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tamaka -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/4/2016 11:09:38 PM)

Like i said... we've been educated to the point we are losing our minds.




Lucylastic -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/4/2016 11:48:30 PM)

Speak for yourself.
Its a poor excuse used by the closed minded.




tamaka -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/4/2016 11:49:22 PM)

No... it's reality.




LadyPact -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/4/2016 11:52:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Christ, you dumb bitches really haven't learned a goddamned thing.

Obviously, neither have you. The fact that you even have to open your comment with a term like 'bitches,' shows that you aren't exactly willing to have decent conversation on the matter.

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Apparently YourKinkIsNotMyKinkButYourKinkIsOK only goes one way... because there's sure as shit a bunch of 'onetruewayism' going on with you dumb cunts.

It also shows that you don't have a good grasp on what the heck it means, anyway. It's ok. I'm willing to help you out.

My personal definition of YKINMKBYKIOK is somebody saying that a certain relationship style or activity isn't for them, they don't want to engage in X, or whatever doesn't suit them.

The part you are skipping is the recognition that, even though something isn't for the individual, the recognition that it IS for somebody else, is the Your Kink Is OK part. Instead of that, it was all about how an entire group of people, were weak, pathetic, emasculated, and whatever other terms were used for it. *That* is an individual trying to tell other people that there kink is NOT ok because it doesn't jive with their personal wants. You can't figure that out?


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There's a bunch of valid reasons to despise male subs - I can tell you that sure as shit, the vast majority of masculine men do. If you don't like it, then tough. Harden the fuck up instead of trying to engage in the lexical equivalent of gang-rape because someone espouses a view of which you disapprove.

No, there aren't, and I'm even going to tell you why. If you want to despise an individual, you can do that. However, if you want to despise a category of people, it makes a person a bigot. It's the very definition of the word and a person shouldn't be surprised when people say that what hits the screen is a repugnant point of view.

Oh, and just for the record, I didn't 'jump on the bandwagon'. (Better term than yours.) Wouldn't have mattered to me if I was the first, tenth, or one hundredth. Something a lot of folks don't have the fortitude to say unless they are just being a keyboard commando on the internet. I'd laugh my ass off if certain people walked into an event spewing some of the sewage they say on the net.

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Personally, I think the ongoing and consistent emasculation of men by "Dommes" is disgusting, but I tend not to proselytize that view all over the board. When you react like fucking children to a contrary opinion, I'm reminded why I consistently think of you as fucking morons. Because you are.

Hang tight, there. I didn't catch the profile mining and some bullsh^t about a thread brought up from ten years ago. That's *not* childish? That's what a person has to support their opinion? What kind of crap is that?

That's not an opinion. That's somebody digging for dirt.






ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 2:56:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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I can tell you that sure as shit, the vast majority of masculine men do

Well I guess that all depends on how you define masculine. i would also be very interested in how you know the opinions of "the vast majority" of masculine men.
I suggest you think about it for a bit, little one. If you concentrate really hard, the answer will come to you.


So you are just talking out your ass, as usual. I thought so.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 2:57:58 AM)

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I'll cut down an idiotic opinion using logic and evidence,

Except you don't actually present any evidence, even when asked for some.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 3:06:12 AM)

Yes indeed Lucy, oh dear is about all one can say.




Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 5:39:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Christ, you dumb bitches really haven't learned a goddamned thing.

Obviously, neither have you. The fact that you even have to open your comment with a term like 'bitches,' shows that you aren't exactly willing to have decent conversation on the matter.
Show me the decent conversation which was already underway, because it sure as shit looked like a fucking lynch mob to me.

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Apparently YourKinkIsNotMyKinkButYourKinkIsOK only goes one way... because there's sure as shit a bunch of 'onetruewayism' going on with you dumb cunts.

It also shows that you don't have a good grasp on what the heck it means, anyway. It's ok. I'm willing to help you out.

My personal definition of YKINMKBYKIOK is somebody saying that a certain relationship style or activity isn't for them, they don't want to engage in X, or whatever doesn't suit them.

