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tamaka -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 2:59:44 PM)


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I was just thinking... as much as some men like RM complain, i bet they'd never want to trade places and try to survive in this world as a woman.
Why? Are there women who want to try and trades places with men?

That's been done. Surprisingly, they end up with a vastly different appreciation of men after the fact. Wonder why that is.



Well it really can't be done simply because a woman cannot move herself into a man's body or vice- versa. In many ways women have had to trade places with men because nowadays many woman are the head of household, they hold down jobs with lots of stress and responsibilities, they basically do everything that men used to do plus continue to maintain the teaditional female roles (caretaking of children and elderly parents, maintaining a household...cleaning, cooking, etc)... all while living in a woman's body with alll of the fun that entails.




PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 3:06:06 PM)


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I was just thinking... as much as some men like RM complain, i bet they'd never want to trade places and try to survive in this world as a woman.



Tamaka,

Yes. That's one of those simple and sharp observations that cuts through everything. Well done. ;)

Of course they bloody wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be of the sex that is a third smaller and physically weaker than the other sex. This I concluded when I was about seven years old and, on watching a film in which a man was beating up a woman, asked my mother, 'Why doesn't she fight back?' and got the answer 'Because she's nowhere near as strong as he is.'

I'm a sub male. I enjoy being dominated by a female (well, the right female). But I wouldn't give up being male, ever. I like being as strong as I am. I like my body. And I also like my mind. Being male is *fab*. God no, as much as I might worship the right woman, I still wouldn't want to *be* her. The most beautiful, intelligent, serene and all-round-wonderful woman on the planet wouldn't have the advantages that I know I've got.




Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 3:09:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I was just thinking... as much as some men like RM complain, i bet they'd never want to trade places and try to survive in this world as a woman.
Why? Are there women who want to try and trades places with men?

That's been done. Surprisingly, they end up with a vastly different appreciation of men after the fact. Wonder why that is.



Well it really can't be done simply because a woman cannot move herself into a man's body or vice- versa. In many ways women have had to trade places with men because nowadays many woman are the head of household, they hold down jobs with lots of stress and responsibilities, they basically do everything that men used to do plus continue to maintain the teaditional female roles (caretaking of children and elderly parents, maintaining a household...cleaning, cooking, etc)... all while living in a woman's body with alll of the fun that entails.
Like I said, it's been done: https://youtu.be/Ip7kP_dd6LU

That's about as close as anyone can get. And if living as a man persuades a lesbian feminist that men are human, then I think there's a real probability that most feminists views on men are as appallingly ignorant as hers were.




tamaka -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 3:42:30 PM)


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I was just thinking... as much as some men like RM complain, i bet they'd never want to trade places and try to survive in this world as a woman.



Tamaka,

Yes. That's one of those simple and sharp observations that cuts through everything. Well done. ;)

Of course they bloody wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be of the sex that is a third smaller and physically weaker than the other sex. This I concluded when I was about seven years old and, on watching a film in which a man was beating up a woman, asked my mother, 'Why doesn't she fight back?' and got the answer 'Because she's nowhere near as strong as he is.'

I'm a sub male. I enjoy being dominated by a female (well, the right female). But I wouldn't give up being male, ever. I like being as strong as I am. I like my body. And I also like my mind. Being male is *fab*. God no, as much as I might worship the right woman, I still wouldn't want to *be* her. The most beautiful, intelligent, serene and all-round-wonderful woman on the planet wouldn't have the advantages that I know I've got.


Thanks for the 'Good job' : )

It's not only the weaker body but also the constant hormonal changes (chemical changes) and also the way women's mind to think more circular than linear. Men seem to be able to think in a box and focus more easily and women tend to think more irratic (well what about this and what about that...type of thing). The combination accompanied by stress of having to cope in a world in ways women have never had to cope before is exhausting. I'm not trying to say that life is easy for men, i'm just saying that given the choice, even men who complain about things like RM (and others like him) does, would still not want to trade places.




tamaka -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 3:53:34 PM)

Screwed up the edit thing




tamaka -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 3:58:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I was just thinking... as much as some men like RM complain, i bet they'd never want to trade places and try to survive in this world as a woman.
Why? Are there women who want to try and trades places with men?

That's been done. Surprisingly, they end up with a vastly different appreciation of men after the fact. Wonder why that is.



