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thishereboi -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 10:34:00 AM)


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I absolutely dont care if you dont like abortion. you have your right to your opinion. I can disagreee
However when laws are being written ignoring and trampling on a womans rights over her own womb. Thats when its an issue, to be fought.


Did it ever occur to you that someone might not like abortion but still believe it's up to the women carrying the baby to decide if she wants to kill it or not?

Probably. It's a good job nobody has ever forced any woman in America to carry to term a kid she didn't want, isn't it? It'd be a terrible world were than not a purely hypothetical question you're asking.


Where did you ever get the idea that no women has ever been forced to carry a baby to term?




WhoreMods -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 10:34:38 AM)


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I absolutely dont care if you dont like abortion. you have your right to your opinion. I can disagreee
However when laws are being written ignoring and trampling on a womans rights over her own womb. Thats when its an issue, to be fought.


Did it ever occur to you that someone might not like abortion but still believe it's up to the women carrying the baby to decide if she wants to kill it or not?

Probably. It's a good job nobody has ever forced any woman in America to carry to term a kid she didn't want, isn't it? It'd be a terrible world were than not a purely hypothetical question you're asking.


Where did you ever get the idea that no women has ever been forced to carry a baby to term?

It's called sarcasm, dear.
Google it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 11:09:28 AM)


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I absolutely dont care if you dont like abortion. you have your right to your opinion. I can disagreee
However when laws are being written ignoring and trampling on a womans rights over her own womb. Thats when its an issue, to be fought.


Did it ever occur to you that someone might not like abortion but still believe it's up to the women carrying the baby to decide if she wants to kill it or not?

I dont LIKE abortion. AND I BELIEVE iit is up to the mother.Oh you misunderstood...ok let me clarify

You think i meant that i like abortion....no, i dont. Ive never done it.

However, i can totally understand why women do, and I know how hard it is to make a decision that will change your entire existance.

I wish we had perfect education and birth control. We dont. It is up to the individual woman until we do.

Does that help?




Lucylastic -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 11:14:45 AM)


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Oh come off it: do you think somebody with that lack of impulse control and inability to keep his trap shut for ten minutes would be able to notch up more than one murder before he got caught? He'd probably tweet how he disposed of his first victim's body, wouldn't he?



Contrary to myth, most serial killers actually taunt police.

However consider this:

MRI images of the psychopathic and sociopath brains show something remarkable, that being that the most successful business people have the same brain patterns.

Donald's seeming inability to control his bullshit statements is not that he has no self control, it is because he honestly thinks that he is above reproach.

In his way of thinking, he can say or do whatever he wants because he is wealthy, powerful and Donald Trump.

A serial killer is the same way. For whatever reason he has that, in his mind, justifies his killing is as much about the self delusion that he can do it because of who he is as it is about the need to kill.

And when you consider some of the most prolific serial killers in history, you will notice that in disposing of the bodies, they are actually quite careless. The fact that the victims are not discovered until after a number has been accumulated is because nobody was looking for victims.

Jack the Ripper was not only notorious for how he killed but where he left the victims, knowing they would be found. It is also known that of all the letters to London Police, and while many of them were fakes, there were at least two that were clearly from Jack.

A serial killer wants people to know what he is doing, and in many cases why.

It is believed by the FBI that at least 10 serial killers are active in the US at any one time, but unofficially, the number is actually much higher.

Take Trumps need for tweeting, and while, in a different circumstance (that being him a serial killer,) he would very likely boast about his victims but only after it was discovered that he was 'active.' Prior to that, he would be the guy dropping hints to papers, cops etc. trying to get them to understand that there was a killer hunting a specific victim type.

All excellent points. I still find it hard to believe that the cockwomble's narcissism would allow him to brag on social media under a false and untraceable name, rather than his own, though.



Good post Jeff


WM...but he did before the internet, he had a stint as his own pr manager, i cant remember the name off hand, but its out there, with audio[:D]




WhoreMods -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 11:20:15 AM)

*Rushes off to youtube*




jlf1961 -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 12:31:58 PM)


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I think you'll find there might be a bit more to Republicans rejecting him than that.
(Also, dubious that schmoozing with the Clintons when Bill was President makes somebody a lifelong Democrat, particularly when the circus peanut in question started sucking up to Bush II the second Clinton was replaced. That isn't a Democrat, Greta: that's a whore.)

