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How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms.


30 days
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1 year
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2-5 years
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6-10 years
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more than ten years
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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 11:03:26 AM   
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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 11:16:25 AM   
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They already can't get guns legally.

Most gun crimes are committed with legal guns.

So do you believe that an otherwise honest person will, when he gets a firearm be magically forced to commit a crime? Most people down here have more willpower than an inanimate object.

It is clear from this post that you think that people who rob and murder will and do obey gun laws.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 11:21:41 AM   
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Are you saying you molest inantimate objects besides wiggling your peener at the pizza boy from your porch?
Is that what you are saying?



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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 11:43:53 AM   
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I think it is a reasonabke question, tbat those in countries who have willingly handed in their guns could maybe answer; if tbe insults and snark were set aside for one freaking day.

I have asked myself this question. If I willingly relinquished my guns, is my police force and government incorruptible enough to actually destroy them - OR - would they turn around and sell them to whomever has the cash.

How did other countries peacefully disarm and protect theif itizens?

Is this possible here, in America, in our current mess of a corrupt government where the only way to get something passed or accomplished is to set aside your own personal ethics and get dirty with some you scratch my back I will s ratch yours.

I own 2 riffles and a pistol and I would happily hand them over, to live in a country free of gun crimes where children didn't die by bullet, if some of these existing problems were corected. So please, those in Australia and the UK, put azixe your snark and your past arguments and hatred of whichever troll or moron or whatever and discuss options.

At this point, it appears the only way to make a peaceful world possible iz to tar and feather every last politician and rip up existing legislation and make government pay equitable to minimum wage and lobbying punishable.


Note that virtually everyone on here who says that we should give up our guns and count on the police to protect us will turn around and say that the cops are murderers every time they shoot someone.

Because, from what we've seen in the news and media, it does appear that way.
That's because the police are gun first rather than other ways to take down an assailant when they aren't armed and pointing.


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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 11:49:03 AM   
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It is clear from this post that you think that people who rob and murder will and do obey gun laws.

They do here.... generally.
The same can be said of Australia and Canada and most European countries.

We have guns, just like you do.
What we don't have is a gun culture like you have.
Guns aren't so prolific and not so easily obtainable either.
But for most people, if they wanted one, they can be bought legitimately.

Why is it in the US that people don't give a shit about the gun laws?



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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 12:09:35 PM   
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Why is it in the US that people don't give a shit about the gun laws?


Most obvious answer is because whatever law is brought in, the 2nd trumps it. If it's in the Constitution, it's a law above all laws. A Superlaw, if you like. This goes to one of the key arguments against a codified constitution that the political science kids learn, here: the 2nd entrenches a gun culture in the USA like nowhere else in the world.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 12:21:34 PM   
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Why is it in the US that people don't give a shit about the gun laws?


Most obvious answer is because whatever law is brought in, the 2nd trumps it. If it's in the Constitution, it's a law above all laws. A Superlaw, if you like. This goes to one of the key arguments against a codified constitution that the political science kids learn, here: the 2nd entrenches a gun culture in the USA like nowhere else in the world.

The people who ignore gun laws are the same people who ignores laws against murder, robbery, and rape, so are you claiming that the 2nd amendment encourages lawlessness across the board.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 12:32:16 PM   
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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 12:33:08 PM   
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I notice that the anti gun people here don't seem to want to answer the poll.
There is that one person who seems to think that the criminals will just march in an surrender their gun.
The only way there would be any chance of getting the guns in the hands of criminals would be to unleash the military, round up everyone and do a house to house search of the whole country, and the chances of that working would be on the level of Custer's chances at the Little Big Horn.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 12:58:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I don't think we are the same size - that would be your spin on shit.

But Australia is similar in size to north America.
They have similar wide open spaces like the US does.
They also adopted a similar gun restriction policy to ours.
They don't have daily gun deaths that run into the 000's.
They don't have mass killings several times every year.
They don't have guns in virtually half the households.
They don't have people carrying guns in public places.
And, like us, they don't need 'gun free zones' because the whole country is treated as a gun free zone.


That's because most of us Aussies* are nice well behaved people who don't want guns in our public sphere.

* There are exceptions like one or two people who post here who aren't nice at all, but every country has its share of angry obsessed imbeciles. Keeping these people well away from any kind of firearm is a very good idea IMHO.