Well it really can't be done simply because a woman cannot move herself into a man's body or vice- versa. In many ways women have had to trade places with men because nowadays many woman are the head of household, they hold down jobs with lots of stress and responsibilities, they basically do everything that men used to do plus continue to maintain the teaditional female roles (caretaking of children and elderly parents, maintaining a household...cleaning, cooking, etc)... all while living in a woman's body with alll of the fun that entails.
Like I said, it's been done: https://youtu.be/Ip7kP_dd6LU

That's about as close as anyone can get. And if living as a man persuades a lesbian feminist that men are human, then I think there's a real probability that most feminists views on men are as appallingly ignorant as hers were.




Thanks for sharing that link. It was very interesting. I think the most compelling point was about sex being more of a need than a want. I would say that as a woman sex is a need for us too but maybe not as often/regularly as men. I can tell you i went without physical intimacy with a man for over a year and i literally felt like a vampire that hadn't 'fed' in a long time. I was starting to get dark circles under my eyes and looked pale and felt weak. So at least for me as a woman, it is a need too. Beyond the sex... the other key point made was intimacy. I would argue (intellectually not actually argue ; ) ... that that is an individual thing. Personally i have never had much luck being intimate with women. (Opening up about feelings/emotions, etc). I actually find it much easier to talk with men that way than other women. Perhaps that is a key reason why men and women attract to each other... they can be more intimate and open with each other than with others of their own sex. I really don't think that is a gender issue as much as an individual issue. Actually i would go as far as to say men are much more accepting of each other than woman are. Woman love to talk behind each other's back and find fault with each other. They are not an easy bunch to be accepted in... and they love cliques and don't easily accept other members unless they 'Fit'. You would think that stuff would end in high school, but it really doesn't.




longwayhome -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 5:59:52 PM)


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That'll be news to Angela Carter, Sarah Silverman, Nina Conti and Jo Brand.


I like Nina Conti.

Nina Conti with Monkey
Dummy Hypnotises Ventriloquist
Russel Howard's Good News

Just saying.

Monkey gets all the fun (think about it).




respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 8:02:45 PM)

This thread should be renamed "feminism vs equality" *chuckles*




stef -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 8:07:59 PM)

This thread should be renamed "HI, I'm Nicky and I'll always be a whiny babyman."

Then again, all your threads could be named that.




respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 8:16:47 PM)

Hi, I'm Stef, the typical feminist hypocrite that criticises others for complaining while thinking feminists are entitled to complain.

Feminists seem to have a terrible understanding of what equality entails.




heavyblinker -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/18/2016 10:33:09 PM)


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Asian men in general earn more than white men in the western world. Where is the leftist outrage over that? None, because it's not politically correct to do so. That said, I believe that there is a legitimate reason behind it. If only white men weren't on the receiving end of this, the leftists would be out in full force making misconception after misconception to disprove the existence of it.


Are Asian men earning more because other people are being systematically discriminated against?
No?

Okay then.




respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 1:47:43 AM)

An excellent read in regards of that anti male course.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/program-wastes-millions-on-making-little-boys-feel-ashamed/news-story/da426a42c6f5e7a9051dd876dd1c145b




PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 1:49:43 AM)

It's behind a pay-wall.




respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 1:55:53 AM)

It works for me and I pay nothing. Shrugs


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Program wastes millions on making little boys feel ashamed

“All the evidence shows that education is the key to ending the vicious cycle of family violence,” claimed the Victorian Minister for Education James Merlino while launching a new $22.8 million Respectful Relationships curriculum aimed at combating family violence.

The curriculum focuses solely on men as the perpetrators of domestic violence, teaching students that only by challenging male privilege will violence diminish.

No, Minister. That is simply not true.

Over forty years of international research shows school education programmes are not the answer to the problem of family violence, let alone teaching little school boys about white male privilege. What the evidence actually shows is that family violence is not a gender issue. To tackle family violence we need to tell the truth about the violence most children are experiencing in Australian homes which is two-way violence involving both mothers and fathers, violence linked to drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness and poverty.

Peter Miller, professor of Violence Prevention and Addiction Studies at Deakin University has recently reviewed well-designed longitudinal studies which show that key variables in perpetuating violent families include children growing up in homes where they are abused or neglected, or poorly supervised and experience high levels of family conflict.

Ending the vicious cycle of children who mimic parental violence requires targeting these at risk families and teaching violent couples new conflict management skills, as overseas research is showing.

Yet there’s no money for such research in Australia. Here governments and bureaucrats have been totally captured by gender warriors using this important social issue to promote feminist ideology.

