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jlf1961 -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/12/2016 4:51:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Yep. I started getting blood clots at 30 years old. Birth control pills could kill me. Give you a real kicker. Many southwestern and meso american native american cultures had a form of chemical birth control that was made from a plant extract. I will have to find the study, but a Harvard OB/GYN researcher got curious when he was a resident at a reservation hospital in the 60's and started researching it. He discovered, that unlike the birth control pills of the day (and every one that followed those) the plant extract had absolutely zero harmful side effects. He also discovered that 'primitive' cultures around the world practiced similar methods with plants in the same family. However, when he approached the FDA to actually try and develop a birth control pill from this particular plant, he was shut down. The reason, in case you are interested, is because the plant in question is also considered a class 1 controlled substance, as is the entire family of plants. The plant is peyote. It seems that for some thousands of years, the 'primitive' heathens of the new world and other places knew how to separate the hallucinogenic compounds from the ones that were harmless and were using it for everything from pain killers to birth control. There is even a similar compound found in cannabis. It tricks the body into not allowing the egg to implant in the uterine wall. Like other drugs of a similar nature, albeit artificial in origin, the use of the compound slows and minimizes periods, prevents the over production of hormones associated with blood clots in women, and in older women, will minimize the problems associated with menopause. However, due to the way the controlled substances act is written, unless the plant has been proven medically beneficial if properly refined prior to being put on the list, it takes an act of congress to remove it from the class one list. While I do not know why these drugs are not used in other countries, I suspect it may be for similar reasons.

thishereboi -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/13/2016 2:06:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I absolutely dont care if you dont like abortion. you have your right to your opinion. I can disagreee However when laws are being written ignoring and trampling on a womans rights over her own womb. Thats when its an issue, to be fought. Did it ever occur to you that someone might not like abortion but still believe it's up to the women carrying the baby to decide if she wants to kill it or not? I dont LIKE abortion. AND I BELIEVE iit is up to the mother.Oh you misunderstood...ok let me clarify You think i meant that i like abortion....no, i dont. Ive never done it. However, i can totally understand why women do, and I know how hard it is to make a decision that will change your entire existance. I wish we had perfect education and birth control. We dont. It is up to the individual woman until we do. Does that help? Honestly I hadn't really thought about whether or not you like abortion and if someone had asked, I would have probably said no. But I agree more education would certainly help.

bounty44 -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/13/2016 4:11:56 AM)
to join in on some of the things lucy was saying---a couple of the hallmarks of libertarianism are the maximization of individual liberty and minimal intrusion into the lives of people by the state. however, much of life consists of solving tensions between competing and conflicting beliefs and values. in this case of the tension between a woman's "choice" and a baby's life, im going to opt on the side of the baby's life the overwhelming majority of the time, especially since babies cannot speak for themselves. its a no brainer. if it takes the state to step in with laws to protect the life of the innocent, I can accept that. one of the great ironies here is, the lefties are okay with government in practically every other aspect of our lives.

Lucylastic -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/13/2016 4:42:20 AM)
That you ignore the womens rights completely, before a potential life is exactly my point. When human and civil rights are concerned you are damn straight it needs to be enshrined in legal law, for the precise reason that you want to control how women live. Get out of womens uteri, because forced birth is the ULTIMATE in government control.

Lucylastic -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/13/2016 4:45:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 And aborting a child, solves a life time of financial headaches and also, headaches on how to manage unwanted children, their emotional development, well being and who pays for their education and upkeep? While I am opposed to abortion as a means of birth control, this is bullshit. Considering the growing number of people who want to adopt, and in the case of many in the US, are going out of the country to adopt, this is the epitome of bullshit. Abortion is the choice of the mother, however (and considering the laws in many states) when a pregnant mother is killed, and the unborn child also dies, many states indict on two counts of murder. The stupidity of these laws is apparent when a pregnant woman can go get an abortion. Sorry, but with the availability of birth control, abortion should not be an viable alternative. Ive had seven pregnancies all on birth control, and one AFTER I had my tubes tied. Sorry its NOT anywhere NEAR perfect.

jlf1961 -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/13/2016 6:34:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Ive had seven pregnancies all on birth control, and one AFTER I had my tubes tied. Sorry its NOT anywhere NEAR perfect. Lucy, consider the following. 1) At present, chemical birth control is primarily artificially produced hormones designed that fool the female body into believing it is already pregnant, thus preventing pregnancy. These drugs have already proven to have harmful side effects, many fatal. 2) Abortion has been proven to have almost as many harmful side effects, albeit a much lower frequency, as the drugs. 3) There is at least one surgical procedure that is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy, as it works for female dogs and cats. 4) Short of divine intervention, abstinence for single women and men is 100% effective. I have also said that I do not believe the state has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. However, the hypocrisy of legalized abortion in countries and states where if a pregnant woman is killed either intentionally or accidentally, the person responsible can be charged with TWO counts of manslaughter or murder. In many states, this is the case even when the fetus is not or could not have survived outside the womb. My problem with abortion as a form of birth control is the fact that it has become so prevalent that there are woman who have had the procedure on repeated occasions.

Lucylastic -> RE: Fascinating List: Republicans Against Trump (10/13/2016 7:12:28 AM)
Abortions are down, suggested drop is by more education and an array of better methods, it will only get better with more of it, by the way, are you talking about tablet abortion or sucking out the fetus? BIG difference. And in your state maternal deaths are rising https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/04/facing-surge-texas-maternal-deaths-researchers-fin/ Ps I had my tubes tied(supposedly 100%) at age 29....It didnt work, I have a ten inch scar because i got pregnant AGAIN. Hormonal changes have since destroyed my insides, I dont get clots, I get cysts and fibroids regularly but I do have PCOS and Endo. I have chronic anemia, and my insides are all scarred, let alone my outsides.

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