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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 7/26/2006 11:11:58 AM   
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darren,
 
Welcome to the forums and stay here!
By all means, you should browse profiles and then write according the the instructions and/or style of the Domina who interests you.
For Myself, I have, at this point, completely outlined what I expect to see in a letter of introduction and petition.  Even with that, I still rarely (very rarely) receive anything that even approaches the simple guidelines I have already spelled out to make it as easy as possible.  I am talking maybe three or four simple paragraphs which cover the information I require.  In addition, I state that I will not look for the boys, therefore, I expect the boys to seek Me out.  There really is a method to My madness!
That said, being an active participant on these forums will get you noticed a lot faster than those who just sit back and wait for replies to their many one liners sent out over and over, sometimes to the same Ladies!  Of course you need to have something intelligent to say, and presentation is very important!   *Smile*
I was in Bath just last week.  Perhaps you were the cute boy I winked at on the street?
 

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 7/26/2006 12:52:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

darren,
 
Welcome to the forums and stay here!
By all means, you should browse profiles and then write according the the instructions and/or style of the Domina who interests you.
For Myself, I have, at this point, completely outlined what I expect to see in a letter of introduction and petition.  Even with that, I still rarely (very rarely) receive anything that even approaches the simple guidelines I have already spelled out to make it as easy as possible.  I am talking maybe three or four simple paragraphs which cover the information I require.  In addition, I state that I will not look for the boys, therefore, I expect the boys to seek Me out.  There really is a method to My madness!
That said, being an active participant on these forums will get you noticed a lot faster than those who just sit back and wait for replies to their many one liners sent out over and over, sometimes to the same Ladies!  Of course you need to have something intelligent to say, and presentation is very important!   *Smile*
I was in Bath just last week.  Perhaps you were the cute boy I winked at on the street?
 


These are good points and subs need to really listen to this.  I don't know of many femdoms that have the time or desire to actively seek submissive partners, but I know of a lot of femdoms that expect to be courted and pursued - or, that a submissive should show enough initiative to pursue her.

Many submissives find this approach to be contrary to their very submissive nature.  These submissives are often alone for a very long time, because their only hope is that they get "recognized" by a femdom and then she decides she must have him, and a very intense pursuit begins.  This is mostly a male fantasy.  This is even more so a fantasy if the submissive, by his nature, is more introverted, not "out there" and being seen, or is not actively marketing himself.  A submissive that really works hard to self promote (in an effective way, not as a turn off), make himself well known and develop desire and mystery -- well, he might get a few femdoms seeking him out.  But that's still very, very unlikely.

Submissives that also don't recognize the need to compete are also going to be at a loss. Just like in the vanilla world, if not more, a man must compete for the attention and favor of a woman if he is one of many.  This is just the sad reality.  In a competitive environment, many subs want to take a "sit back and wait/observe" approach -- and they end up left behind while their more aggressive and gregarious competition see more results.

Subs need to question whether or not this desire to be pursued is part of their submissive fantasy and how can they break out of it.  Sure, every sub dreams that a dominant woman will take notice and pursue him and conquer him, or show enough interest that there's no need for him to risk his ego or face possible rejection.  But a submissive that thinks this approach is going to pay off in the long run is going to be disappointed, unless he is so incredibly charming, charismatic, gorgeous or wealthy that women do take notice simply by his mere presence, effectively getting his foot into the door.

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 7/27/2006 3:47:27 PM   
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Hello darren,

As stated many people here are looking for many different things. Some are just looking to get freaky and some are looking for a dream. When someone writes me I look for some clue that they have actually taken time to read my profile. There is a great amount of information in my profile. I also like to see if they where smart enough to find their way to my website and actaully took a moment to educate themself about how I live and what I am looking for.

It clearly states that I am looking for someone from the USA and yet daily I get mail from around the world. If someone that lives 100 miles from me has difficulty getting off the internet to attend a face to face meeting I find it almost unimaginable that someone from across the pond would take all the legal steps required to move to me and place themself into my service.