Last year Thea Brown, social work professor at Monash University, told Victoria’s royal commission into family violence about the harassment she received when she tried to do research into behaviour change programs for violent men. “It’s an anti-research ideology because research is feared in case it threatens the ideological basis of the program,” Brown told the commission.

The royal commission ignored the evidence of Brown, Peter Miller and other experts who spoke out about the need for domestic violence strategies based on proper evidence-based research.

This nonsensical Respectful Relationships curriculum is in direct response to one of the commission’s recommendations.

“Gender inequity is a part of the picture in many cases, but it is not the only thing. Denying that violence is complex and men and children are victims as well runs against all of the reliable evidence and is simply irresponsible. There’s nothing ‘respectful’ in denying people’s suffering.

Everyone is responsible for reducing violence, and targeting one group of perpetrators over another makes no sense in an intervention called ‘respectful relationships’,” says Miller.

University of Queensland psychology professor Kim Halford, who has conducted research on couple violence, confirms there is no evidence that just focusing upon attitudes can change levels of violence, adding that “programs that only focus upon alleged male power and misogyny as the sources of violence grossly oversimplify a complex problem.”

Parents aren’t mugs. Many are already complaining about the offensive anti-male diatribes in similar programmes being run by White Ribbon in schools all over Australia. “They told us we would be reciting an oath against domestic violence and I assumed we would be involved. But when it came time to do it only the boys were told to stand and recite the oath while the girls remained seated.

Me and my friends just felt embarrassed for them,” the 16-year- old daughter of a friend told her parents.

Let’s hope parents are prepared to take on schools which subject their sons to this vile feminist posturing and put the Victorian government on notice for wasting millions on teaching little boys to be ashamed of themselves instead of addressing the real issues underlying domestic violence.




longwayhome -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 4:56:16 AM)


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To tackle family violence we need to tell the truth about the violence most children are experiencing in Australian homes which is two-way violence involving both mothers and fathers, violence linked to drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness and poverty.

Peter Miller, professor of Violence Prevention and Addiction Studies at Deakin University has recently reviewed well-designed longitudinal studies which show that key variables in perpetuating violent families include children growing up in homes where they are abused or neglected, or poorly supervised and experience high levels of family conflict.

Ending the vicious cycle of children who mimic parental violence requires targeting these at risk families and teaching violent couples new conflict management skills, as overseas research is showing.



No argument with the second two paragraphs.

Bit problem with the first paragraph.

Domestic violence is frequently NOT two way and it may take place in low income households, but Domestic Violence is no respecter of class, income group, respectability or sobriety. This characterisation of domestic violence being a thing that happens in low income families, who abuse drugs and alcohol, where the woman gives as good as she gets is mistaken and prejudiced.

And don't come back to me with sub-standard or biased research on the topic. It simply doesn't fit with most of the research, or my personal experience, as well as that of partners and friends, and the professionals I have worked with, including the Police. There's plenty of domestic violence taking place right now in families with very good incomes in the top ten percentile who have respectable jobs, where the man beats shit out of the woman, being careful not to mark her face.

In numerous court cases the defence of respectability is used. The fact that most domestic violence takes place in low income families is because advanced western societies have more low income families than rich ones.

I am not denying that men can't be the victims of domestic violence or that for some couples there is a problem with two way violence, and I entirely agree with those people getting the support they need. The people you are lambasting as feminists all recognise these facts.

However in denying the true nature of domestic violence, the overwhelming number of female victims and the fact that it respects no social boundaries, you are the one perpetuating myths that make it harder to address the real problem.

I would say shame on you but I suspect you are too far up your own arse to recognise or feel any shame.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 5:32:55 AM)

I get the same as Peon.

"You've reached a subscriber-only article."

Probably because RM is in Oz and we aren't.
Just like we can't view ABC News items because we aren't in the US and the website will only work for IP addy's from the US.



I didn't go much on his profile pic either - it just about sums up his skewed view of the world.
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Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 8:38:27 AM)


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None of them in the same league as Paul Hogan, Kevin Wilson or Barry Humphries, obviously.
No, no they're not. Endless jokes about periods and men get old real quick. And Sarah Silverman is a talentless hack.

However I dare say they're also completely outclassed by Jim Jefferies, Andrew Denton, Carl Barron, Sean Micallef, Tim Minchin, Peter Berner or The Doug Anthony All Stars, as well. (John Clarke too, although he's a bloody Kiwi).

