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WickedsDesire -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 6:41:40 AM)

Gold edwird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergier_commission




Edwird -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 6:52:47 AM)




ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
Swizzleland still has a lot to answer for.
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Gold edwird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergier_commission


Oh that.

Like this, you mean?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network

And how much of that is just good old fashioned tax evasion, or how much of it is just good old fashioned sex slavery, or how much from illegal drugs mercantile?

Just no way to tell, is there?

Good thing the Brits have nothing to answer for on that account, by your estimation.






WickedsDesire -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 7:48:15 AM)

King edwird0th want to start a banking/financial/big business/rich/trump dont pay taxes thread taxes up to you - no complaints from me

I am Scottish and the sooner we axe England the better...incidentally London was the only "region" in Epishland who voted to remain in Europe...and that the only time i have seen those halfwits side with Scotland. Why so? Self interest for gluttony, they are the financial centre, one of 2-3 in the world, and, to opt out they would have no trough to feast from and other peoples souls to snack upon. Besides, it twere the mAdericans fault that one/crash. But what exactly has that got to do with price of cheese.

Swizzleland (There “official language” is German, French, Italian, Romanish, forked tongue financed the Nazis in WW2 read the fuking article nonentity - some nuggets (as we got fuk all from you):

1. Switzerland, apparently on its own initiative began to openly apply racist selection criteria according to the Nazi definition. In 1938, even before the war broke out the Swiss Government requested the Nazi authorities to stamp all passports of German Jews with a "J" as the Swiss did not recognize the right to asylum of those fleeing racial persecution. With the increasing persecution of Jews by the Nazi regime.

2. During the Second World War, Switzerland was the hub of European gold trade. 77% of the German gold shipments abroad were arranged through it. Between 1940 and 1945, the German state bank sold gold valued 101.2 million Swiss francs to Swiss commercial banks and 1,231.1 million francs through the Swiss National Bank (SNB). While, its trading role as such could be seen as the result of maintaining neutrality, the fact that a proportion of the gold had in fact been stolen from private individuals and the central banks of Germany's defeated neighbors (particularly Belgium and the Netherlands.)[23] This looted gold was then sold to the Swiss for Swiss francs which were used for making strategic purchases for the German war effort.

3. During World War II, Swiss banks loaned money to a wide variety of German enterprises which were involved in armaments as well as activities linked to activities involved in the extermination of the Jews. In addition, Credit Suisse and the Swiss Bank Corporation closely cooperated with major German banks which resulted "in some of the most questionable transactions of the wartime period: dealings with gold booty and/or looted gold. As late as 1943, the Union Bank of Switzerland granted Deutsche Bank a new loan of over 500,000 francs. Relations were maintained until the end of the war and even later

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MrRodgers -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 8:03:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Hmmm, I agree with Thompson.


Fuck me running. The world has stopped turning, the sun has been extinguished and the poles have reversed themselves. Beware the end is nigh. Popeye has finally come to his senses. Congratulations lad I would never have thought you capable of rational thought until this very moment. This is beyond special. I need a drink. Sit down sailor boy I have some 20 year old tequila I am going to share with you.

Does tequila being 20 years old...make a difference in how it tastes ? I can't even imagine that.




longwayhome -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 8:19:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

An interesting read whether or not you agree with the religious aspect.

https://realtruth.org/articles/120416-001.html


Leaving aside the whole motherhood and apple pie bit about how America civilised the world and spread its beneficence, the essential analysis of power politics in an international system in this article is not wholly wrong.

Yes (before you say it thompsonx) cold war rhetoric when you link it to good and evil is overblown and unhelpful, but the essential premise that a strong US and the alliances it formed has been the basis of world peace (as in the absence of a world war, not actual absence of war) for some time is accurate.

The move to a multi-polar world (long promised but not yet realised, despite the potential strength of countries such as China) does in historical terms make general war more likely. This is true in any power system, including Europe in the 1800s and early 1900s where the UK despite being the strongest power with control of the seas had nothing like the practical dominance that the US developed over the 20th century. We can debate when this definitively happened and who contributed most to victories in the world wars, but US dominance has been the most important factor in avoiding general war since 1945. The same lessons about power systems can be learned again and again in places like China, post Roman Europe and so on.

Local wars have taken place in the 20th and 21st centuries but regional and global conflict has largely been avoided, despite the involvement of the US, Russians and Chinese in proxy conflicts at a local level. The fact of the world becoming a riskier place where medium and large powers are more likely to clash has nothing however to do with moral questions (like "just how nasty is Putin?" or "how democratic is the Middle East?") but everything to do with competing needs which lead to clashes, however you frame the morality. The lack of trust between Europe and Russia for example is as old as the Russian Empire, whatever temporary alliances there had been in the intervening period. The end of the Cold War marks the end of seeing Russia in stereotypical terms as an "evil empire" but does nothing to relieve the underlying tensions.