The part you are skipping is the recognition that, even though something isn't for the individual, the recognition that it IS for somebody else, is the Your Kink Is OK part. Instead of that, it was all about how an entire group of people, were weak, pathetic, emasculated, and whatever other terms were used for it. *That* is an individual trying to tell other people that there kink is NOT ok because it doesn't jive with their personal wants. You can't figure that out?
Fucking horseshit. Someone expressing an opinion of their own is not telling other people how to live. You need to learn the difference between oppression and fucking censorship. You've got mutually opposing viewpoints, but only ONE side is allowed to express their views? The side which dominates the entire conversation in this place?

Viewpoints around male subs are built around philosophical beliefs around men, women and gender (Countdown to Uggo's brain exploding in 5...4...) The idea that only ONE viewpoint is allowed to be espoused - and that people who disagree are bigots - is bullshit. I remember back in the 90's when NAMBLA was trying to argue they were the 'new gay community' which was being discriminated against and that people who did so were bigots. That was an unconvincing argument then and I still regard them as a bunch of sick fucks who need brain surgery.

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There's a bunch of valid reasons to despise male subs - I can tell you that sure as shit, the vast majority of masculine men do. If you don't like it, then tough. Harden the fuck up instead of trying to engage in the lexical equivalent of gang-rape because someone espouses a view of which you disapprove.

No, there aren't, and I'm even going to tell you why. If you want to despise an individual, you can do that. However, if you want to despise a category of people, it makes a person a bigot. It's the very definition of the word and a person shouldn't be surprised when people say that what hits the screen is a repugnant point of view.
Oh, I see, so despising - for example - padeophiles makes me a bigot, does it?

There are valid reasons, it's just that you don't think they're valid. And you're not a man, so you can't understand our instinctive response to men who emasculate themselves or let others do it for them. You'd probably just attribute it to "toxic masculinity" the way Uggo does. Mind you, she attributes every perceived negative outcome for women as "toxic masculinity", so this is not exactly a unique case.

I don't spend a whole bunch of time trying to convince anyone here that my views on male subs are valid. It's irrelevant. But this is the internet and expressing opinions which will annoy each other is par for the course. Pretending these views don't exist or that anyone who expresses them is a bigot is the kind of bullshit character assassination which is the hallmark of the left. And it's incredibly ironic given the progressive view on male subs in here is very much a minority opinion in the real world.

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Oh, and just for the record, I didn't 'jump on the bandwagon'. (Better term than yours.) Wouldn't have mattered to me if I was the first, tenth, or one hundredth. Something a lot of folks don't have the fortitude to say unless they are just being a keyboard commando on the internet. I'd laugh my ass off if certain people walked into an event spewing some of the sewage they say on the net.
That goes both ways. Ye Gods, have you ever noticed the masculine Dom mockery which is a constant fixture in this place? Do you seriously think the meth-heads spouting it would do so in person?

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Hang tight, there. I didn't catch the profile mining and some bullsh^t about a thread brought up from ten years ago. That's *not* childish? That's what a person has to support their opinion? What kind of crap is that?
Oh please. People feel free to mine my profile for what they think is ammunition. It's a waste of time, of course, because I don't give a shit, but Wayward5oul's disingenuous claims are pathetic. And please try and tell me you're suddenly deciding past posts aren't relevant in a discussion, because that shit is constantly trotted out by the progressinazi's in this place.

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That's not an opinion. That's somebody digging for dirt.
*drily* Yes, I am somewhat familiar with people who try and use that technique.




Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 5:41:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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I can tell you that sure as shit, the vast majority of masculine men do

Well I guess that all depends on how you define masculine. i would also be very interested in how you know the opinions of "the vast majority" of masculine men.
I suggest you think about it for a bit, little one. If you concentrate really hard, the answer will come to you.


So you are just talking out your ass, as usual. I thought so.
I can see I've overestimated your intelligence. I won't make that mistake again.




Greta75 -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 6:13:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness
I don't spend a whole bunch of time trying to convince anyone here that my views on male subs are valid. It's irrelevant.

I am surprise honestly that you aren't being positive about some of the women here sticking up for submissive males?

I mean, considering you do spend alot of time supporting RM point of view, and how feminists are trying oppress men.

Here we have "feminists" defending men who may not want to choose the traditional role of a male. I would think you would support that too!




Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 6:27:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I am surprise honestly that you aren't being positive about some of the women here sticking up for submissive males?

I mean, considering you do spend alot of time supporting RM point of view, and how feminists are trying oppress men.
No. I point out that feminists are full of shit and hypocritical to boot. I don't think they're trying to oppress men, I think they're trying to gain power and are lying through their fucking teeth to do so.

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Here we have "feminists" defending men who may not want to choose the traditional role of a male. I would think you would support that too!
RM and I differ on that. I have no problem with gender essentialism. I think men and women are different and that trying to pretend they're the same is the kind of double-think which only the mentally ill try and indulge.

As far as I'm concerned, men and women have different privileges and that's perfectly fine with me. I think it's perfectly normal and rational for things to be that way as our capabilities in life are largely defined by biology. Men who don't "choose" the traditional role of a male are simply poor evolutionary outcomes trying to pretend that masculinity doesn't matter.

On the flip side, you have unattractive, poor examples of femininity who try and pretend gender doesn't matter because they're manifestly unattractive to men and need to construct a rationale that lets them live with the consequences of their failure.

Weak men and hideous women both leap to this creed because it helps them feel better about themselves. That is why they're both attracted to feminism.




tamaka -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 7:13:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I am surprise honestly that you aren't being positive about some of the women here sticking up for submissive males?

I mean, considering you do spend alot of time supporting RM point of view, and how feminists are trying oppress men.
No. I point out that feminists are full of shit and hypocritical to boot. I don't think they're trying to oppress men, I think they're trying to gain power and are lying through their fucking teeth to do so.



I agree with that as one motivation.

The other factor i don't think many of them realize themselves is that they are enablers.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 7:28:54 AM)

Good lord you are an angry little one, aren't you?




LadyPact -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 9:29:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Show me the decent conversation which was already underway, because it sure as shit looked like a fucking lynch mob to me.

I don't think it started as a bad thread. Granted, I'm not particularly a fan of the original poster because, at this point, I would have thought he'd gotten some things through his head. That's even with me conceding the point that LA is one of the biggest money-driven related places about kink in the continental United States. (I'm not talking about the crap that you see on the net, either.)

Personally, I felt the original was another 'why do women want to be paid for X if we really want the same things' type of deal, without the grasp of understanding that, just because certain people enjoy activity X, doesn't mean they want to engage in it with whomever. Due to the fact that it's basically the same kind of broken record thread from this particular OP, thread drift was damn near a guarantee.

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Fucking horseshit. Someone expressing an opinion of their own is not telling other people how to live. You need to learn the difference between oppression and fucking censorship. You've got mutually opposing viewpoints, but only ONE side is allowed to express their views? The side which dominates the entire conversation in this place?

Yeah. Believe it or not, I actually LIKE that stuff that's in the guidelines about attempting to not insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc of others. Same sh^t was happening around here when a certain poster was attacking people for their sexual orientation.

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Viewpoints around male subs are built around philosophical beliefs around men, women and gender (Countdown to Uggo's brain exploding in 5...4...) The idea that only ONE viewpoint is allowed to be espoused - and that people who disagree are bigots - is bullshit. I remember back in the 90's when NAMBLA was trying to argue they were the 'new gay community' which was being discriminated against and that people who did so were bigots. That was an unconvincing argument then and I still regard them as a bunch of sick fucks who need brain surgery.

Nice try at the tactic, but it's not working for you any more than it was working for them. You jumped from kink between consensual adults to people trying to condone what adults do sexually to children. The fact that you even tried to make that leap astounds me.

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Oh, I see, so despising - for example - padeophiles makes me a bigot, does it?

No, that's just you attempting to twist words and be a dick. If you really think that kiddie diddlers are in the same category as grown people making their own conscious decisions about their life choices, (i.e., actual consent) might I suggest to you some inner reflection.

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There are valid reasons, it's just that you don't think they're valid. And you're not a man, so you can't understand our instinctive response to men who emasculate themselves or let others do it for them. You'd probably just attribute it to "toxic masculinity" the way Uggo does. Mind you, she attributes every perceived negative outcome for women as "toxic masculinity", so this is not exactly a unique case.