Since I am not looking for cyber, nor do I have hours a day to spend sitting online. I look for some clue that this boy from out of the blue and begging to be my property, might actually follow through and be worth the investment of my time. Some clue that he might have a plan to follow through on his desires.

Just as you have no way of telling how "real" I am and I have no way of telling how real the person is writing me. The profile is my best indication if someone is a wanker or a hopeful. Reading what someone has posted in the forums can also be a very useful tool.

I wish you well in your search.

Melissa
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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 7/30/2006 6:16:48 PM   
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hello mistress,  where does a male bi sub  go  to get collared  or find a mistress?  iv been trying  for almost 2 years now but havnt had any luck?   fagboi drew

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 7/30/2006 6:21:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tanbunns

hello mistress,  where does a male bi sub  go  to get collared  or find a mistress?  iv been trying  for almost 2 years now but havnt had any luck?   fagboi drew


Wow!  Talk about hijacking a thread! 

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 7/30/2006 6:29:08 PM   
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where do you find  these munchies yourtalking about?   i cant get collared  been trying for almost 2 years   fagboi  drew

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 7/30/2006 10:26:31 PM   
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I really have no clue.

I've tried going to BDSM clubs, TES events here in NYC, i'm on several personals sites, I've posted sincere ads on craigslist (in other words not just "do me" ads) the list goes on and on.

Searching for a Domme is the most difficult and frustrating thing I have ever done...and I've been at it for years.

I'm fairly picky it's true, and I've had offers to "play" but not from anyone I'm interested in.

I wish i could give you advice on how to approach a Domme either online or in person but every Domme i've met in person has been surrounded by her other sub or subs, and i'm not poly.

I can say this. If you do meet a Domme in person, you really have to try hard to antisipate what type of sub they want.

I was recently told that i was "too nice and attentive" by a Domme who wanted a challenge, someone she's have to work for.

The best advice I can give you? Win the lottery, there are many Dommes that are only looking for money, a greedy Domme is better than no Domme I suppose.

And yes..i'm feeling jaded right now.

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/1/2006 9:48:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: BenignPlague

Hello all and thanks for reading;

This could completely be my novelty shining through, but it seems, just by the overall tone of profiles and journals of dominant women on this site, that approaching submissives are expected to thoroughly read and praise the profile, while at the same time, include enough information about themselves in their email that the domme does not even need to read it.

From what I can tell, we all have busy lives, and time on anyone's hands is not a thing to be taken for granted. I try to write a nice few paragraphs when I message people, but, even after including the most often sought after information in my profile, I feel like I'm stuck rewriting things about myself, or rather, reiterating them every time. Also, while I'm not against compliments on a first email, they kind of lose their meaning if one is expected or required.

I'm wondering, from the dominant woman's perspective, where is the line between one liners and repeating our profile that men looking for dommes should strive for?

Adam



Frankly, Adam, I'm far more impressed by someone who comments on something I've said on the forums and gets a dialogue going that way. Shows they are looking for community over quick scenes in my opinion.




I agree, and if they have directives in their profile, FOLLOW THEM, or if for some reason it is not possible, state why, so they know you actually read the directive.

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/1/2006 9:51:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tanbunns

hello mistress,  where does a male bi sub  go  to get collared  or find a mistress?  iv been trying  for almost 2 years now but havnt had any luck?   fagboi drew


Local kennel has collars..... will answer even though the thread was hijacked.  In reading your profile, you offer sexual slavery. We have plenty of sex slave offers, want to come mow my lawn????????

