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Greatlilbabygirl -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:01:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: But, I do find it irritating when people try to invalidate my relationship with M simply because they view conception as validity point. But nobody has tried to do so. Tamaka did in a round about way. Saying conception was the reason women are "naturally" submissive and implying a dominant woman was unnatural

tamaka -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:02:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: surely each fulfils something in the other. A slave fulfils herself by keeping her Master happy but surely by the same token, what is a Master without a slave to guide and fulfil and at the same time, fulfil himself ? Well one would have thought that was obvious, but apparently "true" slaves do it purely to fulfill their Masters and get nothing out of it themselves. Well, at least according to some on here. They get something out of it but it doesn't come from themselves... it comes from their Master. I disagree You wouldn't know.

Greatlilbabygirl -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:06:17 AM)
Ooooooh, good comeback........not

OsideGirl -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:08:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: But, I do find it irritating when people try to invalidate my relationship with M simply because they view conception as validity point. But nobody has tried to do so. Tamaka did in a round about way. Saying conception was the reason women are "naturally" submissive and implying a dominant woman was unnatural I agree. She used conception as the validity point, so therefore the inability to conceive means that there shouldn't be a relationship.

Danemora -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:09:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: But, I do find it irritating when people try to invalidate my relationship with M simply because they view conception as validity point. But nobody has tried to do so. Tamaka did actually. Being naturally submissive was linked to conception by her. And since Oside cant, what does that make her according to tamaka? Not submissive. And since Oside isnt conceiving, she isnt submissive, and therefore her D/s relationship with her M really isnt valid. Since...you know...she isnt submissive and all. At least according to tamaka anyway

PeonForHer -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:17:36 AM)
quote: They were called enablers up thread Yep, I recall that. Ironically, it prompted a diametrically opposed sort of thought for me. Something that sometimes gives me pause is the question of just how much certain femsubs might 'enable' the most harmful traits in dominant men. I think of the aggression, the competitiveness ... this whole cold world of 'winners' and 'losers' that seems to put so many men in early graves. How many of them must live in a world of battles that they absolutely must win, lest their femsub ditch them in favour of someone 'more Alpha'? I shudder at the thought of all that, but thank my stars that I don't have to be imprisoned in the stereotypically dominant masculine role any more. It doesn't help that I see so many physically unhealthy dominant males around, either. Still, that last is purely anecdotal: dominant males are on the periphery of my life. It's not my world and I have very little interest in it.

heavyblinker -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:25:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Tamaka did actually. Being naturally submissive was linked to conception by her. And since Oside cant, what does that make her according to tamaka? Not submissive. And since Oside isnt conceiving, she isnt submissive, and therefore her D/s relationship with her M really isnt valid. Since...you know...she isnt submissivr. At least according to tamaka anyway I may be wrong, but I think that was just ONE reason she has for believing what she does. There could be other biological aspects that make women more 'naturally' submissive, so maybe Oside has one of those attributes instead. I'm guessing the pileup that has resulted because of her reproduction comments is going to leave us all in suspense over what those other attributes are, however. Apparently sex as human bonding and sex as pleasure aren't good reasons to have sex, though, so I'm pretty sad about that.

Danemora -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:28:03 AM)
Thats just a kind way of saying we're all waiting for another forthcoming shovelful of manure out of the cow's ass to drop [:)]

Greatlilbabygirl -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:33:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Thats just a kind way of saying we're all waiting for another forthcoming shovelful of manure out of the cow's ass to drop [:)] At least cow manure is good for something

Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:39:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora In the case of DES daughters, that change took place in the womb before the child was even born though. It wasnt a later in life change. Now you're quibbling over semantics. Chemical exposure which results in DNA damage doesn't impact the 'designed' criteria. quote: So while the 'design criteria' is that females are designed to host babies, the criteria can be altered in a number of ways. An oddly shaped uterus, reproductive organs tilted off the appropriate axis by even fractions of millimeters, some hormone that should have been turned on in the mother during a certain period of fetal growth that wasnt, etc Individual variations which are the results of gene expression and other exogenous factors. That doesn't impact the concept of design. quote: So there are more reasons than just the crack you made about someone being trans Meh. There's a fair amount of cis-male hatred around the place. Just take a look at Stef. OSideGirl's shitty attitude towards masculine men could come from anywhere, but she's the one who made the statement in the first place and decided not to clarify it with any further information.

Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:40:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick LOL Irony, thy name is Awareness. [:D] When I care what a mental midget thinks, I'll be sure and let you know, Cupcake.

Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:41:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: They were called enablers up thread Yep, I recall that. Ironically, it prompted a diametrically opposed sort of thought for me. Something that sometimes gives me pause is the question of just how much certain femsubs might 'enable' the most harmful traits in dominant men. I think of the aggression, the competitiveness ... this whole cold world of 'winners' and 'losers' that seems to put so many men in early graves. How many of them must live in a world of battles that they absolutely must win, lest their femsub ditch them in favour of someone 'more Alpha'? I shudder at the thought of all that, but thank my stars that I don't have to be imprisoned in the stereotypically dominant masculine role any more. It doesn't help that I see so many physically unhealthy dominant males around, either. Still, that last is purely anecdotal: dominant males are on the periphery of my life. It's not my world and I have very little interest in it. Tell me, does that broken record ever finish?

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:52:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick FR Another open question. For those who find submissive men "weak and pathetic" or a danger to society, well how do you view dominant women? They were called enablers up thread Cool thanks.

Danemora -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:54:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora In the case of DES daughters, that change took place in the womb before the child was even born though. It wasnt a later in life change. Now you're quibbling over semantics. Chemical exposure which results in DNA damage doesn't impact the 'designed' criteria. quote: So while the 'design criteria' is that females are designed to host babies, the criteria can be altered in a number of ways. An oddly shaped uterus, reproductive organs tilted off the appropriate axis by even fractions of millimeters, some hormone that should have been turned on in the mother during a certain period of fetal growth that wasnt, etc Individual variations which are the results of gene expression and other exogenous factors. That doesn't impact the concept of design. quote: So there are more reasons than just the crack you made about someone being trans Meh. There's a fair amount of cis-male hatred around the place. Just take a look at Stef. OSideGirl's shitty attitude towards masculine men could come from anywhere, but she's the one who made the statement in the first place and decided not to clarify it with any further information. You call it quibbling over semantics, but it doesnt make what was any less valid. Its not my fault you made an erroneous statement. And no amount of cis man shaming you read somewhere else negates the error.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:55:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: surely each fulfils something in the other. A slave fulfils herself by keeping her Master happy but surely by the same token, what is a Master without a slave to guide and fulfil and at the same time, fulfil himself ? Well one would have thought that was obvious, but apparently "true" slaves do it purely to fulfill their Masters and get nothing out of it themselves. Well, at least according to some on here. They get something out of it but it doesn't come from themselves... it comes from their Master. I disagree You wouldn't know. yes, I suppose that may well be true. I am more than willing to admit and accept that there is a lot I do not know, however, as I mentioned to UllarsIshtar, I suspect that our disagreement on this particular issue is more of a semantic one based on a bad choice of words. Perhaps "self-fulfilled" was not the right way to say it, but at the moment I can't think of a better way. Sorry.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:58:29 AM)
quote: She used conception as the validity point, so therefore the inability to conceive means that there shouldn't be a relationship. No she did not. She said that the basic biological function of a female (to conceive and bear offspring) is what makes them naturally submissive. No while this is rather obviously bullshit, she did not make any mention of this basic fact or the actual ability to conceive as having any bearing on the validity of any relationship.

Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 11:59:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora You call it quibbling over semantics. That's because you are. quote: Its not my fault you made an erroneous statement. No, you're trying to reinvent it as a mistake, but it's not. You continuing to lie about it isn't going to change a goddamn thing. quote: And no amount of cis man shaming you read somewhere else negates the error I didn't say somewhere else, I said here. Is English your second language?

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 12:02:03 PM)
quote: Being naturally submissive was linked to conception by her. No, not at all. She linked the basic biological function of a female (of just about every species - I think there are some sea horses that do it the other way round) to submissiveness. OsideGirl's inability to conceive does not alter the basic biological function of a female human (to conceive and bear children). In fact, her inability to fulfill this basic biological function has no bearing on the issue at all.

Danemora -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 12:03:29 PM)
Throwing a hissy fit over making an error doesnt make what you said right either, homie. Keep trying though

OsideGirl -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (11/8/2016 12:08:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: She used conception as the validity point, so therefore the inability to conceive means that there shouldn't be a relationship. No she did not. She said that the basic biological function of a female (to conceive and bear offspring) is what makes them naturally submissive. No while this is rather obviously bullshit, she did not make any mention of this basic fact or the actual ability to conceive as having any bearing on the validity of any relationship. We'll have to disagree on that. If I don't possess the ability to conceive, I'm not submissive. If I'm not submissive, I can't be in a D/s relationship. quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We have to open to receive to fulfill our biological function of conceiving a child. I don't think guys do that. She's absolutely entitled to her opinion. Just as everyone else is entitled to disagree with her opinions.

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