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respectmen -> Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 12:34:34 AM)

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/vic-schools-will-teach-courses-on-male-privilege--/1391d6ce-b546-4b9b-91e0-efedaa2782b2.htm

As always, when it comes from feminism or the left in general, it;s always one fucking sided when it comes to gender issues. What else can you expect from the biggest offenders of the empathy gap?

Here's the real funny part, western women are more privileged than western men for fucks sake. Yet, all that ever gets talked about is male privilege while female privilege remains a taboo subject (you're a misogynist waahhh) and for that it gives the said female privileges immunity .That's a female privilege within it's self.

Me as a male gets taken less seriously when I'm a victim of DV compared to a woman.

Me as a male gets taken less serious when I'm a victim of rape compared to a woman.

Me as a male would get less support compared to a woman if I was homeless.

Men get less government health funding compared to women.

Me as a male would get harsher punishments in the justice system for the same crime compared to a woman.

When it comes to reproductive rights, I have no choices, only responsibilities. Women have choices, even to abandon parenthood altogether.

When women complain about anything, the UN, governments, big money corporations, mainstream media listen to them. When men complain about anything, we get told to shut up and stop whining.

When women fail in life, using patriarchy as a scapegoat will save them from looking like an idiot. When a man fails in life, he's a loser.

Women get judged far less compared to men for things like having no job, not having a car, not having your own house, living with your parents.

People will give up their seat for women.

Women get free shit for being a woman on dates.

Women can get sex any time they want.

The empathy gap is the biggest gender privilege of all privileges and women totally own that.

Women in the western world out privilege men by far. It's absolutely ludicrous to force people to take these anti male bigotry courses while leaving out the most fucking privilege demographic on the planet, western women!



heavyblinker -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 12:58:12 AM)

A lot of the people who are arguing against male privilege are also arguing against everything you just brought up, considering almost everything on your list is a product of the patriarchy (well, the parts of the list that aren't delusions/exaggerations).

But if you ask me, they really need to stop calling it 'privilege' because it isn't helping people to understand what they really mean.




respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:05:12 AM)

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product of the patriarchy


Again, patriarchy being used as a scapegoat. How do you know if things would be any different or better under a matriarchy or neither? You don't! Therefore, patriarchy blaming is nothing more than an assumption, not fact. Not to mention, it's sexist to randomly blame patriarchy on fucking everything that's wrong in the world. But of course, sexism only matters when it's against women.



heavyblinker -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:34:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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product of the patriarchy


Again, patriarchy being used as a scapegoat. How do you know if things would be any different or better under a matriarchy or neither? You don't! Therefore, patriarchy blaming is nothing more than an assumption, not fact. Not to mention, it's sexist to randomly blame patriarchy on fucking everything that's wrong in the world. But of course, sexism only matters when it's against women.


Well, how do you think that all of those oppressive conventions on your list came to be accepted as given?
Did women decide these things?



tweakabelle -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:59:22 AM)

FR

You have a nerve trying to make out that "Australians are outraged over abusive "male privilege"". Australians are NOT outraged. There appears to be a reaction by some people in one State - Victoria. It is highly misleading to claim that "Australians" (without any qualification) either agree with or are a part of this reaction.

Of course truth became a casualty of your personal war against women and feminism a long time ago. Let's be very clear: the overwhelming majority of Aussies want no part of the hatred and division you and your looney Right buddies/thugs are trying to spread. The overwhelming message from most Aussies (as expressed in election after election) to your agenda is 'Stick it in a place where the sun doesn't shine and keep it there", though I suspect most Aussies would prefer the more succinct form of that message - "Get Fucked'.



PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 2:28:26 AM)

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As always, when it comes from feminism or the left in general, it;s always one fucking sided when it comes to gender issues. What else can you expect from the biggest offenders of the empathy gap?


RM, ostensibly this initiative - 'Respectful Relationships' - seems to be about kids learning to be nice to one another, the better to reduce domestic violence in the long term, amongst other things. The basis of that seems to be exactly about increasing empathy. Presumably you don't see it this way and think it's more evidence of a growing misandry?


"Respectful Relationships in schools and early childhoo​d educat​​ion settings is about tac​kling family violence.

The Government is investing $21.8 million over two years to roll out a holistic approach to Respectful Relationships across schools and early childhood services. This approach will support the delivery of respectful relationships education, through the new Victorian Curriculum across all year levels.

This initiative is a significant step toward meeting our Education State targets of reducing the impact of disadvantage on achievement and getting more students to stay in education.

The unacceptably high rates of family violence, in particular violence against women and their children, are well documented. We know that cultural change is necessary and that education can play an integral role in this. Evidence shows that schools and early childhood services can play a powerful role in changing this story for future generations. "

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/about/programs/health/Pages/respectfulrelationships.aspx



Termyn8or -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 2:35:54 AM)

He's not going to stop.