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/1/2006 10:56:05 PM   
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G'morning all:


smsuk, I dug up this link from a thread dealing with this topic some time ago. Hope it helps. Good luck.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_30125/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#30125


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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/1/2006 11:03:46 PM   
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Gidday Mistress, - il call you Miss since W/we both dont no one an other in al,
No disrespect to you of course;
Ive been online nearly a year now and to win any hearts ive found those who are really keen
wont give up and do it all from persistant letters to blogging the whole fucking globe like i have;
 
Yes courage is my thing Miss"
in my role as hetero sub ive only had one true calling in my own country and it didnt work for us.
 
so now ive come to coller thee to annoy the pretty dominatrix here too"
be well Miss.

from - spunkin.

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/1/2006 11:05:22 PM   
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W/why is there a bloody vanilla ice cream above me for Miss ???

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 12:15:06 AM   
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Check out Threshold.org and Lair de Sade in North Hollywood.

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 1:57:57 AM   
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Hello A/all. First time poster here.

i believe courtesy goes both ways. It takes only a few minutes to read or reply to S/someone W/who has messaged Y/you. i do reply to messages, after I have read the profile, to be sure W/we are on the same page. If it's from a male, that hasn't read my profile, i do my best to be polite.

i am shy by nature but have emailed a Domme or Two, only after reading Their profile, to ensure i haven’t emailed the wrong Person (a Straight Domme, or a sub), and Those i think may be receptive to an email.

Finding a Domme (or a submissive) that is compatible is hard, and it would be naïve to think E/everyone is polite or has good intentions. O/one must be patient and be able to attempt to sometimes go out of T/their comfort zone to find what T/they truly seek.

One must be willing to try though and be prepared to accept being knocked back. Patience, being polite, respectful and honest always helps. Rome wasn’t built in a day, nor is any sustained fulfilled D/s relationship.

wing


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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 2:53:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Spunkin

W/why is there a bloody vanilla ice cream above me for Miss ???


A vanilla ice cream cone means you are a very bad poster and you are not worthy of being called a BDS--- heyyy, why do I have a vanilla ice cream cone??? 

hehe.. it really means you haven't posted enough.  I think you get a BDSM symbol after 30 posts or something.  After every 100 posts you get a pair of handcuffs and after every 500 posts you get a paddle. 

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 4:58:16 AM   
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hello benign ....

indeed  quoting your profile is not what is required ....  In fact I dislike those  who repaste  their profile into an email  .... it makes you seem lazy and slightly insulting

but showing you have read my profile .. or read one of my posts ... and  wish to have an interaction  based on more than that I am fem and indentify as domme is what is important to me.

I am all for,  first emails haveing a  mixture of things .... a little charm and politness ... some specifics  about me or at least what you have noticed  or understood about me and my desires  or thoughts .... and  then something to make me desire to  contact you back .... say an interesting question... or shareing something you think I would enjoy about you

*warm smile* ....  In the real 3D world .... all sorts of things are in motion when  you meet some one ... how you stand ... what you are wearing .. your tone of voice ... your smile....  all sorts of manerisims  etc as well as what you say 

You need to be able to show enough with words and the way you use them  to show yourself  and engage someones attention.... so yes it can be tiresum... but its also  part of showing that you think the person worth the  effort

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 5:43:55 AM   
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Hello darren ...

What I want from a submissive in a first approach is -- to me -- relatively simple.  It's also what I would do if I were approaching someone else, modified slightly. 

In my mind, finding a dominant is a combination of applying for a work position and telling a woman you'd like a date with her.  Guidelines for both situations are in effect.  Be friendly, courteous and not too personal (please don't send pictures of naked body parts).  A profile is like a resume and a letter is like a cover letter.  If someone is interested in me, and they have either missing, it makes it difficult to know anything about them, and to decide that I want to write back.  For me, as a verbal person, it feels lazy.  I wrote a profile because I know what I am looking for.  I hope the person writing did the same.  joshslave111 said a valuable thing in terms of trying to anticipate what a dominant might want.  It shows you're actively thinking about what would please.  And I second MzMinx on repasting the profile into email ... it makes a person look like they don't have a lot to say, doesn't it? 