You'll have to forgive me. I seem to be a little behind the times about what's happened regarding nicknames. If you'd like to clue me in on exactly who Uggo is, it would be appreciated. Personally, I can't say I recall having ever used the term "toxic masculinity," so you can go pick that fight with the person who did.

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I don't spend a whole bunch of time trying to convince anyone here that my views on male subs are valid. It's irrelevant. But this is the internet and expressing opinions which will annoy each other is par for the course. Pretending these views don't exist or that anyone who expresses them is a bigot is the kind of bullshit character assassination which is the hallmark of the left. And it's incredibly ironic given the progressive view on male subs in here is very much a minority opinion in the real world.

We've been here before. I don't really think you have a good grasp on what is out there in the "real world" in regard to the kink community. The fact is, yes, this is the internet and it gives some people false courage. Most people don't really have the balls to say what they do on the net in front of people in real life.

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That goes both ways. Ye Gods, have you ever noticed the masculine Dom mockery which is a constant fixture in this place? Do you seriously think the meth-heads spouting it would do so in person?

I have to wonder about this. Are you intentionally trying to get your post pulled? You've tried children and illegal drugs. What's next?

One of these days, you're going to seriously get it out of your head that I base what I say on the forums due to gender.

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Oh please. People feel free to mine my profile for what they think is ammunition. It's a waste of time, of course, because I don't give a shit, but Wayward5oul's disingenuous claims are pathetic. And please try and tell me you're suddenly deciding past posts aren't relevant in a discussion, because that shit is constantly trotted out by the progessinazi's in this place.

I'll own what I said. Regarding the OP, I taking posting history into consideration because he's still currently doing it. There's been no moving on here?

I happen to think I'm pretty good about the search feature here about 90% of the time. (Probably because it's antiquated.) The fact that somebody had to try to use a random post from 2006? Before you or I ever showed up here. AND the fact that it was from a screen name Wayward5oul, rather than Waywardsoul? That's some damn luck, right there.

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*drily* Yes, I am somewhat familiar with people who try and use that technique.

Then why do you support it?







Lucylastic -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 10:10:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No... it's reality.

YOUR reality isnt the worlds reality dear.
Even science has recognized for centuries that hermaphrodites have both sets of genitals but there are huge fluctuations in the physical differences, Intersexed, is something maybe you should add to your education.
Dont believe everything you think because your twue way isnt.





Danemora -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 10:13:06 AM)

Oh for fuck sake! You are, without a doubt, the Collarchat version of Haley Joel Osment in the movie "The Sixth Sense." Only instead of seeing dead people, you are the only one who sees some sort of feminist agenda everywhere.

It isn't a feminism thing to feel that a person...male or female...should be able to be submissive if that is what makes them feel happy. It's a human being thing.

Give being one a try sometime




tamaka -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 10:13:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No... it's reality.

YOUR reality isnt the worlds reality dear.
Even science has recognized for centuries that hermaphrodites have both sets of genitals but there are huge fluctuations in the physical differences, Intersexed, is something maybe you should add to your education.
Dont believe everything you think because your twue way isnt.




Taking a problem that exists in 1% of the population and trying to normalize it throughout the greater population where it doesn't exist is not healthy.




Lucylastic -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 10:14:59 AM)

Im not the one calling people out for their kinks, just your intelligence, you wanna exclude people? take the consequences of your ignorance




tamaka -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 10:24:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Im not the one calling people out for their kinks, just your intelligence, you wanna exclude people? take the consequences of your ignorance



Intelligence has never been a problem for me. You want to 'Punish me' with 'Consequences' for my views.... pathetic.




Lucylastic -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/5/2016 10:32:21 AM)

punish? I dont do punishment against anyone online or otherwise, but nice try.

LMAO this isnt kink involved sweetie, no matter how much you attempt to make it about that, I do not use BDSM kinks against people ever.
You on the other hand, think you can give your ignorance as everyone's world view, it aint...

And I would disagree with you, your intelligence, is exactly the issue. You are coming from a place of ignorance, and practically every post speaks to it.
I will not "slag off your sex, nor your orientation.Your ignorance speaks volumes all on its own.
Your "one twue wayism" is fair game.




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