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BamaD -> RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban (11/2/2016 12:59:24 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
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I didn't mean you as in you personally it was the people who call the fact that you can make private sales at a gun show without a background check a gun show loophole are trying to mislead you.
Hence the questions so that I could make sure that my impressions of current laws were correct before I started making suggestions about what I thought should or should not be done. It would be pretty ignorant of me to say that they should make background checks a requirement on private sales as well, if that was already required. God forbid I make queries into the accuracy of my information before stating a position based on that information.
And no one is misleading me about anything. This is not a question I asked because of what propaganda anyone else was feeding me; I don't talk about this to others. Just not one of the topics that crop up in my circle anymore. I asked it because of what I was reading on this forum and what I knew based on my own firsthand experiences.
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It is not a loophole period, the sales are made in compliance with state law.
It may be in compliance to state law, but the fact is that when fervent gun rights activists reassure people about sales at gun shows by telling them that dealers are required to do background checks, they often fail to include the fact that individual sellers are not. And the fact is that that is a common occurrence at gun shows. So yes, I consider it a loophole. Going to gun shows as often as we did, we knew many of the dealers by name, and always chatted with them when we saw them. And even they referred to it as a loophole. Not the one that is usually referenced when the general public talks about the gun show loophole, but a loophole nonetheless.
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If for example I sell a firearm away from a gun show and it is legal to do so why should it being at a gun show make any difference.
My point about gun shows is, again, the fact that private sellers, in going to a gun show rather than placing an ad, can reach a much larger population of potential buyers who can check their product out first-hand, negotiate, make the sale, etc...at zero cost, zero inconvenience, compared to placing an ad and the logistics of making a sale off of it. In an otherwise well-regulated environment. That's the difference.
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If you want a background check on private sales say that is what you want and don't use it as a weapon against dealers who are doing what they are supposed to.
You are reading things into my post that simply are not there. How does anything that I said translate as being a weapon against dealers? Every question I had referenced PRIVATE sales between individuals.
I guess that I am a bit of a purist on these things.
By referring to this as a gun show loophole it reinforces the widespread misconception that the dealers at gun shows don't have to do background checks which is, as you know false.
What you seem to want is universal background checks.
Does this include passing firearms to my son?
Or trading with him?
Does it even include trading firearms as both people have already been checked.
When I personally sell a firearm I insist on seeing a Alabama pistol permit, as that proves they have already been checked out and have a clean record.
It seems to me that before you start increasing the number of background checks the system should be fully staffed and it should be mandatory for all states to enter all the relevant information.
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