The points he is trying to make have already been made, and yes, some are true. So he wants to rub our nose in it. Why ?

What does he expect ? Adopt something like Islamic law and put the Women in their "place" ? That doesn't work very well and the Muslims are going to find out. Wait until the Women of Islam fight back.

For one, you gotta sleep sometime. For two, they could go on hunger strikes when pregnant and have a bunch of stillborns. Burning bras worked in the US because we kinda like Women, they are a bit more hardheaded there.

The inequities in law and other areas are valid for the most part, but as long as she has the uterus you just can't force her to use it for you. I do agree that you should be given the option to pay though. You see it advertised every once in a while where a couple will pay like $35,000 to have a kid for them. And that is plus all expenses. If she turns that down then fuck someone else because she is stupid. All your bills paid for nine months and then get $35K at the end ? Who would turn that down ? If I had a uterus I would have been doing it every year. Fuck working.

When I hear people like RM bitch about this shit I am reminded of those two basic rules in life :

1. Life is not fair.
2. See rule #1.

Personally I just don't fuck anymore.

T^T



PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 2:40:56 AM)

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Personally I just don't fuck anymore.


Termy, you need to watch those bad edits. [:D]



Termyn8or -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 2:55:13 AM)

Seriously, for a few bucks I can get a blow job.

T^T



PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 3:03:20 AM)

For less than that one can get a melon, make a hole in it and microwave it for a few minutes. Or so I hear.



longwayhome -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 3:30:07 AM)

Did it ever cross your mind, RM, that many of the "privileges" and "inequalities" you highlight are precisely a product of traditional gender roles?

I don't want to be stuck in traditional male roles and am quite willing to "give up" whatever power and "advantage" accrues to me because of that. Things like being paid more than women, having easier access to the political system, taking all the financial responsibility. The flip side of that coin is about sharing things that were traditionally seen as more female, such as full participation in family life, having my emotions taken seriously and not dismissed, taking responsibility for the emotional effect I have on others.

Many of these things have two sides to them. What seems like power or an advantage can also be a responsibility or a burden.

Traditional gender roles seem like a straitjacket or a prison to me, even as a man (and I am supposed to be the one with the "advantages", none of which I have to say I particularly bothered about "losing").

At the end of the day, you would probably say that I am a feminist, because I think that the historical pattern of male power and male/female relationships has stunted and constrained both women [b]and men. However, once you accept that, you have to also accept that some patterns of male/female behaviour are ugly and abusive. Most of all you have to feel comfortable that things will change and that you cannot entirely control that process.

I suppose it was always inevitable that as things change there would be a backlash from groups of men, either unwilling to give up their economic and political power, or frightened by the assertiveness of women in demanding their own rights and equal relationships with men in both the private and public spheres. Others men are more threatened by the challenge to behaviours which they feel they do not engage in personally, but would prefer that women didn't bring up, because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

Which group do you fall into RM?



Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 10:23:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

A lot of the people who are arguing against male privilege are also arguing against everything you just brought up, considering almost everything on your list is a product of the patriarchy
No. It's not. You're a fucking moron.



Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 10:25:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

FR

You have a nerve trying to make out that "Australians are outraged over abusive "male privilege"". Australians are NOT outraged. There appears to be a reaction by some people in one State - Victoria. It is highly misleading to claim that "Australians" (without any qualification) either agree with or are a part of this reaction.
The world doesn't revolve around Sydney you nutty bitch.

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Of course truth became a casualty of your personal war against women and feminism a long time ago. Let's be very clear: the overwhelming majority of Aussies want no part of the hatred and division you and your looney Right buddies/thugs are trying to spread. The overwhelming message from most Aussies (as expressed in election after election) to your agenda is 'Stick it in a place where the sun doesn't shine and keep it there", though I suspect most Aussies would prefer the more succinct form of that message - "Get Fucked'.
No. That's just man-hating feminists who can't get laid. The majority of Aussies aren't interested in your ludicrous fucking identity politics and think you should go and get fucked. Literally. If you got laid you'd be a happier thing.



Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 10:33:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Did it ever cross your mind, RM, that many of the "privileges" and "inequalities" you highlight are precisely a product of traditional gender roles?
Finally a little light begins to dawn, eh?

Keep going down that path, you'll realise that men and women are different and have different privileges. And that anyone whining because they don't have the privileges of the other gender is an entitled loon.

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I don't want to be stuck in traditional male roles and am quite willing to "give up" whatever power and "advantage" accrues to me because of that.
So you're a pussy. Be a pussy all you like but don't expect society to be structured around your weakness.