Bush and Clintons are Friends. The Bush are planning to vote for Clintons.
Trump is a registered Democrat all his life. That's a life long Democrat.




Where is a cast iron skillet when you need one (or the forum equivalent there of?)

Greta, the Bush's and Clintons are friends now (if you could call it that) only because, regardless of political ideas, they do have some things in common. (when the fuck did Sarah Palin move to Singapore and change her name?)

The Bush's are planning voting for Clinton not due to friendship but due to the fact that Trump is a fruitcake.

The fact that, for whatever reason, you cannot understand that in this particular race we have a choice between a woman who, technically has done nothing illegal in her life (ethically questionable is not illegal) and Donald Trump who has made a career out of being needlessly cruel, cares little if anything for basic human rights, has a hair temper that could (realistically) result in him getting pissed and proving that Mutually Assured Destruction is not a theory but fact makes me wonder if you have two brain cells that actually talk to each other.

Just because someone has been a republican all their lives does not mean they cannot make the choice to vote for the other party is part of the free voting process, and considering that in the US we have a choice between Hilary and Donald Trump, and not to keep the idiot presently in office kind of places it at, vote for the lesser of two evils.

Unfortunately, US law does not allow for a grass roots write in campaign that actually would amount to anything, and to be honest, anyone that would be the ethical, moral and intelligent choice does not want the job.

A number of republicans have voiced the idea of writing in Pence for president.

However, to take the chance that you are capable of learning something that may actually open your eyes, consider the following:

Trump has a PUBLIC record of doing the most expedient thing to solve a problem, ethics and law be damned.

Given his temper over rides his common sense, do you really want him with his finger on the launch button for the nukes? or in command of the most technically advanced military on the planet?

And, anyone that is too extreme for Glen Beck has got to be bad news.




dcnovice -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 2:10:43 PM)

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Did it ever occur to you that someone might not like abortion but still believe it's up to the women carrying the baby to decide if she wants to kill it or not?

I suspect a fair number of folks fall into this category.




jlf1961 -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 2:34:45 PM)


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And aborting a child, solves a life time of financial headaches and also, headaches on how to manage unwanted children, their emotional development, well being and who pays for their education and upkeep?





While I am opposed to abortion as a means of birth control, this is bullshit.

Considering the growing number of people who want to adopt, and in the case of many in the US, are going out of the country to adopt, this is the epitome of bullshit.

Abortion is the choice of the mother, however (and considering the laws in many states) when a pregnant mother is killed, and the unborn child also dies, many states indict on two counts of murder.

The stupidity of these laws is apparent when a pregnant woman can go get an abortion.

Sorry, but with the availability of birth control, abortion should not be an viable alternative.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 3:19:55 PM)

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Sorry, but with the availability of birth control, abortion should not be an viable alternative.

It doesn't always work. I was on the pill when I got pregnant




dcnovice -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 3:34:26 PM)


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Sorry, but with the availability of birth control, abortion should not be an viable alternative.

It doesn't always work. I was on the pill when I got pregnant

This brought to mind an interesting (imho) observation by a favorite writer:

Yet, as every party to the abortion debate should know, those methods of contraception that are truly safe are not absolutely reliable no matter how reliably they are used. Many women, like myself, have felt free to choose the safest methods because legal abortion is available as a backup to contraception. Anyone who finds that a thoughtless, immoral choice should speak to the orphans of women whose wombs were perforated by Dalkon shields or whose strokes were brought on by high-estrogen birth-control pills.

Barbara Ehrenreich, "Their Dilemma and Mine" in The Worst Years of Our Lives: Irreverent Notes From a Decade of Greed (HarperPerennial, 1991)




dcnovice -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 3:39:27 PM)

FR

Doubling back to the thread topic, some stark words from a Republican strategist:

When we look at where this race is today, the Presidential race is effectively over. Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the 45th President of the United States. Chuck Schumer will be the Majority Leader of the United States Senate. And the only question that's still up in the air is how close the Democrats will come to retaking the House Majority.

What this exposes, though, is much deeper and it goes to the Republican Party as an institution. This, this candidacy, the magnitude of its disgrace to the country is almost impossible, I think, to articulate. But it has exposed the intellectual rot in the Republican Party. It has exposed at a massive level the hypocrisy, the modern day money changers in the tempe like Jerry Falwell Jr.