If there's something Australia does well, it's humour - particularly political satire. If British humour ever gets beyond the standard set in "Are you being Served?" with women complaining about their pussy and a bunch of gay innuendo, then one day... maybe... just maybe... they can start to catch up to us.

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maybe you should be asking where the Australian sense of humour went, rather than the feminist one?
Oh, you're just a wee babe in the woods.




Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 8:48:34 AM)


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Bit problem with the first paragraph.

Domestic violence is frequently NOT two way
It's bidirectional approximately 50% of the time.

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and it may take place in low income households, but Domestic Violence is no respecter of class, income group, respectability or sobriety.
So? Because it occurs across all income levels, you somehow magically think that income level is not a factor?

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This characterisation of domestic violence being a thing that happens in low income families, who abuse drugs and alcohol, where the woman gives as good as she gets is mistaken and prejudiced.
Wrong. This characterisation of domestic violence being a thing that men do to women as a consequence of poor education or toxic masculinity is mistaken and prejudiced.

Once again, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

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And don't come back to me with sub-standard or biased research on the topic. It simply doesn't fit with most of the research,
Wrong. It does. It fits with 40 years of research.

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or my personal experience, as well as that of partners and friends,
Look, you fuckwit, YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS STATISTICALLY IRRELEVANT.

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and the professionals I have worked with, including the Police.
The people who implement the gendered anti-male arrest policies? Their experience?

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There's plenty of domestic violence taking place right now in families with very good incomes in the top ten percentile who have respectable jobs, where the man beats shit out of the woman, being careful not to mark her face.
Yes, because domestic violence is all about calculating men who want to beat women on a long-term basis and get away with it.

You're a fucking stereotype, you know that? And you think everyone else is as well.

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In numerous court cases the defence of respectability is used. The fact that most domestic violence takes place in low income families is because advanced western societies have more low income families than rich ones.
No. Domestic violence involves dysfunctional people in dysfunctional relationships, usually with additional stressors such as poverty.

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I am not denying that men can't be the victims of domestic violence or that for some couples there is a problem with two way violence, and I entirely agree with those people getting the support they need. The people you are lambasting as feminists all recognise these facts.
No. They don't. If they did, they wouldn't keep insisting that domestic violence is something which men do to women.

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However in denying the true nature of domestic violence, the overwhelming number of female victims and the fact that it respects no social boundaries, you are the one perpetuating myths that make it harder to address the real problem.
There is not "an overwhelming number of female victims", there's "an overwhelming number of male arrests". Female perpetrators are rarely arrested.

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I would say shame on you but I suspect you are too far up your own arse to recognise or feel any shame.
Shut the fuck up, you ignorant fucking tosser.




longwayhome -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 10:50:34 AM)


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Shut the fuck up, you ignorant fucking tosser.



I never really get the necessity for the tone of your responses.

I entirely understand that you disagree with me (and most of the other posters for that matter) but you way you speak to me and others is both socially unacceptable to most people and completely ineffective at getting your point across. All people remember is your abusive language and sexualised swear words. They have no persuasive effect or impact as insults because they are your "go to" method for responding to everything.

Your permanently dysfunctional ad hominem approach to every argument can't get you very far as the self-confident, in-control alpha male you claim to be. It makes you look brittle, thin-skinned and easily threatened. I thought you were supposed to be a dominant man settled in your own view of the "correct" biological realtionship between the sexes. Why then the barely repressed rage and anger all the time, especially when you claim that none of this matters to you?

The stereotypes exist precisely because there is some truth to them. The mistake is to only see the stereotype and to deny the existence of female violence against men. I do not see anyone on the boards denying the existence of female violence, or suggesting that male victims of violence should not be supported, whoever the perpetrator is. The one really stereotypical characterisation being made is the characterisation of feminists as being man-hating harpies, with anyone who recognises the experience of women or male violence against women being by implication equally as bad, however they label themselves.

I can recognise the role of male violence without being an apologist for female violence, whereas conversely you and RM come across as apologists for male violence.

I was just wondering what your relationship is with RM when anyone in dispute with him attracts your wrath to the extent they do. It almost looks like you're defending a child, or you are puppet-master to his sock. I'm sure that's not true but sometimes you can't help but wonder.




WhoreMods -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/19/2016 10:58:47 AM)


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(John Clarke too, although he's a bloody Kiwi).

So's Tim Minchin.




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