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Things like being paid more than women,
Men get paid more than women because they work longer hours, work harder, take more risks and die on the job much more often than women do. If you cut your hours, your risks and substitute working conditions for dollars, then congratulations dude - you can realise your goal of being paid like a woman.

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having easier access to the political system,
Women aren't as interested in politics as men are. They're less likely to be leaders because few of them possess the stuff of leadership.

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taking all the financial responsibility.
Oh waaaahhh. Cry me a river.

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The flip side of that coin is about sharing things that were traditionally seen as more female, such as full participation in family life, having my emotions taken seriously and not dismissed, taking responsibility for the emotional effect I have on others.
You want to cry like a bitch and be patted on the head for it. Your desire to become a fucking pet for women is irrelevant to other men. Really.

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Many of these things have two sides to them. What seems like power or an advantage can also be a responsibility or a burden.
Well fucking DUH. Men's so-called privileges come with a crapload of down-side. Of course, men shoulder these burdens because it's what we do. It's just annoying to hear an over-privileged little bitch whine about how she doesn't have all the privileges of men while simultaneously being completely unwilling to shoulder our concomitant responsibilities.

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Traditional gender roles seem like a straitjacket or a prison to me, even as a man (and I am supposed to be the one with the "advantages", none of which I have to say I particularly bothered about "losing").
No, they're an evolutionary success meter. Naturally, those people who are losing will try and pretend it doesn't matter.

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At the end of the day, you would probably say that I am a feminist, because I think that the historical pattern of male power and male/female relationships has stunted and constrained both women [b]and men. However, once you accept that, you have to also accept that some patterns of male/female behaviour are ugly and abusive. Most of all you have to feel comfortable that things will change and that you cannot entirely control that process.
No, I think you're a pussy. Life is tough, get a fucking helmet.



PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 11:03:15 AM)

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man-hating feminists


Yes, there it is again. I knew it couldn't be long. [;)]

You talk about 'man-hating feminists' .... as opposed to your own love of all males, which is to be seen overflowing from you like the summer's sun, in every post that you write? Hmmm? Strewth, old chap. Every feminist here has shown more compassion for men in general than you've *ever* shown, even once, to anybody.

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No, they're an evolutionary success meter. Naturally, those people who are losing will try and pretend it doesn't matter.


Balls. All you ever do here is try to assert yourself for narcissistic and/or sadistic reasons, like any sociopathic troll, while at the same time trying your *absolute damnedest* to convince us all that your lack of empathy and the putrid hatred you show for everybody - females and males alike - is somehow the (essential masculine) virtue.

You are a fruitcake with a major bit missing, Awareness. I'm sorry, but there it is.



respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:03:27 PM)

Just a quicky as on my phone and on my way to work.

Firstly, if you have no evidence, no proof, no basis that patriarchy is to blame for this and that and yet you blame patriarchy anyway, that's men hating.

Blaming patriarchy is just as stupid to blame the person who created guns instead of blaming the other person in the present misusing a gun.

For example, feminists are the biggest offenders of the empathy gap. Feminists are the main ones who procreate it and keep it prevailing. Yet, they will blame patriarchy for it simply bexause they believe men entirely created the empathy gap which is completely unproven.

Why should it matter who created the privileges when women simply have privileges? Why attack little boys about male privilege while not doing the same to girls about female privilege?

Last time I checked, women can be violent too. Why only lecture males?

Can you see how seriously one sided it is? Its very very very one sided yet its coming from a movement that's supposed to be about equality.

What a bunch of fucking bigoted retards.



WhoreMods -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:06:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

Just a quicky as on my phone and on my way to work.

Firstly, if you have no evidence, no prrof, no basis that patriarchy is to blame for this and that and yet you blame patriarchy anyway, that's men hating.

I was at school with Men Hei-Ting.
He wants to know why you hate the Chinese?



respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:40:29 PM)

If such a course was forced to single out girls on how not to be evil people, it would be misogyny, bullying and harrassing girls.

If such a course was forced to single out blacks on how not to be evil people, it would be racist.

If such a course was forced to single out muslims on how not to be evil people, it would be racist, islamophobic, xenophobic.

Waves a magic wand, its all the sudden fine and dandy, sugar and spice, all and nice, to aim this at males as a gender.

You would think the ones who are most privileged wouldn't be recieving such hatred that's so acceptable in society that's its considered in the schools to poison very young aged boys.



WhoreMods -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:42:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen
You would think the ones who are most privileged wouldn't be recieving such hatred that's so acceptable in society that's its considered in the schools to poison very young aged boys.

Actually, I think you're whiney little bitch.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 1:47:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: respectmen
You would think the ones who are most privileged wouldn't be recieving such hatred that's so acceptable in society that's its considered in the schools to poison very young aged boys.

Actually, I think you're whiney little bitch.

Ditto!! [:D]



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