I am dubious about claims that America has spread its political system across the world. Although I like living in a functioning democracy, it is merely the least worst form of government. The flavour of political systems has tended to have more to do with local circumstances than US influence. In terms of stability, the danger of dictatorship lies in the fact that the dictator can have ambitions which destabilise international peace, rather than the western liberal dream that democracy is the most stable system. It certainly is not. Dictators such as Tito in Yugoslavia maintained peace in a way that the democracies of the former Yugoslavia did not. So much for democracy being superior in all aspects.

Finally for the influence of US cultural imperialism, I don't think that it would particularly be missed - there are perfectly good alternatives to all of the US cultural and technological exports. It is would however be churlish not to acknowledge the significant contribution of American art, literature, drama, film, music, academic learning, semi-conductor technology and space exploration.

The main aspect of the analysis in the article I do agree with is that, for all of America's faults and all the places its interventions have worsened and not improved the lives of local people, a world where we do not have the US as the pre-eminent power, fully engaged with the world, will be a less safe place for those of us lucky enough to be living in countries who have not seen large scale war since 1945. Destabilising the international order is not unambiguously good or bad, but the risks of regional and global conflict are greater.

In that sense, leaving aside all the religious and political piety, a world without the US would be worse place.




Edwird -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 8:20:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

King edwird0th want to start a banking/financial/big business/rich/trump dont pay taxes thread taxes up to you - no complaints from me

I am Scottish and the sooner we axe England the better...incidentally London was the only "region" in Epishland who voted to remain in Europe...and that the only time i have seen those halfwits side with Scotland. Why so? Self interest for gluttony, they are the financial centre, one of 2-3 in the world, and, to opt out they would have no trough to feast from and other peoples souls to snack upon. Besides, it twere the mAdericans fault that one/crash. But what exactly has that got to do with price of cheese.

Swizzleland (There “official language” is German, French, Italian, Romanish, forked tongue financed the Nazis in WW2 read the fuking article nonentity - some nuggets (as we got fuk all from you):

1. Switzerland, apparently on its own initiative began to openly apply racist selection criteria according to the Nazi definition. In 1938, even before the war broke out the Swiss Government requested the Nazi authorities to stamp all passports of German Jews with a "J" as the Swiss did not recognize the right to asylum of those fleeing racial persecution. With the increasing persecution of Jews by the Nazi regime.

2. During the Second World War, Switzerland was the hub of European gold trade. 77% of the German gold shipments abroad were arranged through it. Between 1940 and 1945, the German state bank sold gold valued 101.2 million Swiss francs to Swiss commercial banks and 1,231.1 million francs through the Swiss National Bank (SNB). While, its trading role as such could be seen as the result of maintaining neutrality, the fact that a proportion of the gold had in fact been stolen from private individuals and the central banks of Germany's defeated neighbors (particularly Belgium and the Netherlands.)[23] This looted gold was then sold to the Swiss for Swiss francs which were used for making strategic purchases for the German war effort.

3. During World War II, Swiss banks loaned money to a wide variety of German enterprises which were involved in armaments as well as activities linked to activities involved in the extermination of the Jews. In addition, Credit Suisse and the Swiss Bank Corporation closely cooperated with major German banks which resulted "in some of the most questionable transactions of the wartime period: dealings with gold booty and/or looted gold. As late as 1943, the Union Bank of Switzerland granted Deutsche Bank a new loan of over 500,000 francs. Relations were maintained until the end of the war and even later

etc


This reminds me of trying to deal with my 4 yr. old nephew, when he did nothing but throw things at people, and talk 'silly talk' all the time.

Until he got really mad! and then suddenly spoke like a 12-16 yr. old, expressed coherent thoughts, in grammar far beyond a 4 yr. old. He is 19 now, and well past that stage.

How old are you, again?







WickedsDesire -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 8:42:04 AM)

fuking idiot nonentity edwirth0th My age is 47 times your IQ of one atom i I like how you debated shag all, contributed utterly fuk all, lack the capacity to read and absorb information before you blurt out nothing. There is a pattern to you invisible creature. Do I make you hard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2MpzKb-o6M

…stop hijacking the thread
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vincentML -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 9:18:59 AM)

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am going to start D'Souza's book today and if its suitable, will post things from it as I go along.

D'Souza is biased by his own ideology.




vincentML -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 9:27:31 AM)

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I don't like US for all that red tape and overly political correct bureaucratic nonsense that pretty much makes everything a deadlock and prevents anything from getting done in their country! Even basic health care plans cannot be implemented properly without being a huge mess.

Private healthcare insurance evolved after WW2 when employers offered it as an incentive. Or maybe during WW2. It was not a government decision. Once in place it is massively difficult to alter such a powerful industry.

Parliamentary systems often fail as well. The difference is we rarely have a crises. The passing of power occurs in a timely fashion without a government falling.




vincentML -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 10:17:25 AM)

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Against old men, cripples and children. While the russians killed more germans in front of moscow before amerika was even in the war than amerika did durring the whole war.


