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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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No... i have no desire to be subbier than anyone.

Bullshit

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I edited it and added another point that may help you understand where i'm coming from.

Uh-huh, and I have replied to your edit, it makes no difference.

I know this is probably hard to believe but i don't feel the need to compare myself to others. I am me and i don't 'Rate' myself against other human beings. I outgrew that stuff a while ago. Maybe someday you will understand what i am trying to convey.

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surely each fulfils something in the other. A slave fulfils herself by keeping her Master happy but surely by the same token, what is a Master without a slave to guide and fulfil and at the same time, fulfil himself ?

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Where did i point out that i think my way is the best way exactly?

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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A slave, in my opinion and experience, cannot be self- fulfilled. A slave is fulfilled by her Master.

Just think about that for a minute and you will see why that is simply silly. Everybody enters a relationship in order to fulfill needs.desires they have. To me your opinion is just silly online fantasy crap that ignores the motivations of those involved.

Every sub or slave is in their relationship because they get something they need or want out of it. their purpose is to find what they need or want, and that is the simple truth. You can dress it up all you want, but in the end they re there because they are getting some need/desire fulfilled by being in that relationship.

I mean, i m ALL about pleasing my Fellas, but I don't do it because it pleases them, I do it because it pleases me to please them. If pleasing them did not please me, then I wouldn't do it, and yes that includes doing shit for them I don't actually enjoy. It still gives me pleasure/fulfillment to do those things for them.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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surely each fulfils something in the other. A slave fulfils herself by keeping her Master happy but surely by the same token, what is a Master without a slave to guide and fulfil and at the same time, fulfil himself ?

Well one would have thought that was obvious, but apparently "true" slaves do it purely to fulfill their Masters and get nothing out of it themselves. Well, at least according to some on here.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Where did i point out that i think my way is the best way exactly?

Actually, in almost every post you make dear. You may not see it, but it is there.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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A slave, in my opinion and experience, cannot be self- fulfilled. A slave is fulfilled by her Master.

Just think about that for a minute and you will see why that is simply silly. Everybody enters a relationship in order to fulfill needs.desires they have. To me your opinion is just silly online fantasy crap that ignores the motivations of those involved.

Every sub or slave is in their relationship because they get something they need or want out of it. their purpose is to find what they need or want, and that is the simple truth. You can dress it up all you want, but in the end they re there because they are getting some need/desire fulfilled by being in that relationship.

I mean, i m ALL about pleasing my Fellas, but I don't do it because it pleases them, I do it because it pleases me to please them. If pleasing them did not please me, then I wouldn't do it, and yes that includes doing shit for them I don't actually enjoy. It still gives me pleasure/fulfillment to do those things for them.

I agree with tamaka. These types of slaves (big disclaimer: my personal definition of what a slave is, not "all people who self-identify as slaves") cannot be self-fulfilled. They look for fulfillment from their owners, they look for their identity from their owners. Without it, they're empty vessels, waiting to be filled by their future owner.
That may be hard for you to understand, but it really does exist.

You're right that everybody is in a relationship to get something out of it though. And that applies to these types of slaves as well. It's just that what they get out of it is "having their Master fulfill them".

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Well that question was pretty comprehensively answered by the David Reimer case. An appalling example of malpractice in which an absolute nut of a gender theorist engaged in criminal child abuse to support his theory of gender neutrality. A boy was reassigned as a girl and all the external validation in the world did nothing to persuade him that he was a girl. It ended with his descent into depression - and ultimately suicide.

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The proposals of gender theorists who assert that trans children should be given hormones is nothing less than wholesale unmitigated child abuse. They should be jailed.

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No. It hasn't. And pickup artists get laid. A lot. This offends the delicate sensibilities of feminists, but it's a reality they're just going to have to gain the strength to deal with.

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Evolution is about reproductive success and our psychology doesn't suddenly change because we're no longer living in tribal societies.

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No, people aspire to be actors, not rich nerds. This is why celebrities exist.

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Meh. You don't understand it and you're terrified of the world it implies. A world where the spoils go to the victor and where the strong dominate the weak.

In other words... the real world.

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Life isn't fair. A man will never be the best version of himself on his knees.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Life isn't fair. A man will never be the best version of himself on his knees.

So why doesn't this also apply to women?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Because women are different then men.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Who knows for sure. I guess the most obvious is that we have to open up to receive. : )

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Who knows for sure. I guess the most obvious is that we have to open up to receive. : )

So do guys.

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We have to open to receive to fulfill our biological function of conceiving a child. I don't think guys do that.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

We have to open to receive to fulfill our biological function of conceiving a child. I don't think guys do that.

No, they open to receive to fulfill their biological function of having sex for pleasure and bonding with each other.

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We have to open to receive to fulfill our biological function of conceiving a child. I don't think guys do that.

No, they open to receive to fulfill their biological function of having sex for pleasure and bonding with each other.

Per homosexual activity (for one thing), that happens in many species across nature, of course. But as soon as we use the phrase 'biological function' we have to ask what it means - where it's meant to start and where it's meant to stop.

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You cannot simultaneously be self aware, capable of good judgment in choosing a partner and at the same time be an empty vessel unable to eat dinner without being ordered to.

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It's not hard to understand that there are people without a sense of self who gravitate toward cult leaders. It's simply that it's unhealthy as fuck.

So what happens when your cult leader gets hit by a bus? You need reprogramming and if you don't get it, you wind up being picked up by the next self proclaimed master/abuser. Or living on the street which I would find the better option.

You cannot simultaneously be self aware, capable of good judgment in choosing a partner and at the same time be an empty vessel unable to eat dinner without being ordered to.