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How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms.

30 days

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1 year

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2-5 years

5% (1)

6-10 years

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more than ten years

88% (16)

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 6:43:05 AM

tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I don't think we are the same size - that would be your spin on shit.

But Australia is similar in size to north America.
They have similar wide open spaces like the US does.
They also adopted a similar gun restriction policy to ours.
They don't have daily gun deaths that run into the 000's.
They don't have mass killings several times every year.
They don't have guns in virtually half the households.
They don't have people carrying guns in public places.
And, like us, they don't need 'gun free zones' because the whole country is treated as a gun free zone.

That's because most of us Aussies* are nice well behaved people who don't want guns in our public sphere.

* There are exceptions like one or two people who post here who aren't nice at all, but every country has its share of angry obsessed imbeciles. Keeping these people well away from any kind of firearm is a very good idea IMHO.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 7:40:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Oh okay, I get it now. You still think there are not any cultural differences between our two countries, that geographically they are approximately the same size and that the size difference you see on the map is an optical illusion (no wide open spaces here).

What, exactly, do wide open spaces have to do with anything? Guns exist where people exist. What percentage of the 300+ million residents of amerika live in the "wide open spaces"?
What,exactly, are these "cultural" differences that you cite as being important?
You know that I am pro private ownership of firearms, that does not, however, make me pro stupidity.

You still think that the same flavor of gun control you describe in your country that works so well will work the same in the in the USA. Good for you

You seem to be totally clueless as to what the law is in amerika re: private gun ownership.
If you were to acquaint yourself with the restrictions placed on private gun ownership by the batf you would find that they restrict you to weapons which cannot be made to fire full automatic even if that was not part of the original design. This actuality limits private gun ownership to muizzle loaders.
You are a member of the nra. Go to the archives and look it up,I shant do it for you. The amerikan rifleman did a rather intreresting piece on it several years ago.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:01:50 AM

DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Criminals are not part of the public?

You know full well that criminals won't obey gun laws any more than they do other laws. They already can't get guns legally.

FFS, Awareness! They don't obey current gun laws! You think the next one will have them thinking, "yanno, I think they mean it this time. I think it's time to give up my weapons and follow this new law."

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:05:08 AM

thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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They already can't get guns legally.

Most gun crimes are committed with legal guns.

Do you have a link for that? The last one I read about wasn't allowed to have a gun and the sawed off shotgun he did have, wouldn't have been legal if he had a permit. So what law would have prevented that?

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:16:01 AM

thompsonx

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They already can't get guns legally. [/quote]
Most gun crimes are committed with legal guns.

Do you have a link for that? The last one I read about wasn't allowed to have a gun and the sawed off shotgun he did have, wouldn't have been legal if he had a permit. So what law would have prevented that?

Clearly english is a second language for you. Perhaps if you got a grown up to translate it for you. Then, perhaps, you would not post such assinine drivel.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:28:24 AM

Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Criminals are not part of the public?

BS, Hillary is.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:29:38 AM

Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

They already can't get guns legally.

Most gun crimes are committed with legal guns.

Citation please?

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:32:59 AM

Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I don't think we are the same size - that would be your spin on shit.

But Australia is similar in size to north America.
They have similar wide open spaces like the US does.
They also adopted a similar gun restriction policy to ours.
They don't have daily gun deaths that run into the 000's.
They don't have mass killings several times every year.
They don't have guns in virtually half the households.
They don't have people carrying guns in public places.
And, like us, they don't need 'gun free zones' because the whole country is treated as a gun free zone.

That's because most of us Aussies* are nice well behaved people who don't want guns in our public sphere.

* There are exceptions like one or two people who post here who aren't nice at all, but every country has its share of angry obsessed imbeciles. Keeping these people well away from any kind of firearm is a very good idea IMHO.

LMAO

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:51:37 AM

heavyblinker

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It's pretty obvious that the completely real total gun ban that has been proposed over and over by the Democrats and is about to occur if Hillary wins will result in all of the confiscated guns ending up in the hands of tens of millions of criminals within a week.