The Volkssturm were used in a pitiful last effort to defend Berlin. They never faced western troops.

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When one considers the russians put 1.5 million men against 1.2 million japanese defenders. Leading to a quarter of a million dead japs and more than 600,000 captured and actually landed on the islands of japan. All of this in less than two months. More dead and captured japs in less than two months than the anglo-amerikan alliance did in 4 years. it would appear that the russians did the heavy lifting against the japs as well as the germans.


Shit, Tommy. Tokyo was fire-bombed by 335 B29s on March 11 1945 killing near to 100,000 and leaving millions homeless.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked on August 6 and 9.

Russia invaded Manchucuo on August 9th.

The Emperor went on the radio on August 15 to announce the surrender.

I don't see how you can give so much credit to the Soviets.




tamaka -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 10:48:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: tamaka
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


tamaka


And just exactly how would you have that democracy without the US? It didn't seem like England was doing so well without us.

Could youi please tell me just what amerika did durring ww2 that would make you believe as you do. Please be specific.


www.quora.com/Could-World-War-II-have-been-won-without-the-United-States

Your link says emphatically that amerikan assistance in ww2 was insignificant and that the soviets could have beat the germans and the japanese all by themselves.

Where does it say that the soviets could have beaten the Japanese? It says that Japan would have taken over Asia and Russia would have taken over Europe if not for the intervention of the US.

That the only purpose of amerikan involvement was to prevent the soviets from controling all of europe.
It ignores and fails to address the question of why the soviets would be interested in occupying western europe.


Without the US, what would have stopped them? You don't have to worry about fighting them again if you control them.





vincentML -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 11:16:32 AM)

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That the only purpose of amerikan involvement was to prevent the soviets from controling all of europe.

Unless you can provide support for this opinion we shall have to conclude you are inventing your own version of history.




Awareness -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 11:47:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

that guy is delusional when he talks about america being the great peace envoy of the world, when nothing could be further from the truth. They (and mama britian) started every war on the planet bar none to advance their agenda.
Well that's an interesting statement because the first World War was a consequence of Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia on July 28th 1914, Russia supporting Serbia by declaring war on Austria-Hungary, Germany declaring war on Russia, France asking what the fuck was going on, shortly before Germany declared war on France, then - for an encore - declared war on Belgium, after which Britain finally - on August 4th - declared war on Germany in support of Belgium.

Would you care to explain how Britain "started" World War 1?





BamaD -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 12:27:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

that guy is delusional when he talks about america being the great peace envoy of the world, when nothing could be further from the truth. They (and mama britian) started every war on the planet bar none to advance their agenda.
Well that's an interesting statement because the first World War was a consequence of Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia on July 28th 1914, Russia supporting Serbia by declaring war on Austria-Hungary, Germany declaring war on Russia, France asking what the fuck was going on, shortly before Germany declared war on France, then - for an encore - declared war on Belgium, after which Britain finally - on August 4th - declared war on Germany in support of Belgium.

Would you care to explain how Britain "started" World War 1?



A much better argument can be made that France started the war, if you want an alternative to the accepted belief that Germany did.
It was widely believed that war was at some point inevitable. The French wanted war to get revenge for 1870. Still (and given their wish for war inexplicably) the draft in France was going to end in 1915 or 1916. The French had a reason to fight then and not later when they would be weaker.

On the other hand you can make a case that the Brits suckered the Americans into the war by faking the Zimmerman note.




Edwird -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 12:58:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

fuking idiot nonentity edwirth0th My age is 47 times your IQ of one atom i I like how you debated shag all, contributed utterly fuk all, lack the capacity to read and absorb information before you blurt out nothing. There is a pattern to you invisible creature. Do I make you hard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2MpzKb-o6M

stop hijacking the thread
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Thread title: RE: The world without the US

So, where was the word "Swizzeland" (or even Switzerland) in the title or the OP? Help a one atom IQ fellow out, here. Do I make you wet?


In any case, there was a 'racial hygiene' society in the US, something similar in the UK, and many Nazi supporters in the US and UK and most every European country up until 1939, and still more than a few even during the war.







stef -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 1:03:18 PM)

Please don't quote WickedDipshit's posts. The people who have him hidden will appreciate your cooperation.




Edwird -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 1:04:59 PM)

Ooops.

Sorry.




Wayward5oul -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 1:13:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird

Ooops.

Sorry.

Don't let it happen again.[sm=domme.gif]




Edwird -> RE: The world without the US (10/25/2016 1:55:13 PM)

Ouch! Ouch!

OK, I won't. Promise.




thompsonx -> RE: The world without the US (10/26/2016 5:43:14 AM)


ORIGINAL: Edwird


You forget that Stalin killed 20 million of his own countrymen before WW II ever started.


First: The 20 million number is highly suspect.
second: With a population of about 150 million, with about 10% being the aristocracy and their "enforcers" the kulaks, Why wouldn't he snuff them since they were the ones who sought the return to monarchy? To characterize them as "his own people" is more than a little disingenuous.





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