LMAO...angry obsessed imbeciles get Phd's in feminist studies.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:04:17 PM   
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it is the unintended consequence of a 225+ year old thought.

That statement is the product of a small littl mind.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:07:23 PM   
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When does the gun ban start? I know our boy has been on welfare all his life, and he should have lots of time to read and become educated but he doesnt.

Sorta makes you wonder though, after the gun 'ban' in England, how many criminals own guns?


Why don't you do a little reading and become educated yourself. Then maybe you could tell us all what the consumer demand for guns are in England compared to the demand in the US.



He clearly doesn't read much.
Hillary has stated that she will have a litmus test for the Supreme court.
They will have to be in favor of overturning Heller and thus permitting bans.
Of course if he could read he would notice that I didn't say we had a ban.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:18:34 PM   
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The people who ignore gun laws are the same people who ignores laws against murder, robbery, and rape, so are you claiming that the 2nd amendment encourages lawlessness across the board.


No, I'm saying the 2nd is at the root of a culture that sees value in guns in the USA beyond that which you'd find in other cultures. One of the ways it does this, in fact, is by giving people the belief that the 'true law' is the 2nd, and any tinkering with that by legislators of today is in some deep sense actually 'breaking the Law'.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:31:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The people who ignore gun laws are the same people who ignores laws against murder, robbery, and rape, so are you claiming that the 2nd amendment encourages lawlessness across the board.


No, I'm saying the 2nd is at the root of a culture that sees value in guns in the USA beyond that which you'd find in other cultures. One of the ways it does this, in fact, is by giving people the belief that the 'true law' is the 2nd, and any tinkering with that by legislators of today is in some deep sense actually 'breaking the Law'.

Again you have it backwards. We have the 2nd because we value gun ownership, not the other way around. And again the people who ignore gun laws also ignore all other laws so your theory doesn't hold water.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:35:15 PM   
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Again you have it backwards. We have the 2nd because we value gun ownership, not the other way around.


I should think that was the case back in 1791; today I think it'd be much more difficult to tell which is cause and which is effect. As for the matter of those ignoring laws ... I think this has an effect on both the law-abiding and the crims. I'm talking about the gun culture as a whole.


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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:40:02 PM   
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Again you have it backwards. We have the 2nd because we value gun ownership, not the other way around.


I should think that was the case back in 1791; today I think it'd be much more difficult to tell which is cause and which is effect.


Since the view is unchanged you can hardly blame valuing firearms on something that did not come into existence until after that value was well established . You will find that there are far more people here (% wise) who have an individualistic outlook than in other countries.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:41:46 PM   
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LMAO...angry obsessed imbeciles get Phd's in feminist studies.


Tweakabelle isn't angry, isn't obsessed, isn't an imbecile and doesn't have a PhD in feminist studies, Nnanji.


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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:56:36 PM   
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it is the unintended consequence of a 225+ year old thought.

That statement is the product of a small littl mind.

Yeah, go back to school little pissant, your statement is the product of a small little peener, that you wave at circlefelch coven meetings.

e's are important especially in your circlefelch, couldnt have your little coven's constant circlefelch without it.



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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 1:58:18 PM   
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Are you asking:
1. If thy are declared a kriminal, stole some chocolate myself at 14, then I am not permitted a gun to run amok with and for the feeble to behold my beautiful carnage and for many a kid to blow its mums brains redecorating the windscreen etc with globules of brain matter.
2. I have never thieved delicious chocolate, ever, i am permitted to buy tommy gun, sherman tank and bazooka and Guns, and will extinguish 40 000 souls per year because it is utterly fuking marvellous
3. I would wall off Amercia myself and forget about it..tis for the best and will not be missed

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/21/2016 2:02:56 PM   
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Your thread and poll make no sense nonsense.


Are you asking:
1. If thy are declared a kriminal, stole some chocolate myself at 14, then I am not permitted a gun to run amok with and for the feeble to behold my beautiful carnage and for many a kid to blow its mums brains redecorating the windscreen etc with globules of brain matter.
2. I have never thieved delicious chocolate, ever, i am permitted to buy tommy gun, sherman tank and bazooka and Guns, and will extinguish 40 000 souls per year because it is utterly fuking marvellous
3. I would wall off Amercia myself and forget about it..tis for the best and will not be missed

You have made Mnottertail seem almost rational

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