If I were writing to someone (and I have), I tell them what resonated for me in their profile.  I want them to know what I appreciate about them.  I write a thoughtful, coherent letter that's spelled correctly.  I do this because I think they are worth the effort.  Not surprisingly, I want the same from someone who writes, that he cares about presentation, that he found something interesting *about me* and that he's thoughtful.  These are kinda no-brainers to me, and given how I've written my profile, it also seems clear by inference that I want them. 

Because I get this so rarely, I just added something to my journal stating that I want these things in an opening letter.  You know, in case this kind of courtesy is an odd request and someone is looking for guidance.  (smiling) 

As to whether to approach a dominant woman ... YES!  Simply because of the ratio of submissive men to dominant women, you need to. 

Good luck!

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 5:50:56 AM   
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welcome to the woderful world of online. if there were some magic way to approach a Mistress, i don't think you'll find it here. i have been searding for years and regardless of how i approach them, they are unapproachable. you have to remember, (IMHO) when someone becomes a Dominant, they are often so far above you that they lose the ability to truly care one way or other if you exist. you can either lie and tell them what they want to hear, in which case that fall apart in time, or you can be 100% honest, in which case you become an unwanted commodity. there is no winning here (or other sites).

good luck on the hunt.


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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 5:56:54 AM   
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you have to remember, (IMHO) when someone becomes a Dominant, they are often so far above you that they lose the ability to truly care one way or other if you exist.

If you truly believe this, why do you continue this journey?  It seems rather pointless if this is your honest-to-goodness assessment of all of us.  And if it's not apparent by all of us posting here, replying to concerns, problems, personal issues, bleeding hearts, etc out of our own free time, many of us DO care, one way or another. 

Please.....take a step back, michael, and think of the hurtful ways you speak about us.  It's not very flattering, and surely not behavior representative of a gentleman who is genuine to his calling as someone dedicated to service, being pleasing and obedient.

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RE: Approaching a Dominant Woman - 8/2/2006 6:12:33 AM   
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This isn't to any one male submissive who has asked how to get collar or find a mistress.... The below is only my opinion but it is based on 14 years of community experience years more of self-education and learning about BDSM.

Get involved in your local communities even if local is a trip you can only make a few times a year. Honestly if you are only looking online you are really seriously limiting your pool of potentials.

Get known and get to know yourself more via experimenting and reading and listening and asking questions. People who have experience and who have self-awareness can be far more attractive than those who don't.

Get realistic about what you want and what you can find. The odds are that your first top will not be your forever mistress. The odds are that that ideal you have in your head will never fully fit someone. If you really want those things, great, but be prepare for many years alone and lots of frogs before you find your princess. Heck, you're gonna get frogs even if you have less idealize images, learn from them and don't set up your heart get burned by focusing on finding "The One" only.

I've grown a grumpy soapbox under my feet here.

I'm just so "tired" of this idea I see that people should find this "ONE". I mean, how many of us married the first person we dated in the vanilla world? How many of us only had sex with that same one person for our entire lives? I mean, even folks I know who remain married to one person all their lives and never had sex with anyone else tell me that they dated at least one other person in their lifetimes. If that doesn't work out very well why would the same idea in BDSM work very well?

Yeah, yeah, I know someone here has a cousin who know this girl who did only date one guy, got married, was monogamous and lived happily ever after or someone who found his dream mistress of a lifetime online in one week. How rare is this? I personally know I'm not "so special" that it is likely to happen for me so I've tried to be more realistic in my expectations and in my trial scenes and dating.

Now don't get me wrong, having expectations, having limits, having needs and musts, and having guidelines are great. They help you find someone more compatible because being too open or loose or vague in what you want can get you no where too.

Learn how to say "no" but learn how to say "yes" too.

Ah, just ignore me. I'm too sick of this freaking weather to make much sense and its raised my grumpiness factor 10 fold.

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