Criminals will pour in from the poorly defended borders just to get their chance to roam the streets, break into your house, steal everything that you love and emasculate you in front of your woman. It will take only a few months for the country to go to hell, and Hillary will watch this happen and laugh, waiting for her opportunity to declare martial law so the NWO can implant mind-control devices into our brains and use supercomputers to organize us all into a communist zombie collective... but her plan will be foiled when criminal gangs overrun the white house and hold the whole world hostage using the stolen nuclear codes.

Our only hope will be predominantly white, middle class men with average to below-average IQs who stashed their weapons knowing that this would be the result. They will run around shirtless like 80s action heroes, but will also have a tender, caring side that makes them utterly irresistible to the opposite sex (no fat chicks) whenever they're not shedding tears for the lives lost under Hillary's incompetent yet tyrannical reign of terror.

I am glad you're still fighting for freedom, justice and truth in America OP.... you're the best around--- nothing's gonna ever bring you down.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 8:57:03 AM

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 9:23:04 AM

WinsomeDefiance

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I think it is a reasonabke question, tbat those in countries who have willingly handed in their guns could maybe answer; if tbe insults and snark were set aside for one freaking day.

I have asked myself this question. If I willingly relinquished my guns, is my police force and government incorruptible enough to actually destroy them - OR - would they turn around and sell them to whomever has the cash.

How did other countries peacefully disarm and protect theif itizens?

Is this possible here, in America, in our current mess of a corrupt government where the only way to get something passed or accomplished is to set aside your own personal ethics and get dirty with some you scratch my back I will s ratch yours.

I own 2 riffles and a pistol and I would happily hand them over, to live in a country free of gun crimes where children didn't die by bullet, if some of these existing problems were corected. So please, those in Australia and the UK, put azixe your snark and your past arguments and hatred of whichever troll or moron or whatever and discuss options.

At this point, it appears the only way to make a peaceful world possible iz to tar and feather every last politician and rip up existing legislation and make government pay equitable to minimum wage and lobbying punishable.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 9:30:54 AM

Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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As soon as they ban guns, the British will come straight across the Atlantic to take the USA back again. Just saying.

Why ?

Why would they want it ? Seriously, most of the wealth is gone, if you want oil you have to frack to get it. You want the helium mine ? What the fuck do you do with helium, gonna build dirigibles ?

The land is played out so if you want to grow food here get ready for seriously elevated instances of obesity and diabetes, not to mention heart disease and strokes. These things are not CAUSED by doctors, they are caused by shitty food.

An illiterate population. Sure u cn txt but that is not the same thing. So slave labor is out unless you want these unhealthy fat people dying out in the fields picking watermelons. Most can't do much else and can't even do that. And slackerds, you will have to whip them to get them to even work, and then due to their physical condition they might just die trying. And if you want slaves you have to take care of their medical needs. It would break your economy so bad it would ever recover and then maybe Zimbabwe takes you over, because you won't have money for ammo and the citizens don't have guns. If they learn how to build boats you might be in deep shit.

You take over countries because they got something you can sell. What do you see here ? Wheat ? Try living on wheat. We import almost everything and put it on a credit card. If you take over are you going to pay that off ?

Bottom line, what's to take over ?

T^T

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 9:46:07 AM

PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I think it is a reasonabke question, tbat those in countries who have willingly handed in their guns could maybe answer; if tbe insults and snark were set aside for one freaking day.

It's a reasonable question deserving of a reasonable answer. I think comparing Britain and the USA might feel too much like comparing apples and oranges. The Australian case - especially after the Port Arthur massacre and government policy from 1996 onwards, is more comparable. I don't say 'Hey, it's a cinch, the Aussies did it, you can too' ... because of course we're talking of two different countries with two different cultures. But I reckon it's a good place to start.:

E.g:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/australias-gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 10:02:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

At this point, it appears the only way to make a peaceful world possible iz to tar and feather every last politician and rip up existing legislation and make government pay equitable to minimum wage and lobbying punishable.

