business setting I expect to be reported if I am the boss, prosecuted if I am the employer, thrown out if I am a contractor and disciplined if I am an employee.

Someone should not have to "blatantly say NO" when they are groped, and then forget about the groping, thankful that the groper didn't keep going and abuse them further? Frankly unless a woman acts first and grabbed the man's crotch herself, whatever she was wearing and however "nice" she was being to the man does not justify a physical sexual response from him. Oh and for the avoidance of doubt she still has the right to say no after she gropes him. It's just that if she gropes him first then may find herself accused of sexual assault.

If you do not know how to behave when you are a man in a position of power and use it to try to get sexual favours in the workplace or another "business" setting, then you cannot expect respect.

Plenty of men may do it, not just Donald Trump. At its best it's sleazy and at its worst it's criminal. No matter what the woman does.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 6:19:11 AM   
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ooooooooh my fucking god.
so now every accuser is a gold digger.
Ok gottit,
Let it be known that all womens claims of being assaulted by rich men are specious?
Does that cover bills accusers????
Try going to twitter and check out...#nextfemalevictim

In this specific scenerio. IF they had got the business deal. You can be sure, there would be no sexual harrassment lawsuit.
Let's not compare this with real sexual harrassment cases where the woman got nothing to gain and was just innocently there.

Jill harth is not his only accuser
fucking idiotic bitch

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 6:22:25 AM   
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ooooooooh my fucking god.
so now every accuser is a gold digger.
Ok gottit,
Let it be known that all womens claims of being assaulted by rich men are specious?
Does that cover bills accusers????
Try going to twitter and check out...#nextfemalevictim

In this specific scenerio. IF they had got the business deal. You can be sure, there would be no sexual harrassment lawsuit.
Let's not compare this with real sexual harrassment cases where the woman got nothing to gain and was just innocently there.


Really?

Greta, you as an individual may have less sympathy for someone who was touched up and then went on to get the deal, especially if you think that they put up with the harassment to get the deal. And you are right, someone might very well stay quite so that they could make a living.

I hate the thought of people staying quite about these things because it is in their best interest. Is it any less assault if I am beaten up by the Mafia but decide that I am going to stay quite because I want to be able to keep my business open?

It doesn't matter whether you are looking for a contract or dressed in an overtly sexual manner. It's still harassment. It would be a better world if people felt they didn't have to put up with this behaviour to make a living, but silence doesn't mean something is okay.

Harassment is still harassment. No man should do it, even if he can get away with it.






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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 6:46:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pussy groping, better than dopping! We all do if we're male and hetrosexual we all do it, its natural. If the ladies like attention and are feeling the heat is on then like pussies they will purr and legs will open, don't be doppin.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 6:59:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		@Longwayhome stated: "...
Harassment is still harassment. No man should do it, even if he can get away with it..."

Not to b e contentious, I agree with your points. I do believe, however, that it should read:

Noone, should get away with sexually harassing another person. I get that in context you were discussing the situation regarding Trump, so again I'm not nitpicking. I simply wanted to make the point that it is wrong. Period.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 7:13:47 AM   
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Noone, should get away with sexually harassing another person. I get that in context you were discussing the situation regarding Trump, so again I'm not nitpicking. I simply wanted to make the point that it is wrong. Period.


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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 7:15:14 AM   
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Pussy groping, better than dopping! We all do if we're male and hetrosexual we all do it, its natural. If the ladies like attention and are feeling the heat is on then like pussies they will purr and legs will open, don't be doppin.


If the ladies like it, and give you consent, grope away, otherwise, DONT.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 7:25:01 AM   
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@Longwayhome stated: "...
Harassment is still harassment. No man should do it, even if he can get away with it..."

Not to b e contentious, I agree with your points. I do believe, however, that it should read:

Noone, should get away with sexually harassing another person. I get that in context you were discussing the situation regarding Trump, so again I'm not nitpicking. I simply wanted to make the point that it is wrong. Period.


I have no problem with that and you are entirely correct.

Other things I said were less gendered but I wrote it that way because of the context. It had been implied that if a woman dressed and acted in a certain way then somehow a man's actions were therefore justifiable. That is a more gendered type of prejudice. The fact however that nobody of either gender should have to put up with harassment is well made.

In many ways my main point isn't about Trump at all. This kind of misuse of privilege, power and celebrity is not confined to him in any way.

I am just shocked at how far some people will go to justify or excuse what amounts to harassment because they support someone politically.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 7:39:36 AM   
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I am just shocked at how far some people will go to justify or excuse what amounts to harassment because they support someone politically[/quote]

Especially since the abuse and misuse of power (politically) is what; to the best of my incomprehension, made Trump attractive as a candidate in the first place. Not that I fully understand this strange and surreal situation, but for a while I think people saw him as the anti-politician. Someone who wasn't just talking sound bites. I've always found the man disgusting, but I do recognize that people are tired and distrusting of politicians and their regurgitation of what they think voters want to hear.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 8:21:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		fucking idiotic bitch still laughing at that one - malady can be harsh at times hehe and it is always good to smile.

I once dated a women who was raped - that was an absolute nightmare for me - the damage to her resonated through me and that was 30 years ago, I still here/feel the echoes and that is me, not her. i dated a lot pre21 I don't doubt for a second she was the only one, or the only one who had been abused/violated by man - I don't doubt for second either it happens to men, just not quite in those numbers. And that explains why I go off on one when I see things like stolen pictures, pretence, stolen ids stertpye advice-bad kind. No person should have that right - but it get complicated after that - I forget the thread title - what was it about again rape - yes and its recent thread.

As for creature (Trump) - I did a few threads on this one. Do I believe he is guilty of what the alleged alligators (women-victims -they are no predators imo and you are not helping matters greta75 99% of the time that figures is far too high) said. Yes. And I have said why and explained why. And he is surrounded by enablers - think certain other sites message board owners

Abuse is endemic in many countries/cultures not to mention religions - and I don't like to see anything on message boards condoning that instinct (this will explain my existence further- and do you know the wrath I have incurred over the epochs for that stance)(its probably not you b there is always some prick who sets me off skankhunt42 - actually I laughed at that one- i liked the end of episode one i cant find that clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Ya4BTi01k)

In the UK the last few years they have did a "witch Hunt" and unearthed people like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile rolf harris etc and allegedly pillored cliffs Richards good name

I am not blaming just men for this.

What break my heart the most is when I see someone abused or vulnerable and I know they are seeking an abusive destructive relationship and are often surrounded by, or surround themselves, by enablers-predators- I know most of those two types find there ways to bdsm/lieftyle websites

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 8:32:02 AM   
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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 8:38:30 AM   
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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 10:03:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I think of the effects on people I care for, including at least two female members of my close family, which have lasted many years and in one case resurfaced in the most distressing ways, it is just impossible to wave all this stuff away lightly.

Not everyone can speak, and even when they do, they are not always heard. Silence is not the absence of harm.

People are real, not just internet usernames, news stories or political pawns. It's all too easy for us to forget that.

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RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments - 10/13/2016 10:28:02 AM   
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There are two genders, they are biologically determined and the only grey area involves the rare individuals who are intersexed as a consequence of chromosome abnormalities.

Well, it's a relief to have that settled.
I'm here to help, DC. Slicing and dicing utter nonsense is something of a hobby.


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