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longwayhome -> RE: Trump's pussy-groping comments (10/13/2016 7:41:12 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Is it any less assault if I am beaten up by the Mafia but decide that I am going to stay quite because I want to be able to keep my business open?
A women using sexuality to influence the outcome a deal, is totally different from your scenario. Do you seek to get beat up to influence the outcome of Mafia leaving your business alone?
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It doesn't matter whether you are looking for a contract or dressed in an overtly sexual manner. It's still harassment. It would be a better world if people felt they didn't have to put up with this behaviour to make a living, but silence doesn't mean something is okay.
Harassment is still harassment. No man should do it, even if he can get away with it.
It amazes me how so many women can get away with sexual harassment. I mean if you go on a business meeting with your boobs falling out, and your cunt on show. And get nice, friendly and flirty. And then scream sexual harassment, when the deal doesn't go through, it is 100% the man's fault? Feels like entrapment. It's like a trap for guys.
Smart ones knows to keep his hands to himself and not get tangled up in all that shit. But there are also alot of not so smart ones.
Woah, woah, woah.
You are really quoting me right out of context here.
I know you love Trump. I'm not trying to talk you out of that. I'm not even trying to suggest that he has or has not done anything specific, apart from being sleazy, which he is.
I took issue with what you said about how a man might behave in a business or work setting. You described your understanding of a situation you said Trump had been in. I did not raise it or even know about it. I didn't comment directly on the alleged incident but on how you described it, and the excuses you seemed to be making for men in such situations.
The point I made (which I stand by) is that nobody should have to put up with sexual attention and touching in order to make a living. Being flirty does not excuse harassment. You seemed to be suggesting that a woman who is dressed in a certain way is asking for it. That is a really slippery slope.
Now you have raised the stakes and are talking about women with "boobs falling out" and their "cunt on show".
It's all getting a bit hysterical.
Let's be really clear and take your darling Trump right out of the picture. I have accused him of nothing in this situation because I just don't have the details. It is your statements about business settings that I disagreed with.
The person with the power is the one with the money awarding the contract, or the boss or the employer. Using that position to gain sexual gratification in the workplace is an abuse of power.
It doesn't what a woman wears or doesn't wear, or how charming she is being, harassment is still harassment.
"She was asking for it because she was dressed provocatively" is not a defence. If someone can't control their sexual urges and they assault someone, it's still an assault.
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