And so, this party, to go forward and to represent a conservative vision for America, has great soul searching to do. And what we've seen and the danger for all of these candidates is over the course of the last year, these, these candidates who have repeatedly put their party ahead of their country, denying what is so obviously clear to anybody who's watching about his complete and total manifest unfitness for this office.


http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/10/09/steve-schmidt-sobering-harsh-reality-trump-candidacy/




Wayward5oul -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 3:50:57 PM)


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Sorry, but with the availability of birth control, abortion should not be an viable alternative.

It doesn't always work. I was on the pill when I got pregnant

This brought to mind an interesting (imho) observation by a favorite writer:

Yet, as every party to the abortion debate should know, those methods of contraception that are truly safe are not absolutely reliable no matter how reliably they are used. Many women, like myself, have felt free to choose the safest methods because legal abortion is available as a backup to contraception. Anyone who finds that a thoughtless, immoral choice should speak to the orphans of women whose wombs were perforated by Dalkon shields or whose strokes were brought on by high-estrogen birth-control pills.

Barbara Ehrenreich, "Their Dilemma and Mine" in The Worst Years of Our Lives: Irreverent Notes From a Decade of Greed (HarperPerennial, 1991)


Yep. I started getting blood clots at 30 years old. Birth control pills could kill me.




dcnovice -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:01:39 PM)

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Yep. I started getting blood clots at 30 years old. Birth control pills could kill me.

Yuck! Sorry to hear that. Did you have to take Lovenox? I think that's my least favorite drug of all time.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:25:07 PM)


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Yep. I started getting blood clots at 30 years old. Birth control pills could kill me.

Yuck! Sorry to hear that. Did you have to take Lovenox? I think that's my least favorite drug of all time.

I have done Lovenox on and off, and doing aspirin daily since I was 40. I had another clot last year after a minor outpatient surgery, but I am so schooled on clots now the doc let me go home straight out of the ER because I convinced him I could treat myself as well as they could. I had the nurse convinced I was an OR nurse because of the things I was talking about.

My most difficult time was my pregnancy. They were really concerned about clots then, so I had to do heparin shots in the stomach twice a day right up until the day I gave birth. I made a smiley face out of the bruises across my stomach.




Edwird -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:29:39 PM)


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(when the fuck did Sarah Palin move to Singapore and change her name?)



My vote for top parenthetical of the year on collarchat. That is effing funny.




dcnovice -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:33:45 PM)

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I had to do heparin shots in the stomach twice a day right up until the day I gave birth.

Heparin is a close second on my list of least-favorite meds!


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I made a smiley face out of the bruises across my stomach.

Excellent strategy! I may borrow that at some point. :)




jlf1961 -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:36:58 PM)

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Sorry, but with the availability of birth control, abortion should not be an viable alternative.

It doesn't always work. I was on the pill when I got pregnant


If I may be so blunt,

1) Abstinence is a sure fire method of birth control

However, if that is not an option, and considering the advancements in medical science, the rhythm method in conjunction with the pill has proved to be 99.9 percent effective.

So, it boils down to, if you want to have sex, and you get pregnant, well then it was your choice.

I also said that I do not believe the state should have that kind of control over a woman's body, although the hypocrisy of the state charging an individual with two counts of murder or manslaughter when the individual kills a pregnant woman is the epitome of stupidity.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:37:29 PM)


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I had to do heparin shots in the stomach twice a day right up until the day I gave birth.

Heparin is a close second on my list of least-favorite meds!


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I made a smiley face out of the bruises across my stomach.

Excellent strategy! I may borrow that at some point. :)

Yeah, kinda freaks people out if they catch a glimpse of it, lol. It's the little joys in life that gets you through such times.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:41:05 PM)

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although the hypocrisy of the state charging an individual with two counts of murder or manslaughter when the individual kills a pregnant woman is the epitome of stupidity.

I agree.




Edwird -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:47:58 PM)


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Sorry, but with the availability of birth control, abortion should not be an viable alternative.

It doesn't always work. I was on the pill when I got pregnant


If I may be so blunt,

1) Abstinence is a sure fire method of birth control


Vasectomy and tubal ligation are another two methods.

Telling humans or any other animal to go against nature and stop doing what nature impels them to do, OTOH, is not exactly a "sure fire method."




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