Omg I love you and by the way I want some of what you are smokin'.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 10:09:23 AM

thompsonx

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Why ?

Why would they want it ? Seriously, most of the wealth is gone, if you want oil you have to frack to get it.

Nope there is still penty of liquid oil to suck up.

You want the helium mine ? What the fuck do you do with helium, gonna build dirigibles ?

It makes welding overhead pretty easy, reduces the haz and has a longer finger of penetration when compared to co2.

The land is played out so if you want to grow food here get ready for seriously elevated instances of obesity and diabetes, not to mention heart disease and strokes. These things are not CAUSED by doctors, they are caused by shitty food.

Not shitty food but rather shitty diet.

An illiterate population. Sure u cn txt but that is not the same thing. So slave labor is out unless you want these unhealthy fat people dying out in the fields picking watermelons.

You say that like it was a bad thing.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 10:10:51 AM

BamaD

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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Nobody has ever said how long the expect a disarmed public will have to deal with armed criminals.

But....But....But...cannot they use knives?.... cannot they use scissors?... cannot they use bombs?... you keep telling us those weapons are just as bad as guns....why be afraid of guns when you have those to arm yourself with....OH OH OH I forgot... your favorite...cannot they use swimming pools?

Butch

I have also said that even if I have a knife and the guy 1/3 my age has a knife he still has the advantage. That is unless the 22 year old has arthritis in both knees, both hips, both ankles , both shoulders, several fingers and one elbow + having had 2 strokes. No I keep telling you that they can kill you just as dead as a gun and that all taking guns from the honest people will accomplish is increasing any advantage the bad guys have.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 10:16:51 AM

BamaD

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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They already can't get guns legally.

Most gun crimes are committed with legal guns.

That is true to the point that most gun crimes are committed with types of firearms that it is legal to own. However, for example the guy who got shot in Charlotte was a felon who could not legally own a firearm, so he stole one.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 10:20:33 AM

BamaD

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There will be no ban.

Really, Hillary has sworn to only appoint judges who will overturn Helller, thus allowing bans, and she want to do and Australian style confiscation. That's not my view, it is what she has said.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 10:26:19 AM

WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I think it is a reasonabke question, tbat those in countries who have willingly handed in their guns could maybe answer; if tbe insults and snark were set aside for one freaking day.

It's a reasonable question deserving of a reasonable answer. I think comparing Britain and the USA might feel too much like comparing apples and oranges. The Australian case - especially after the Port Arthur massacre and government policy from 1996 onwards, is more comparable. I don't say 'Hey, it's a cinch, the Aussies did it, you can too' ... because of course we're talking of two different countries with two different cultures. But I reckon it's a good place to start.:

E.g:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/australias-gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds

I have read this before. It is remarkable, especially in a country that rains spiders and everything seems deadly and wants to kill you.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 10:27:12 AM

BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I think it is a reasonabke question, tbat those in countries who have willingly handed in their guns could maybe answer; if tbe insults and snark were set aside for one freaking day.

I have asked myself this question. If I willingly relinquished my guns, is my police force and government incorruptible enough to actually destroy them - OR - would they turn around and sell them to whomever has the cash.

How did other countries peacefully disarm and protect theif itizens?

Is this possible here, in America, in our current mess of a corrupt government where the only way to get something passed or accomplished is to set aside your own personal ethics and get dirty with some you scratch my back I will s ratch yours.

I own 2 riffles and a pistol and I would happily hand them over, to live in a country free of gun crimes where children didn't die by bullet, if some of these existing problems were corected. So please, those in Australia and the UK, put azixe your snark and your past arguments and hatred of whichever troll or moron or whatever and discuss options.

At this point, it appears the only way to make a peaceful world possible iz to tar and feather every last politician and rip up existing legislation and make government pay equitable to minimum wage and lobbying punishable.

Note that virtually everyone on here who says that we should give up our guns and count on the police to protect us will turn around and say that the cops are murderers every time they shoot someone.

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